Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by danzasmack (Micro/Small Stakes)

always wanred to say first, but wont do it...

always wanred to say first, but wont do it...

Thanks for watching! I think this is a very important topic for micro hu (if you are game selecting well)

"It's a gentlemen's game" überlol

Anyway, thanks for putting some emphasis on the c/r-ing, because those "passive pre, aggressive postflop"-type of players are really common at my normal limits (8/16-10/20). Still, I find myself c/r-ing way too much and not stabbing enough, so this episode was really eye-opening for me.

"It's a gentlemen's game" überlol

lol i know right? Chuck is hilarious

Totally a true story. I was so confused when the guy said it. Especially because I was 17 and playing stud hi in AC.

I don't agree with the fact that you should be donking or c/f most of the time and rarely c/c'ing.

Take the first hand for instance (43 on a 45J,T,2 board where you bet, bet, b/f). Chuck you say that you don't like check/calling because you won't be in comfortable spots. Well in this hand there you are on the river and you're considering check/folding (pretty awful line imo) and hypnotic ends up bet/folding with a hand that is really not good enough to value bet. The way I see it check/calling down from the flop is clearly better because in a pot this small protecting your hand doesn't really have much value and if you bet you're not going to have great equity vs the range he's going to continue with, whereas by checking you keep his range wide and you don't need to induce bluffs that often for this line to be more profitable.

Hey guys, I know I'm a little late to the party (I mean...first) here. First of all, this was a great episode - great topic choice as this villain type is super common. And to be honest they drive me crazy since my innate TAG feels that the mere fact that they limp should guarantee I win.

Sense of entitlement problems aside, I do have a question. I'm getting a little better at taking advantage of spots where I should donk, but I find that this villain type is often very happy to (essentially) float me with a large part of his range (even stuff that 'shouldn't' call). I'm trying to adjust to this, but it is challenging to know when I should fire again on the turn, especially if I'm unimproved.

What would you recommend? Should I look to fire two, and possibly three, barrels more often with my bluffs? Should I screwplay the turn (or even the river) more often with my strong hands? Should I donk the flop a little more selectively?

PH, I think u should watch the video again (and ep 3) because there are little answers throughout the video, and it is not easy to address the whole issue in one reply.

But the short answer is: If villain is just going to float the flop and fold turn, then certainly you should barrel more. If villain is going to river with almost anything, then you should vbet him to death. If villain is going to bluff you, then you should give him as much rope as possible (either by checking or betting)

The problem, of course is that the third scenario is not exclusive from the other two, how to identify villain's true type (especially if he's running good) and how to you balance your own play.

At the end of the day, in small pots it's a guessing game where any mistake you make is pretty significant. Other than what is "correct in a vaccuum", you need to force decision on your opponent so you can make a good plan of your play in the future. Dunno if my rambling makes sense but I guess the more you play in these spots you'll get better.

chkmyriver i think the main issue I have with your c/c line is summed up in pygmyhero's post.

Again, we're not saying that the only line is to bet or c/f the flop, it's just more often than not you should be considering one of them 2.

Saying bottom pair no kicker OOP is an OK spot to c/c I think isn't that bad. It's certainly about the strength of hand you want to be c/c'ing with. @ the same time donking board textures like that is good.

Also, I'd say that c/c c/c c/c oop with 34 on that flop and random turn/river is most likely a losing play in the long run vs. this player type.

Also, I'd say that c/c c/c c/c oop with 34 on that flop and random turn/river is most likely a losing play in the long run vs. this player type.

Yeah I agree that calling 3 streets vs a loose passive isn't great, I was mostly thinking about the times where we induce less than 3 bets, so maybe we can consider a mix of c/c c/f.

I still think though that if you bet flop/turn then river is a check/call and it's not close at all. Basically if you take this line it's because you think your opponent will call you very light (any two on flop, gutshot+ on turn), and then when the river bricks off (prefect card for you, you obv have higher equity vs his range on this river than on the turn), you're going to be good a decent amount of the time but most of the stuff you beat has no showdown value so you can't really value bet, and he doesn't need to be bluffing very often for c/c > c/f (again because if we dont think Villain gets to the river with a very wide range then c/c is better than betting on previous streets) (and just because the guy has been passive for 40 hands doesn't mean he'll never bluff, you really need a huge read to fold here vs a bad player).

The pot is relatively small - only 5bbs when he bets. I'd say that's a pretty high bluff frequency for a seemingly lp player. Keep in mind better hands are also STILL in his range when we get to the river. It's not like check and hope be bluffs and when we c/c we are good and the rest of the time it goes check check and we lose or win.

I think c/f'ing here is good. I think c/c'ing here sometimes is fine and I will do it a lot early in a session. I think always c/c'ing here is bad. You should be c/c'ing here sometimes as well as c/f'ing.