Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by WiltOnTilt (Mid Stakes)

Anyone else get sad about the little red LHE thing on this vid

It's not actually LHE, it's NLHE
I'm pretty sure when I downloaded it first thing this morning it said NLHE, I'm not sure why it got switched...?

UGHHH I keep getting excited to see new LHE vids, and you pull the carpet from under my feet.

WoT+NLHE>>>> any LHE-vid anyway, so i don't get your point?!

good job ron! u too aaron

Great video as always from Wilt. The last hand with QJ was pretty sick, lots of good discussion there. And the talk about bet sizing and planning for future streets was really good too, that was one of the major themes in the NL grinder series and I got a lot out of that. But it's easy to forget to think about it enough and get yourself into bad spots when you're playing a lot of tables.

Wilt, On the QJ hand. Your thinking there is a possibility of 76. Do you really think 76s is in his pf range vs. the nit's open??

I think when considering a vb on the river after his check, we have to think a lot about what hands fit into his decent hands that will c/c and will still make a pf call.

I think there are a ton of made hands on this river that are planning to crai and really no 7x or Jx hands. The only thing I see clear here is JTs that makes a call pf and takes this postflop line.


Great video! Thanks!
-slug

Is QJ really too good to check back on a 3 flush, paired board? I know picking up thin value really makes a difference to a win rate but I think villain would have to be pretty passive or spewey to check call with worse than a split?

Great vid btw, really enjoy this mentor format (Y)

against a good player, the QJ is a check behind on the river.

against some random guy at 1/2nl we have little info about, i'm going for value there just because most people are not capable of putting the pieces together to go for a river value c/r in that spot...at least i'm not giving them credit for that, at 1/2nl, until proven otherwise.

I should have been more clear about that. i agree slug there aren't a ton of worse hands he can call with, but once he checks my default is to not give villain credit for a flush or a boat without more info... and we can give him a chance to make a mistake with trips or worse straight (again, absent of solid reads if he can even show up w/ those hands pf).

WoT

In the QJ hand, what would be the correct plan for villain on the turn?

i agree with aaron. to c/r the riv on this board is a very advanced play for these stakes. i think not going for some value in this spot is losing money against many of the idiots you'll come across.

as for the turn play, the more i think about it the more i'm wondering if raising the turn would be better than calling. regardless of my river action, i think his most likely hands for donking the flop, then leading the turn for that amount are made hands, sets and two pair mostly. correct me if someone sees different, but i just don't see a lot of players donking with a flush draw in this spot, especially a tag reg for the same reason they lead with sets and two pair. leading traps me in the pot whereas going for a c/r gives them some more fold equity. so if he turns a flush its rare imo, which makes me consider raising a bit more. thoughts?

i like the hmm-hmm from LinkWood, it sounds like a rapsong / beatboxer

dowloading now... why is the video tagged as micro stakes tho?

as for the turn play, the more i think about it the more i'm wondering if raising the turn would be better than calling. regardless of my river action, i think his most likely hands for donking the flop, then leading the turn for that amount are made hands, sets and two pair mostly. correct me if someone sees different, but i just don't see a lot of players donking with a flush draw in this spot, especially a tag reg for the same reason they lead with sets and two pair. leading traps me in the pot whereas going for a c/r gives them some more fold equity. so if he turns a flush its rare imo, which makes me consider raising a bit more. thoughts?

I was thinking about this hand away from the computer and I came back to post that you should raise the turn in that spot, but you stole my idea!

My first impression when he donked the flop is that he had 2-pair or a set. Then when the flush/straight comes and he makes a relatively weak bet, I think WiltOnTilt is correct in his assumption that's it's a blocker bet. He doesn't want to check to give you room to bluff or bet big and take control of the hand, but at the same time he doesn't want to inflate a pot with a hand that's not a flush/straight on that board.

I like a small raise to like $65 or something to get value from sets without inflating our hand too much. He'll call with a sets and most two pairs because a) he's a bit tilted that he probably had the best hand on the flop but got "sucked out on" on the turn, b) he probably puts you on a flush so he thinks he has good implied odds if he boats up on the river. If he has a flush, most of the time he'll just call anyway and if he re-raises then we can comfortably fold.

Assuming we raise turn and he calls, if he leads the river for like $100 given that river I think we can also fold considering he probably perceives our hand as being stronger than it is. He is never betting there with anything less than a flush so it's an easy laydown. Overall I think a small raise on the turn there is good so we can take control of the hand a little and see where we're at without risking too much. While we are overrepping our hand a little bit, there is still value to be had and since our hand looks so strong, he's very unlikely to bluff or valuecut himself on any rivers so we can fold if he leads out the river strong. And if he checks river, we can prolly check behind as he could easily have a like a J/Q high flush that didn't want to get it in on the turn, let alone a boat.

Looks like a very good vid guys. One thing that would be nice is for hero to use the 4 color deck in the future.

31:00 - QQ OTB vs UTG open and UTG+1 3bet (you advised folding)

Say UTG is instead laggy and UTG+1 is good enough to realize that and 3bet him a bit wider than normal, so we are going to continue with QQ. But if we 4bet, it's going to look so strong to them that we probably will not be getting any value from it if called since only AK/AA/KK will continue.

I'm really not thrilled with 4betting, but at the same time, I don't like the idea of flatting and letting UTG close the action and play a wider range for implied odds(PP's etc) 3-way. Which do you think is better this time: 4bet or flat?

Also, what if we and the laggy UTG player are deeper (not too deep though,150bbs), so it's a very easy call with implied odds hands if we flat. 4bet/fold seems gross vs them, 4bet/call is gross, flatting seems best but doesn't seem great either. How do you suggest playing in a situation like this?

xerocat- i agree that in general i'd prefer flatting the QQ in both scenarios (100bb and 150bb) without some extra consideration such as recent history with one of the two players. as i mentioned in the video, it does sorta suck having our hand somewhat face up postflop, but it also sucks putting ourselves in a situation (by 4betting) where it's very difficult for us to be in a favorable mathematical situation, unless we have some very aggressive preflop history with one or both players.

WoT

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Hey Wilt just watched your video generally i enjoyed it but the last hand (QJs) i was just shocked... you made all the right hand reading but advised just the opposite action....

1.
The flop T97 (2 tone) you said that donking into 2 people one of then with 10 PFR on this type of flop means strength. I agree 100% but then why the heck we are calling having only 3 clean outs and a tight guy after us who can easily have set of tens himself???
2. We hit our second perfect card you said that his turn bet size means "i have to bet but don't want to" which i also 100% agree but why then we are just calling and not raising ???? What are we afraid of ? If we raise say to 65 he will call w sets straights and probably shove flushes.
3. After our turn raise we have pretty easy river action this river we will check behind\call small river bets and fold all river bets over half of the pot.

At least we were putting money when we were ahead.

May be I don't get smthing but imo with given comment of turn bet call is bad you should raise....

Pls comment my post TY.

Nice job WOT. I really enjoy the way you examine different scenarios that could have occurred. Please keep it up, it's really helpful and one of the my favourite parts of your video's.

Hey Wilt just watched your video generally i enjoyed it but the last hand (QJs) i was just shocked... you made all the right hand reading but advised just the opposite action....

1.
The flop T97 (2 tone) you said that donking into 2 people one of then with 10 PFR on this type of flop means strength. I agree 100% but then why the heck we are calling having only 3 clean outs and a tight guy after us who can easily have set of tens himself???
2. We hit our second perfect card you said that his turn bet size means "i have to bet but don't want to" which i also 100% agree but why then we are just calling and not raising ???? What are we afraid of ? If we raise say to 65 he will call w sets straights and probably shove flushes.
3. After our turn raise we have pretty easy river action this river we will check behind\call small river bets and fold all river bets over half of the pot.

At least we were putting money when we were ahead.

May be I don't get smthing but imo with given comment of turn bet call is bad you should raise....

Pls comment my post TY.

all of those reads were generalities. they happened to be correct this time (and i think they will, most of the time) but as my buddy krantz always says "people do stupid things sometimes." I think the flop call is fine as long as we feel like we can make good decisions on the various turns.

I do agree that a turn raise would have probably been best (vs his exact hand). It's something I probably didn't give enough consideration to at the time of recording, but now I agree it might have been good. It's an interesting spot because there are very few situations in nlhe where it is best to over represent your hand when you have a MADE HAND (ie, not a bluff/semibluff). This situation happens to be one of them we could consider doing that.

If he does have air or some random hand he's bluffing with, calling the turn will maximize value vs those hands. Calling also means we must have the best hand much, much less often than we would by raising. Think about the amount of $ we risk/reward by raising the turn vs calling and our equity when we raise and are behind vs raising when we are ahead. Depending on how much of his range is composed of flushes vs sets, it's quite possible that raising would be -EV whereas calling would be +EV. In this instance it would have worked out, but it's tough to say what the answer would be w/o having a better grasp on his range. Remember, we didn't have THAT solid of a read on the guy, which is why I advised playing the hand the way we did (except bet/folding the river).

WoT