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KRANTZ and WiltOnTilt close another season of Pr1nnyraiding. In this episode they review the play of both WiltOnTilt and KRANTZ in two separate heads up matches.
KRANTZ and WiltOnTilt are back as we do some more Pr1nnyraiding. This season we move up to the midstakes of HU NLHE and take on a whole new identity of aggression and dominance.
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I was Krantz' opponent.
I also made a video and it was pretty cool to watch side by side. We had a lot of similar thoughts on situations and I was glad to hear his and WoT's insight.
I def. agree I should have A) stopped opening 100% buttons B) called more 3bets; or C) started 4 bet bluffing earlier in the match.
I prob. should have gone with option A > B > C cause going into the match I did not want to get in pre flop wars w/ him.
Personally I think the TT vs JJ hand in futher reflection is really standard (especially against Krantz, who I know gets crazier late in vids
) but I was slightly annoyed with myself cause I went against my strat of not 4 betting him.
Obviously if I don't 4bet air then I may not get him to play back at me as often when I pick up big hands and do 4bet, but I wasn't really worried about that in this match...once we got to the end though I decided to stop being a puss and the hands played as they did.
I thought the A9 hand was really interesting as well. I do think my flop range is narrow however I would 3bet small just cause that's pretty much how I always play 3bet pots. Granted this may not be good against you, or as I get deeper, as it very well may increase your floats etc., but once I got to the turn I was praying you'd check/ship and then got really confused when you c/r min. IMO I'm peeling there getting that price with any pair + draw I have cause I'm getting such a ridic price and your line is just really really odd. I do like it for the times I spaz shove, but given that I think c/r min is normally such a strong line from a weak player, and you're the exact opposite of that I was really befuddled by it and decided to go into a call/call mode.
I almost checked river just to see what you had but then figured I'd get to see anyways once the vid was released / after the sesh.
On the 89xQ board where I c/r your 64s delayed Cbet I had KT. I think that was pretty standard, given I assume you cbet all the big straight draws like JT QJ QT J7 since it's a draw you wanna build a pot with. Once you bet the turn I put you on A) Qx (given you were opening 100% buttons you def could just have a naked Q that picked up top pair and bet, and my line looks strong and I should get you off that hand by the river) that wouldn't bet flop but would bet/call turn and then fold to a bet which was gonna be my line if you called, or a delayed cbet and I decided to just c/r to get you off whatever that happened to be.
I gotta run to class but can post thoughts on some other hands, or my actual hand if asked.
GG and it was fun.
Nice video, lots of interesting spots.
FWIW, "DrömkÃ¥ken" in swedish is pronounced [drœ̞mkoËken] (and is a horrible, horrible movie).
Fantastic series!
Krantz, just wondering, you made the comment that there were some attributes that you would not have time to cover in this series, have you thought out exactly what those are? It might be interesting to come up with counters of our own, something to do until Pr1nnyraiding S3 ![]()
Awesome, swedish in this video. ![]()
Pretty good pronounciation actually, it's just the å's and ö's that need some work. The å was better though.
Oh yea, and the hand I had 8s8x vs your AK my thought process was this:
I had been pretty nitty OOP at this point and hadn't flatted often, so once I c/c flop you're either gonna shut down with your air or bet turn and I'm just gonna fold. Knowing this, and knowing that you are tough OOP, I thought best thing to do on that turn (which admittingly isn't necc. a great card for you to barrel, however it was still early in match and I wasn't positive of your dbl barrel freq) I thought turning my hand into a bluff and bombing turn and river was my best plan of action.
I would lead turn with QT AT KJ and any floosh simply cause I do think it gets checked back a lot and since I think those hands are in my range I felt the best way for me to get you to fold an Ax or Qx by the river was to lead/lead.
Once that river came though I decided to give up cause it makes you the nut two pair, a straight which you won't ever fold, and then when I do bet I think it polarizes me to a flush which I just won't have a ton and then maybe even KJ (cause I'm prob not value betting AT or QT ever on this riv) thus for me to bet turn/riv when that K comes I basically have to have KJ or a flush.
So I decided to just check/fold. Turns out you prob woulda called any river so I ran situationally lucky there and I don't think you thought it was a great play but I may as well explain what I was thinking in the moment.
Also to say if you have like JT or QJ you prob are calling turn and then when I bet river you're going to have a tougher time calling down then with an unimproved AK which is probably a hand you're calling with a very high % of the time esp. early in the match.
Ah, I'm rewatching our part and the hand where you have AK and 3bet I actually had AQ and opted not to 4bet since we hadn't started that yet...I was pretty happy with the floop and the tuuurn once you shoved river though I said in "my video" to myself...'luckily I don't have enough time bank to make a bad call, so I'm gonna make a good fold. 20 more seconds and I'd make this bad call'. Haha.
I do like how you played it though. I'm never really folding a King in this spot (although could find one perhaps to a shove, but idk trying to reflect back in the moment. The only Kings in my range are like KQ and KJ, KTs so meh), and I think calling two with AQ is ok...
Do you think calling two with AQ is fine? Considering this was the first time I defended to a three bet and you double barrel I guess there 'should' be less bluffs in your range since you obviously notice I haven't been defending much; but in the same token I think that could also increase your double barreling in case you think I'm weak and you can get me off 77 or whatever.
Thoughts? TBH I woulda been close to calling certain bet sizes on the river, but probably woulda opted to fold cause I would have decided that I didn't think you'd try and tripple barrel me for the above reasons (first defense, my perceived image, etc)
easy call link to your video?
Also krantz it seemed like you were somewhat tilting slightly after that A9 hand. Not like serious tilt or anything for sure, but there was a triple barrel hand I remember where you were very "meh" on your play.
Also, in the A9 hand. You snap checked the turn after calling the flop. Was this timing intentional? Seems like an indication you're likely to be slightly weaker in that spot/a bit of a timing tell. more of an fyi, unless you have some reasoning for it.
the video was fantastic. don't get me wrong.
Drömkåken!
really liked aarons explanation of 710 hand in first part of vid (his HU match)
great video, and awesome series.
What would be the correct adjustment to someone who mixes limping and raising the btn. Awesome series!
no spoiler for next series? ![]()
Fantastic series!
Krantz, just wondering, you made the comment that there were some attributes that you would not have time to cover in this series, have you thought out exactly what those are? It might be interesting to come up with counters of our own, something to do until Pr1nnyraiding S3
Check out Gman's series coming in 2 weeks...
Ah, I'm rewatching our part and the hand where you have AK and 3bet I actually had AQ and opted not to 4bet since we hadn't started that yet...I was pretty happy with the floop and the tuuurn once you shoved river though I said in "my video" to myself...'luckily I don't have enough time bank to make a bad call, so I'm gonna make a good fold. 20 more seconds and I'd make this bad call'. Haha.
I do like how you played it though. I'm never really folding a King in this spot (although could find one perhaps to a shove, but idk trying to reflect back in the moment. The only Kings in my range are like KQ and KJ, KTs so meh), and I think calling two with AQ is ok...
Do you think calling two with AQ is fine? Considering this was the first time I defended to a three bet and you double barrel I guess there 'should' be less bluffs in your range since you obviously notice I haven't been defending much; but in the same token I think that could also increase your double barreling in case you think I'm weak and you can get me off 77 or whatever.
Thoughts? TBH I woulda been close to calling certain bet sizes on the river, but probably woulda opted to fold cause I would have decided that I didn't think you'd try and tripple barrel me for the above reasons (first defense, my perceived image, etc)
Pretty spot on, your range is obviously tighter since you weren't defending often, but it's also really well defined... if I were you I would have called twice and folded to any bet on the river. I would not bluff you on the river. By the same token, didn't necessarily expect you to fold!
Also krantz it seemed like you were somewhat tilting slightly after that A9 hand. Not like serious tilt or anything for sure, but there was a triple barrel hand I remember where you were very "meh" on your play.
Also, in the A9 hand. You snap checked the turn after calling the flop. Was this timing intentional? Seems like an indication you're likely to be slightly weaker in that spot/a bit of a timing tell. more of an fyi, unless you have some reasoning for it.
the video was fantastic. don't get me wrong.
I don't necessarily think the timing matters in that spot (more of a question of what his range is, if I'm right about his range I would actually want to appear slightly weaker but he's a thinking player so he shouldn't really pay that much attention to my timing and be way more attentive to what my range is when I call. But no, the timing was unintentional, which is always bad. Shame on me!
What would be the correct adjustment to someone who mixes limping and raising the btn. Awesome series!
Hehe. It depends? It depends on how he reacts to raises when he limps, how often he is raising the button, and many, many more things. This series is sort of a testament to the fact that all players play differently, drastically or only slightly, and there are many things to pay attention to in order to help employ correct adjustments.
Havent read the whole thread, so sorry if Im repeating someone here, but why oh why did WoT 3b the 56s right after he started getting control of the match against someone whos a habitual 4b bluffer?
On another note: I have stolenz your nickname Jay. /uberninja over and out.
Edit: to clearify, he had fold to 3b: 25% and 4b: 75%, it just doesnt make sense to 3bet that dude with 56s, your just letting him leech momentum the times he succesfully 4b bluffs you.
Edit2: Now a bit further into the vid you guys made some fuzz(ss?!) about when WoT 3b the T7s so clearly you do realize its crap, but you did it one time before that aswell, crap and then crap again, total crap-bonanz(s?)a.
krantz: did you actually watch the movie Drömkåken with subtitles and shit? That might be the most hilarious stuff ever if you have.
Havent read the whole thread, so sorry if Im repeating someone here, but why oh why did WoT 3b the 56s right after he started getting control of the match against someone whos a habitual 4b bluffer?
On another note: I have stolenz your nickname Jay. /uberninja over and out.
Edit: to clearify, he had fold to 3b: 25% and 4b: 75%, it just doesnt make sense to 3bet that dude with 56s, your just letting him leech momentum the times he succesfully 4b bluffs you.
Edit2: Now a bit further into the vid you guys made some fuzz(ss?!) about when WoT 3b the T7s so clearly you do realize its crap, but you did it one time before that aswell, crap and then crap again, total crap-bonanz(s?)a.
it doesn't happen often but i do sometimes make mistakes ![]()
Thanks for the excellent video series both of you, I'm looking forward to a season 3 sometime in the future! Good luck, Yojimgari
i would definately think about calling with the 36 on the paired 7 board he most likely had a diamond with a weird gutshot or he was floating waiting for you to shut down. he must have figured if you had the 7 you might have led the flop.
I dont think timing is the best tell. People with the best hand often insta check or time check for hollywood value to induce a bet. I try and keep my checks and bets with similar timing. The timing of a check or bet can get your opponent to do what you want them to, which is bet when you have a strong hand to squeeze the most value when you have the nuts, and fold when your weak which is what you essentially want is for them to do which is getting your opponent to lay down the best hand. I guess different people have different timing tells that you must figure out along the way. But you must figure why someone is betting. They missed their draw, or their betting out of postion because they are scared your are going to checking behind them so they are betting for value, they are in position and they have air which means they know they cant win without betting, they are in position with a strong hand. Bet sizing can sometimes be a better indicator than timing people semi-bluffing might not be as willing to put as much in the pot. A hand is like a puzzle when you put the pieces together you know when to try and steal the pot. Sometimes putting this puzzle together takes time in the think tank people catch on to this if your taking more time than you usually do. If you try and act with similar timing it makes your opponents have to guess more which in turn helps them make more mistakes. I thought you played very well Jay. You made good call downs against the hand where he had a 10-8. I dont think you were too tilted you were pretty calm after you lost the Q9 flopped trips where you had 200bbs, over bet the turn, he ships it with 8 outs on the turn, and caught his running clubs. You played the hand perfectly nothing you could do differently just weird luck. I would have taken a break after that to cool off. I did notice that you three bet more after that hand. I tend to do the same after getting donked. He just didnt put you on the trip 9s or he would have never made a play with 16% equity for 200bbs. Seeing these fish at higher stakes excites me and makes me want to move up limits.
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What do you look for in a board to float or bluff raise? Bluff raising dry boards that don't have a lot of draws that might continue/shove? What about textures that are good for floating?
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