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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by Joe Tall (Micro/Small Stakes)

2: folds (1)
3: raise to 3 shut down (1)
4: check back (2)
5: raise-ship (1)
6: ship (1)
7: check (1)
8: either raise to 5 or call get (1)
9: ship (1)
10: raise to 3.75 (1)
11: call planning to fold (1)
12: check back (2)
13: call (1)
14: call (1)
15: raise (1)
16: bet 5 (1)
17: bet 12 (2)
18: call (1)
19: bet 4 (1)
20: call (1)
21: fold (1)
22: ship (1)
23: raise 2.25 (1)
24: bet 4 (1)
25: check (1)
26: fold (1)
27: check-call/fold (2)

Results:
http://www.surveymonkey.com/sr.aspx?sm=GzhT75XHeKqmfldbtjjus2PfCnW_2fyP8VDSGAYzDPQdE_3d

51:30 T9 hand, turn

We don't need to make the nuts on the river to win the pot. $1 bet often means a weak hand or draw. We can steal the pot on the river sometimes, and it doesn't need to be very often to make the turn call +EV.

the JJ hand:
omg, it was soooo obv he has a weak king on the river by betting 2$... come on guys... he is never value betting thin a 9 here!!! dont you think? did you ever seen a shorty doing that?

51:30 T9 hand, turn

We don't need to make the nuts on the river to win the pot. $1 bet often means a weak hand or draw. We can steal the pot on the river sometimes, and it doesn't need to be very often to make the turn call +EV.

Not with the flush draw on the a flop, I have to agree w/Dan there.

Joe,

I really love the series and I think the most effective learning tool at deuces cracked is your quiz. Do you think it would be possible for all instructors doing a hand history review videos to make a quiz for their videos too? There doesn't need to be a prize, just an overview of the hands would be nice.

Thanks,
Poon

Joe,

I really love the series and I think the most effective learning tool at deuces cracked is your quiz. Do you think it would be possible for all instructors doing a hand history review videos to make a quiz for their videos too? There doesn't need to be a prize, just an overview of the hands would be nice.

Thanks,
Poon

The amount of work that goes into this quizzes and this series is nearly 5x the normal work load. This would make DC unaffordable and impossible to maintain quality given the task at hand.

The amount of work that goes into this quizzes and this series is nearly 5x the normal work load. This would make DC unaffordable and impossible to maintain quality given the task at hand.

Jason's idea not looking to sood now? haha

this is like the kindergarden of poker videos.

Hand #1: I've been getting told throughout this series to loosen up and not to fold trashy hands OOP, we're supposed to "play some poker guys", now I finally change my answer and NOW we're supposed to fold and this isn't even a full raise AND we are in position?

This series tilts me sometimes...

Hand #1: I've been getting told throughout this series to loosen up and not to fold trashy hands OOP, we're supposed to "play some poker guys", now I finally change my answer and NOW we're supposed to fold and this isn't even a full raise AND we are in position?

This series tilts me sometimes...

I was thinking the exact same thing.

On the pocket fives hand where we are considering barrelling the turn, wasn't there a read that the guy was loose-passive? It wasn't mentioned in the really in the video, but to me that was why I wouldn't fire that second barrell. This is the question I thought about for a really long time, but I ultimately picked wrong, because I figured this guy is calling us with any piece he has and an ace probably can't even be taken out of his range completely.

The T9dd hand we can just ship the river over a bet and expect his entire stack when he has a 9+we can raise a 1-2$ donk+we can spike a T/9 so I think the 1$ call is very good.

For the 44 hand what do you think of barrelling bigger then shoving river?

The T9dd hand we can just ship the river over a bet and expect his entire stack when he has a 9+we can raise a 1-2$ donk+we can spike a T/9 so I think the 1$ call is very good.

Consider doing some math on the likelihood of that best case scenario:

The chances of hitting a clean 8 are 3/46, and the chances of him also having a 9 are... well I don't know exactly, but I'd say no better than 1/5. So its super super rare that that event will happen. Hitting a T/9 is more likely, but we can't be sure that its good.

I think the decision is close, but the results as played certainly might skew your thinking towards call.

Folding J3s is so bad. We're in position against a fish, who we can outplay a ton postflop, and stacks are good. So we should at least be calling, but raising is by far the best play as he folds a decent amount PF and then when he does call he's generally going to play fit or fold on the flop so we can take it down a lot with a c-bet. FWIW I wouldn't even fold 32o in this spot.

ZOMG YOU TIMED OUT WITH THE AA HAND? WTF???????????? After all of this FPS, you TIMED OUT? lol...

Pretty disappointed with this episode. This was the first episode that I can say that I still disagree with what the coach felt was the correct answer on many questions. Really surprising because DJ is usually so good, idk maybe like he said it's been so long since he's played these games that he's out of touch with how they play.

Everyone has to remember that there are multiple ways to play. Someone may do something differently, but it doesn't mean it's necessarily wrong.

Pretty disappointed with this episode. This was the first episode that I can say that I still disagree with what the coach felt was the correct answer on many questions. Really surprising because DJ is usually so good, idk maybe like he said it's been so long since he's played these games that he's out of touch with how they play.

So true.
Really great videos in this series so far but this one kind of sucks.

Pretty disappointed with this episode. This was the first episode that I can say that I still disagree with what the coach felt was the correct answer on many questions. Really surprising because DJ is usually so good, idk maybe like he said it's been so long since he's played these games that he's out of touch with how they play.

Sorry to hear you feel that way. I haven't played nl50 in a long time, but even so I'm fairly confident that most of my answers/suggestions are solid. The tendencies of your opponents can only change so much from stake to stake, and solid poker theory is always correct.

I'd be happy to hear some specific examples of things you thought were misguided though, so that we can discuss them further.

On the pocket fives hand where we are considering barrelling the turn, wasn't there a read that the guy was loose-passive? It wasn't mentioned in the really in the video, but to me that was why I wouldn't fire that second barrell. This is the question I thought about for a really long time, but I ultimately picked wrong, because I figured this guy is calling us with any piece he has and an ace probably can't even be taken out of his range completely.

I also picked check but I had another reason for that.
The pot was $15 and you had the options to bet $5 or $12. 5 is way too low but 12 is too much in my opinion. Villain has a stack of 25 if I remember correct. So when we bet 12 we give us good odds to call a shove --> 13:39 = 1:3. 25% of the time we have to win this hand to be breakeven. But we cant call because we have 4th pair, no draw and Villain is passive.
And now I'm asking myself: Why do we bluff the turn so big? Betting 8 would be so much better because we are playing bet/fold anyway.


Then #1. We are in position against a fullstacked player who minraises. I guess I would raise here any 2 cards. Most of the times we win preflop and when he calls we're making our continuation bet and he will fold a lot. Don't let them minraise you and getting away with it.


And finally there were 2 possible squeeze spots with 9 10 and 3 5 out of position. In 1 you can call or squeeze in my opinion, just folding is wrong.
In 2 I guess calling can't be a good play with this hand but the other 2 options are ok.
Of course you can't squeeze all the time. But in my opinion squeezing isn't wrong in these situations.

I meant 9 10 of course but it doesn't matter.

Last hand #27:
I really don't think check-call/fold is the best answer. The flop is drawy and Villain can barrel so many cards on the turn. Basically every overcard to the board + every flush card. Plus he is in position, could take a free river as well, improve to a better hand or bluff a good card.
With a check-call we bring us in a very difficult spot oop and I doubt we can play perfect on turn and river and he also can us barrel from the best hand a good amount of the time.

That's why I like the option check-raise/fold. We are turning our hand into a bluff I know that. But it shows a lot of strength to c/r into (original) 2 players and Villain will have a hard time to continue even with overpairs. He will fold all his overcards stuff like KQ, AJ, AT... which isn't bad.

The amount of work that goes into this quizzes and this series is nearly 5x the normal work load. This would make DC unaffordable and impossible to maintain quality given the task at hand.

That is a bummer. I want to join the crowd in thanking you for making this series possible, though! Really appreciated.

Hopefully you'll find a easier/automatic way to do the questions and scoring in the future so we can have more of these kinds of semi-interactive shows. They give so much more to the audience.

I also picked check but I had another reason for that.
The pot was $15 and you had the options to bet $5 or $12. 5 is way too low but 12 is too much in my opinion. Villain has a stack of 25 if I remember correct. So when we bet 12 we give us good odds to call a shove --> 13:39 = 1:3. 25% of the time we have to win this hand to be breakeven

I did the math wrong.
If we bet $12 and Villain goes All-In for another $14 (he has a $26 stack left) it looks like this:
We have to call 14, pot would be $53 --> 14:53 = 1:3.79 = 20.89%
We just have to win every 5th time.
So we really shouldn't give us that great odds when our plan is to bet/fold. And that's the reason I didn't pick "bet $12" as my answer. Most of the time I would bet but just something like $7.50-9.
The other option "bet $5" was also kind of bad in my opinion. My play in this situation is betting but I couldn't take it as my answer because of the betsize....


And another hand (sorry )
Question #6
We have JJ and the board is 4 5 K 9 5
I really can't understand why we should shove the river. He maybe call with a 9 but that's it. Against all other hands we gain nothing and lose another $5.
Btw I don't understand the turn ship either.

Sorry to hear you feel that way. I haven't played nl50 in a long time, but even so I'm fairly confident that most of my answers/suggestions are solid. The tendencies of your opponents can only change so much from stake to stake, and solid poker theory is always correct.

I'd be happy to hear some specific examples of things you thought were misguided though, so that we can discuss them further.

I don't think that your suggestions are bad or completely off base, especially vs. competent opponents. That said I'm not sure you remember just how poorly your typical micro stakes donk plays. Specifically the following questions I disagree with.

2> We have J 3 HU against a minraise from a guy with less than a full stack. I don't think our hand matters much here, we have position and we're way better than this guy. I mean the guy minbet and folded the flop.

4> We have JJ on a flop of K54 vs. a short stack. I think this is a very easy value bet. These guys love their call button, we can get value from any pocket pair,any 4, any 5, 76, 87, and probably Ax. Until shown otherwise I assume everyone is LP and checking hoping he's going to start bluffing or value betting thin doesn't coincide with what I expect LP players to do.

5> Raising can't be too bad since he's short but I don't expect him to be bluffing or value betting thin very often. But since our flop check was done with the intention of getting him to bluff I can't see folding so calling seems like the best play.

6> For the same reasons as question #5 I don't like raising this, also his smallish bet tells me he isn't worried about us calling. If you think he's folding worse on the flop why would he stack off with worse on the river.

20> T 9 I think calling and 3betting are both fine, my personal preference would be to 3bet. I find it easier to play marginal hands OOP if I have the initiative.

21> I think raising this turn is better than folding. A guy makes a 1/5 pot bet on a 3 str8 2 flush board, if he had a hand he would bet more to protect it.

24> we have 44 and you suggest betting 4 into a 5.50 pot. On this board I don't think we need to bet big, I think $2 does the same job that $4 does.
Would have actually preferred $3 but that wasn't an option.

26> We can squeeze ATC here. That we actually have a little bit of a hand makes this too good to pass up imo. Most likely scenario is they both fold and we scoop, second most likely scenario is the TAG CO folds and we get the fish all to ourselves IP.

27> I like donking here and taking it down. If we get action it's simple we fold, all we have is 2cd pair no kicker. I don't think a TAG is going to cbet bluff that board very often so I really dislike ch/call. Mostly I think it missed his range and he's going to check it back and there are a ton of bad turn cards.

2nd nut 6-card straight no good sir.

No answers?
0 points for squeezing in #20 and #26?

No answers?
0 points for squeezing in #20 and #26?

The answers to the quiz are listed/posted as the first reply in this thread.

I saw that.
I meant answers to the comments.

I don't really know much about the 3betting dynamic at 50nl, but I'd assume there isn't much folding involved? If thats the case, 3betting hands like T9s and 53s oop will often get you into some trouble. However, if most folks fold too much, then yes that would be a good option.

I'm confused on the T9 of diamonds hand. Are you sure you don't have correct implied odds to call the turn? Because by my math you only need to win like $7 more (a pot sized bet) than what's already there for it to be correct to call and given that he bet on the previous street, it's likely he'll bet again, and then you can raise to make sure $7 goes in if needed, or just bet it yourself if he checks. I doubt he's folding a queen except to a substantial overbet, but maybe I'm wrong. Was this a decent player or a fish?

I'm confused on the T9 of diamonds hand. Are you sure you don't have correct implied odds to call the turn? Because by my math you only need to win like $7 more (a pot sized bet) than what's already there for it to be correct to call and given that he bet on the previous street, it's likely he'll bet again, and then you can raise to make sure $7 goes in if needed, or just bet it yourself if he checks. I doubt he's folding a queen except to a substantial overbet, but maybe I'm wrong. Was this a decent player or a fish?

If only it were that simple.
1) Theres still a dude behind us who could raise us out (unlikely, but a possibility that needs to be factored in)
2) There are possibly some reverse implied odds involved if we hit a T or 9 and pay off a better hand
3) Even getting paid a PSB is not as likely as we'd like since our out will put a 4-straight on board.

That being said, if we think we can take the pot away on a lot of river cards, and if we think T/9 are actually decent outs, we can call the turn (or even raise!) and justify it reasonably well. I'm still not super excited about playing the hand past the turn but I think its probably a 50/50 proposition. The main point is that this situation is more complex than a simple implied odds calculation and should be analyzed accordingly.