DeathDonkey
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Wanted to comment on the whole "know in advance how you might bluff in this spot so you keep your frequencies reasonable" etc. I play a lot of triple draw and its a very common river spot. One GREAT thing about doing your homework beforehand and being 100% confident that your strategy will make money is when you run bad in that spot for awhile you are way less likely to tilt and make a poor adjustment.
I see decent players in triple draw all the time like one time check behind with a straight (worst possible hand basically) and lose the pot, and then an hour later they bluff a pair of twos or something cuz they are tilted and tired of catching a poor river card. It would be way way better to bluff the straight and check the twos but they don't have a cohesive strategy in mind, they are just reacting to the cards and recent history and stuff and letting it affect them too much.
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Haha I played on Royal Vegas back when I was a sophomore in college as well (circa '03). I was so focused on sports back then that I just played randomly online and then gave it up. Oh how things could have been different for me if I was lucky enough to find 2p2 back then...
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Emil
Re: PLO Equity simulations with pro poker tools.
Could you please suggest a starting point or a methodology for building up my familiarity with common spots?
Begin to realize trends. Some commons spots in PLO:
Aces + nfd against two pair on non straight board is generally close to a coinflip
Flush draw against a naked wrap is generally a 2:1 favorite
Aces + nfd against a set is generally a 2:1 dog
Wrap + flush draw against a set is a coinflip
You begin to see trends like these and more importantly realize that if you get it allin with the biggest flush draw, you're rarely ever in terrible shape.
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DiggerTheDog
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Thanks emil.
I am a 100bb NLHE player but I have tried to learn PLO as a SSer ( I dont rathole unless I get close to 100bb.)
And have had serious problems being profitable.
Are you aware of any good articles or rules of thumb by elite cap plo players?
Have you tried cap PLO or talked to any good cap PLO players like Harrington25?
How do you calculate if a game is beatable with respect to 20-50bb PLO with respect to the rake?
Sorry if this is too much
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DiggerTheDog
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Given say you are generally having tones of 60/40 55/45 situations - umm if you say only get the right side of the equation a certain % above 50% of the time - there has to be a point at which you cant reasonable expect to beat the rake at some micro ssplo games if that makes sense.
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whitelime
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Given say you are generally having tones of 60/40 55/45 situations - umm if you say only get the right side of the equation a certain % above 50% of the time - there has to be a point at which you cant reasonable expect to beat the rake at some micro ssplo games if that makes sense.
You can always beat the rake at PLO on any major internet site at any stakes. It's pretty small compared to the edge you can have. Also, you make money in pots that don't get to showdown also.
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whitelime
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Thanks emil.
I am a 100bb NLHE player but I have tried to learn PLO as a SSer ( I dont rathole unless I get close to 100bb.)
And have had serious problems being profitable.
Are you aware of any good articles or rules of thumb by elite cap plo players?
Have you tried cap PLO or talked to any good cap PLO players like Harrington25?
How do you calculate if a game is beatable with respect to 20-50bb PLO with respect to the rake?
Sorry if this is too much
I've played a bit of cap plo but mostly have played 100 bb+. There aren't any easy rule of thumbs or anything like that. If poker were that simple, everyone would be playing it. I think any of the series we have on DC should give you a good start. The best approach is generally to play a bit, study a bit, discuss a bit, repeat. My best PLO series is probably limeaid plo.
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talkinghoss
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Emil,
First off, I think you and MagicNinja are beyond fantastic when it comes to PLO videos.
Couple of questions...
What is the best way about learning PLO math.
What is the most important math factor in PLO.
If you had to decide to focus on one thing in your PLO game, what would it be ?
What was the most important thing you learned about PLO from Phil/
Lastly what would you say is the biggest, most exploitable leak players have in micro PLO.
Thank you a ton in advance!
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whitelime
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The best approach to learning the math is generally to just run sims or look at your HEM for allin equity by street anytime you get allin.
Other than the basic math you need to know to be good at poker like calculating pot odds and such, the other math you'd want to know is probably just knowing approx all-in equities in common situations.
It's hard to narrow it down to one thing. I'd probably say knowing when to be aggressive and when to give up on bluffs/barrels is a really important skill.
Phil definitely thought me to think outside the box in a lot of common situations where most players would just take the standard route.
Again, it's hard to narrow it down to one specific leak, but I'd go with check-calling too much with weak hands/draws which you can exploit by barreling aggressively.
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Hey Emil,
Nice story.
Do you think your edge in PLO vs a donk can be bigger as vs a donk in NLHE. I only play NLHU and I was thinking about learning PLO (HU). But because all the equities are so close in PLO it's hard for me to think that you could have a bigger edge in PLO. I would like to hear your opinion about this.
And what series would you recommend for a beginning PLO player.
Is it true you need more buyins bankroll wise for PLO? If so, how many is optimal if it is your profession.
Thanks in advance
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Hi Emil,
thanks for the excellent video. You mentioned you always check for equities per street in Holdem Manager once you have been AI in one hand.
I tried to find the feature within HM but couldnt find it.
Could you let me know where to find that feature.
Thanks in advance
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Hi Emil,
thanks for the excellent video. You mentioned you always check for equities per street in Holdem Manager once you have been AI in one hand.
I tried to find the feature within HM but couldnt find it.
Could you let me know where to find that feature.
Thanks in advance
Did you mean the replayer?!
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