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DJ Sensei and Vanessa Selbst are back with more Unconventional Wisdom. For the anniversary of DeucesCracked.com they revisit some of the topics of the previous series like 3-betting but with deeper discussions and theories. They also discuss the change in the games from a year ago.
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Dj Sensei and Vanessa really begin to mix it up this week with Aggressive Folding. Knowing when you are beat and the tough laydowns can make or break your bankroll sometimes.
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Rasputin
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In my experience, chicks most certainly do not think folding is sexy.
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Kgore
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I guess you didn't have much of a read on NLife in the 9Tcc hand. He's a fish who plays really bad. I thought A2, and AQ were a big part of his range when he raised there.
Good vid though, interesting stuff.
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Peesocake
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Cool, folding, I like that. It's sexy.
However, the folds I've seen in this vid don't seem that tough to me. The one I would have most trouble with on the spot is the JTs fold on the river. And that's what I hoped what the discussion would be about: folding decent hands on the river, when pots and bets, and hence mistakes, are biggest.
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liveevilveil
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+1
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Caporegime
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that Tc9c hand is really standard imo and shouldnt be in the video but other than that really good stuff. My problem is that I multitable and dont have time to think this deep. I m replaying hands later now and figuring things out so i can add these plays into my "autopilot bag" and can recognize these spots and act fast without thinking much.
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DonkHero
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OMG - FOLDING!!! Ive been waiting for this...
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CrazyAl
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Speedlimits
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The Ac7c check is kind of transparent if the full stack villain is aware at all. You are never going to be checking your air hands here so all of your flop checking range is going to be weighted towards monsters/AK/AQ type hands. I think betting is better for balance against good players, thoughts?
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planB
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I can't help it but I have a feeling that this video is making me weak passive.. folding AK for not even 75bb preflop?
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fslexcduck
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Timestamp?
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fslexcduck
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I think the main thing to get out of this kind of video is that this kind of thinking can be really bad for your game. The whole point is there are situations where folding AK for 500 BB's would be terrible, and there are situations, like this one, where it's probably the proper fold for 75.
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consuellas_revenge
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Unconventional Wisdom was the first poker series I ever watched, and still one of my favorites. So awesome to have you two back!!!
44:00 86cc. My first thought was to lead here. You say you might lead here with FD on a something like a 742 but this board connects with people's ranges too much. This is def true for the callers, but I felt UTG is our biggest concern here and he could peel with a lot of "overpairs" on that low board. I would be more inclined to lead this board because UTG will probably have to fold hands like TT, whereas he's definitely calling on a 7 high board. Also, I felt BTN and SB's range are wide enough that they will have to fold a lot, especially if we can fire multiple barrels, and I don't think this is a bad spot to barrel even though there is an obvious flush draw because our range for leading into multiple people is so strong. I definitely wouldn't go into it expecting to fire multiple barrels, just a thought, but really I think we can take it down a pretty decent percent on the flop. Thoughts?
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Speedlimits
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I'm confused? What?
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Entity
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What time in the video did the hand/discussion occur? Makes it easier for producers to find the hand, rewatch and figure out the context of the hand, and comment based on that.
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Manchild
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the first few hands are like, oooh ya sexy folds, this looks good.
then the JJ hand made me plotz
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Speedlimits
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Oh ok thanks.
The hand occurred around the 30-31 minute mark.
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fslexcduck
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I like it, for all the reasons you said. I think if UTG happens to raise, you have to just fold... but you can hope he has like 77,88, TT-QQ or AQ or so and can't do anything bc of all the people behind him. Cool.
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Shreddes
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I'm just glad you guys edited out the visual of AK going into the muck there, and skipped ahead to the next hand. This way we can always hold out hope that you didn't actually fold it.
But joking aside, I liked it for all the reasons you stated but also b/c your UTG and so his already nitty range for RRing you there is even stronger.
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Sasolini
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I actually never make any calculation with AK going All In pre-flop until this video
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 45.314% 40.02% 05.30% 715345548 94711176.00 { AKo }
Hand 1: 54.686% 49.39% 05.30% 882877476 94711176.00 { 22+, AJs+, AKo }
In the current hand he can have 3bet range of 7.7% and we are only break even EV! (actually we still lose 2,5c
But ok, everybody bluff so lets change that. Lets assume since he is TAG that his 3bet range is 3,8% and that he blufs 10%:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 42.870% 30.56% 12.31% 226021668 91093338.00 { AKo }
Hand 1: 57.130% 44.82% 12.31% 331506984 91093338.00 { TT+, AQs+, AKo }
Now if I add to that 10% (random hand without his 3bet range) we still lose 3,1$ if we go all in!?
Im shocked!? Can someone pls explain to me why we always say "well its AK lets ship it!"? I know there is dead money in the pot and we have to calculate the times he fold and we collect. So does that mean we need to take a better look at his fold to 4bet range to make a better/right decision?
Can someone who is smarter then me go a bit deeper in to this? Ty
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Sasolini
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LOL, im quoting my self
In my last example i assume our vilian have 3bet range of 3,8% + 10% bluffs. Now what about our 4bet to 90$-100$? (math is done on 90$ 4bet)
1.) If his 5bet shove (i did not assume he will call ever) range is 1,2% (AA, KK, AKs) then if we call we LOSE -56$
2.) If his 5bet shove range is 1,7% (AA, KK, QQ, AKs) then if we call we LOSE -9$
3.) If his 5bet shove range is 2,1% (AA, KK, AKs, AK) then if we call we WIN +9$
4.) If his 5bet shove range is 2,6% (AA, KK, QQ, AKs, AK) then if we call we WIN +17$
Im sure you figure it out that if his 5bet shove (not folding to 4bet) range is above 1,7% we make money with 4bet-ing and calling his 5bet All In.
I hope i did my math the right way
All the smarter ppl are still welcome to go deeper
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blackaces24
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omg this is THE video i was waiting for... my wts is soooooo much too high
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el_grande
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Is this the episode where you recommend just open folding 22-55 UTG?
I play 100nl and over the last 50K hands I'm at 141bb/100 raising with 22-55 UTG 100% so I'm not stopping anytime soon!
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DJ Sensei
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Well, as long as your opponents are not 3betting you often, giving up postflop very easily, and paying off bigtime when you hit a set, then by all means raise it up!
Just be ready to adjust that part of your range when you move up in stakes and those conditions change.
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overbet
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I like to bet 8.50 here to induce short to shove while blatantly telling the cut off ur intention to raise. If cut off calls and you re pop, depending on what cut off does in response u have a lot of information.
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mrpeppe
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The hand JJ flop KT9ss.
I don't understand why if we check turn we fold river.
Cause if we check turn we undervalue our hand and (like Vanessa say in Duck Soup) we have to do big call on the river.
I think that we can bet/fold turn or check behind turn and call any resonable bet on the river.
I prefer check behind turn cause we can cause bluff induction on the river AND avoid check raise semibluff on turn.
Oppo can always bet AJ AQ or all busted draw, hands we bet on the river and are big part of his range, and i think AT and QQ maybe can check/call most of the time.
Betting the river he rapresents mostly trips+ (Kx, 99, TT, KK, JQ) so is not a big part of his range.
But i think that most of the time he second barrel with set or straight at turn than check raise.
And most of the time he could second barrel with TP at turn.
So really at river he's only representing trips or a bluff.
So Can you explayn me why don't we call river bet?
Thanks, nice series
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iwinmorepots
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I didn't like this video that much, these folding situations are somewhat lame. I think its very easy to fold in multi-way pots with decent hands considering there is a greater chance of a big hand, especially when it comes to folding with draws.
I think if another video is made about folding in tough spots, it should be focused on situations that are headsup since those are the spots we encounter the most at 6max and the spots we really want to improve on, multi-way pots are really for big hands, so if we just dont get too crazy FPS in multi-way pots we should be fine. Being able to fold big hands heads-up is really what should be the focus.
Just a thought, no offensive should be taken, I like both sensei and vanessa.
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