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Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by WiltOnTilt (Micro/Small Stakes)

Great! A lot is this is basic knowledge that most of us have, but review never hurts and there are new ideas scattered throughout even the basics. So please keep it the way that you are doing it. Perfect. I am especially interested in shortcuts at the table.

Thanks HappyFool. I promise you we'll be getting into some more advanced stuff, but I wanted to make sure everyone has a base foundation of knowledge, so even total newbies will be able to understand the later stuff.

Thanks for watching!

WoT

great idea for theory posts. looking forward to more than just math theory videos

Really nice video, even though its very basic

Im really looking forward to upcoming vids

Professor WiltOnTilt- great video, thanks.

For the group,
do you always report odds in the ratio format with the larger number on the left and use the dog/favorite word as the clarifier. or is it also proper to show odds as 1:4 when you have a 20% chance of making your hand? or is "4:1 dog" the industry standard/preferred way.

thanks!

Awesome job Aaron, looking forward to future eps It seems like this will be the most beneficial series for me (and probably many others) out of all the series that have been put up so far. I think alot of people though may miss out on this gem as it feels like alot more work (and less fun) than watching the other vids. That's just an observation though, not a criticism - It's kinda like asking someone if they'd rather go to a maths lesson or watch a movie, pretty easy answer unless the person is really motivated to improve their maths.

Professor WiltOnTilt- great video, thanks.

For the group,
do you always report odds in the ratio format with the larger number on the left and use the dog/favorite word as the clarifier. or is it also proper to show odds as 1:4 when you have a 20% chance of making your hand? or is "4:1 dog" the industry standard/preferred way.

thanks!

Hey,

Just watched this video first and am most interested in this series so far.

I usually use 1:4, mainly so that you don't look and see 4:1 and stop reading there and assume something you shouldn't.

The name implies that this series only relates to NL. My main game now is limit so I haven't watched this until Oink mentioned it in his video. This is great stuff for all Poker calcs. The first is basic but really well presented. It really helps to reinforce basic knowledge and I look forward to watching the entire series. I recommend this series for all players. Good math skills are +EV for all poker players in any games. Like you said, Not as fun as watching people play, but important knowledge to help a person understand all gambling and the other videos. Table shortcuts are super-important to me and I love your ability to explain concepts to non math geeks. Thanks and keep up the good work.

A couple of slightly better approximations concerning the rules of 4 and 2.

4 * #of outs -(# of outs greater then 8) = turn percentage

for outs 6 and above
2 * #of outs + 2 = river percentage

A minor correction:

The outs of an open-end straight draw + flush draw should be 15. The video's chart says 14.

Mason Malmuth wears a calculator watch. I am sure he saw your video.

Great vidie man, Can i download the file somewere,with Odds etc. So i can print it

RushingOver,

I put the oddschart up on my website for you. you can find it here:

http://www.plusevpoker.com/images/oddschart.jpg

Glad you enjoyed the video!

Aaron

Ty man.I will make good use of it.

I noticed for the 2 outs(pocket pair) line the percentages were correct but the odds were reflecting that of 1 out.

Nonetheless, a much appreciated video series. I am off to check out vid #2. Thanks!

Wilt was wondering if you could post your pp of each video so we could take notes on it and really pay close attention to the detail .......

Thanks

Matt
(maskedman)

Hi Matt, this question has been asked before but unfortunately the answer is no. While I'm sure many would be using the powerpoint in purely educational ways I'm somewhat concerned of people mis-using it and diluting the very hard work I put into the whole thing.

Sorry man, I know it would be helpful to have. I hope you understand.

Aaron

ok np nice work anyways....

trtrtrtr

Hi,

not sure if the PowerPoint presentation of the full series is available anywhere? WOuld be very handy for reviewing all the info.

Hi,

not sure if the PowerPoint presentation of the full series is available anywhere? WOuld be very handy for reviewing all the info.

Aaron worked very hard on this project and in order to protect that material from being reproduced, it is not available.

Hope everyone understands,
Joe Tall

Thats completely understandable. However, I really want to look back over a few key points of the series without having to watch/fast-forward through it all. It just helps to cement the ideas in your head, quickly. I should have taken notes really.

Not sure if anyone can just post the equations / a skeleton summary of the series? This would help immensely.

Thanks HappyFool. I promise you we'll be getting into some more advanced stuff, but I wanted to make sure everyone has a base foundation of knowledge, so even total newbies will be able to understand the later stuff.

Thanks for watching!

WoT

Yup, this is a great idea. I am familiar with most of these terms covered in this episode but not quite comfortable, so this was a great review for me. Definitely much better than trying to re-read another Sklansky book the thought of which makes me want to fall asleep

So love this series. Good Job bro.

I am sure it would be helpful in the sense that both games are holdem and operate on similar odds and probability, but how useful would you say this series is for a limit holdem player?

Joe Tall and others who are of limit fame said the videos were helpful to them. I'm not sure overall how helpful it is for limit poker as I don't really play LHE, however since I talk about hand ranges and hand reading and things like that throughout, it could be beneficial.

Some of the episodes, such as the one based on fold equity, will have a lot less benefit for the LHE player though.

WoT

Thanks Aaron,

I am finding it pretty helpful so far as well.

Great! A lot is this is basic knowledge that most of us have, but review never hurts and there are new ideas scattered throughout even the basics. So please keep it the way that you are doing it. Perfect. I am especially interested in shortcuts at the table.

100% agreed!

Really good.I just want you to know i have cramp in my hand now tho after scribling this down for the past 2 hrs,going to watch this whole series.Fine work sir!

Thanks for making this Wilt, i knew all the terms and had a basic understanding of them but never understood it in depth.
The way you explain it makes everything much clearer to me, going to make me some exercises next weekend .

hey maybe missed something but i think there is a discrepancy with one of the slides. On the "converting a percentage into a ratio" you say 33%>ratio is 2:1 as in 2:1 dog. Then afterwards you say 83%>ratio and say the ratio is 4.9:1 but you are referring to it as a 4.9:1 favorite. someone new could be confused

Thank you for this video, very clear explanations.

Just a quick question, in the AK vs flush draw example towards the end of the show, you mentioned that our stacks were 'effective stacks' of $1000, but I'm not quite sure what this means. Is there a different meaning to saying '$1000 stacks' vs '$1000 effective stacks'?

Great job and I'm gonna watch part 2 now.

if you have $2000 and your opponent has $1000, your effective stack if $1000 as well since the most you'll be able to win/lose against that opponent is $1000

if you have $2000 and your opponent has $1000, your effective stack if $1000 as well since the most you'll be able to win/lose against that opponent is $1000

Thanks mate!

I joined this site specifically for this series. I haven't played in a long time and am very rusty. After watching the first video- and also poking around, I have no doubt I'll stick around for a long time. Thanks Wilt. I know it's a long time since you created this series, but just so you know- it just brought deuces-cracked a new customer.

Man I love this series!

After this I will know if I make the right decisions after getting suckout.

A couple of slightly better approximations concerning the rules of 4 and 2.

4 * #of outs -(# of outs greater then 8) = turn percentage

for outs 6 and above
2 * #of outs + 2 = river percentage

That works well, thank you.

RushingOver,

I put the oddschart up on my website for you. you can find it here:

http://www.plusevpoker.com/images/oddschart.jpg

Glad you enjoyed the video!

Aaron

it's good to just screw around with these numbers a little. seems to sink in better if you actually do the math. mess with approximation help sudic gave us and test it out a little bit

can't wait to watch the rest of the series. very solid stuff

I know I'm late to the game, but thanks Aaron for a GREAT series that was sorely needed in the community.

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Hi WoT, I have a question here regarding your math for the 33% ratio to percentage problem. Wouldnt the correct ratio be - 1:2 b/c, 33% wins to 67% losses is equal to 1:2. In the powerpoint presentation it is written, 2:1. Can you clarify please??

Thanks,
Brian

ya 1:2 or 2:1 is fine, its just typically ratios are expressed with the larger number first, then either "favorite" or "underdog" is placed afterward.

so like 2:1 favorite. 3:2 underdog (or "dog" for short)

but 2:3 is not incorrect, it's just different than the standard way of saying/expressing it.

I joined dc 4 weeks ago and just got done watching this series.

Its soooo good.

Thanks a lot WoT. Great work, awesome presentation!

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Sorry for being a nit here, but there's an error on the pocket pair line (in the bottom part of the slide).

On the turn your PowerPoint slide shows us as a 44.5:1 dog with one card to come. In fact we are an ~22:1 dog (in other words, approximately what you listed as the flop odds). The flop odds are also incorrect - we are ~10.9:1 against.

This error is also present on the chart you linked.

Hmmm...too late to edit - now that I read the thread I see this has already been mentioned. That said, it doesn't seem the link on your web page has been corrected.

Also, I see the first poster said the percentages were still correct. Upon review I agree that looks reasonable - I didn't notice since I tend to deal strictly on the odds and ignore the percentage equivalents.

Anyway, nice job on the vid.

This is fantasic, the basic core mathematical points that are so hard to find info on, and often taken for granted by a coach/expert when teaching a new player Leading to being told what to do when, but not why, which I think is the reason many new players and even some old hats can't learn how to play a dynamic game. I look forward to watching the rest.

WoT, Thanks! This whole series is sick!

Great Series, ty WiltonTilt <3

Seriously the best series of instructional videos I've seen. I think this type of general strategy video is the best form of learning video. Excellent content and presentation. Thanks a ton WiltOnTilt!

glad u guys like it

Hi,,im new at this and i dont exactly understand the chart with the outs and all that...What does that mean exactly?

Hi,,im new at this and i dont exactly understand the chart with the outs and all that...What does that mean exactly?

an "out" is a card that can improve your hand to be best at showdown. So the classic example is if you have a flush draw on the flop, you have 9 "outs" or cards that will make you a flush. This chart shows that given 9 "outs" what your percentage will be with 2 cards to come (on the flop) or 1 card to come (on the turn).

The "odds against" column shows the same information just in a different format. With that same flush draw, you are about 1.9:1 against making it by the river (on the flop, 2 cards to come) and 4.1:1 against making it when you're at the turn (with 1 card to come). the 35% notation and the odds notation (ex 1.9:1) are just 2 different ways of saying the same thing, just expressed differently.

the rules of 2 and 4 are quick math tricks you can use to get a rough estimation of these percentages.

Does that help? let me know if I didn't answer your question.

WoT

Yes you did,,..theres just lots of poker vocabulary that im not familiar with..Is there any videos or files for all the expressions..For example: flush draw+oesd dont know what it means...Thanks I appreciate

Yes you did,,..theres just lots of poker vocabulary that im not familiar with..Is there any videos or files for all the expressions..For example: flush draw+oesd dont know what it means...Thanks I appreciate

try this link: http://keepyourchips.com/forums/36-General-Poker-Discussion/32855-Poker-and-Forum-Acronyms

It should have most of them in there.

If you run across some other acronyms or terminology, feel free to post about it there or you can always PM me or post in the video thread etc.

flush draw + oesd would mean you have you are drawing to a flush while also drawing to an open end straight (oesd - "open end" because you can either hit a straight with a higher card or a lower card, as opposed to a "gut shot" straight draw where the 5th straightening card would be in the middle somewhere, like J9 on T72).

An example of a flush draw + OESD (sometimes you'll see FD+OESD instead) might be 9 8 in your hand with a T 7 2 board. Here you'll have 15 cards (outs) to hit either a straight or a flush. Those outs would be 9 hearts, 3 sixes and 3 jacks. Don't forget you can't double-count the J and 6 since they complete both the straight and the flush.

Hope that helps!
WoT

Great Job WiltonTilt

This serie is really helpfull, thank you very much!!

I have a qustion on the odds to memorize chart:

The odds for a pocket pair postflop: on the chart they are 22.4:1 on the flop and on the turn they are 44.5:1, but shouldn't they be 10.9:1 on the flop and 22.3:1 on the turn?

For the flush draw+oesd we have 15 outs not 14, right?

In your odds charts example, high-card low-card vs non-pair is about 60%, about 3:2 (1.5:1) and not 1.2:1 (55%).

Even A2 vs KQ is 57.8%, while AJ vs KQ is 59.7%
Now something like A5 vs 98, or K4 vs T9 are much much closer to 55%, it is just the example you chose was a poor one, imo, becase it is 3:2

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You can also calculate it by the whole pot, which might be easier in some cases.
EV = (.63 * 2000) - (.37 * 2000) = 560$

thanks bellatrix

You can also calculate it by the whole pot, which might be easier in some cases.
EV = (.63 * 2000) - (.37 * 2000) = 560$

fwiw, that equals $520.

I agree though - calculating it using the whole pot may oftentimes be a roughly accurate shortcut.

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flush draw + OESD give us 15 outs.

You can also calculate it by the whole pot, which might be easier in some cases.
EV = (.63 * 2000) - (.37 * 2000) = 560$

First off all great video im a newb (just joined)
But isn't equity calculated by the effectief stacksize on the start of a hand or is this the same thing:-)

yes you'd always want to use the effective stack size

Thanks for your quick reply

Do the odds charts you present assume that you will be all-in on the flop with two cards to come? Or all-in on the turn with one card to come? I am just wondering as I think in most flush draw cases it is not always going in on the flop depending on how deep stack sizes are, therefore wouldn't I use what my drawing odds are on the flop for just one card to come? Also, can you clarify how when you spoke of having 7 outs in reference to the odds chart that you are a 27.8% underdog to win on the flop. Isn't it really to make you hand and not to actual win? I am not trying to be nit picky, but I come from a limit background and am trying to learn a lot of no limit mathematics and apply it correctly at the table.

Thanks, in advance for your help.

Do the odds charts you present assume that you will be all-in on the flop with two cards to come? Or all-in on the turn with one card to come? I am just wondering as I think in most flush draw cases it is not always going in on the flop depending on how deep stack sizes are, therefore wouldn't I use what my drawing odds are on the flop for just one card to come? Also, can you clarify how when you spoke of having 7 outs in reference to the odds chart that you are a 27.8% underdog to win on the flop. Isn't it really to make you hand and not to actual win? I am not trying to be nit picky, but I come from a limit background and am trying to learn a lot of no limit mathematics and apply it correctly at the table.

Thanks, in advance for your help.

yes, the chart assumes seeing 1 card or 2 cards. Also yes, the # of outs to make your hand isn't always the same as the % chance of actually winning the hand, just that the most common scenarios for discussing this type of math end up being % chances to make big hands like straights and flushes and full houses that we play as if they are nutted most of the time since the times we run into flush < flush or boat < boat are very small...but you are still right that just because we hit our hand our opponent doesn't necessarily have 0% equity etc

Wouldn't an opened ended strait draw +flush draw be 17 outs? 9 for the flush and 8 for the strait draw since you can hit 2 different cards to make a strait?

Wouldn't an opened ended strait draw +flush draw be 17 outs? 9 for the flush and 8 for the strait draw since you can hit 2 different cards to make a strait?

don't double count the cards that make both a straight and a flush! :-)

don't double count the cards that make both a straight and a flush! :-)

Wouldn't that be 15 outs because if you needed any heart to make a flush and then you needed either a 5 or 8 to make a strait I see that you would subtract 1x 5 and 1x 8 because they will be the 5 and 8 of hearts but why do you subtract the third out making it 14 outs instead of 15? Thanks for the quick responses by the way.

Wouldn't that be 15 outs because if you needed any heart to make a flush and then you needed either a 5 or 8 to make a strait I see that you would subtract 1x 5 and 1x 8 because they will be the 5 and 8 of hearts but why do you subtract the third out making it 14 outs instead of 15? Thanks for the quick responses by the way.

yes 15 outs, i might have misspoke if i said 14

Hi Wilt,

I just signed up for DC and I think this video series you created is just fantastic. It looks like a lot of hard work went in to it and I really got a lot out of it.

So, I first wanted to say thank you for making this series --> Thank you

Second, I actually had a question about poker math for live play (not online -- literally sitting at a table) --> I'm trying to draw a line between live poker math needed and online poker math. I'm not capable of doing a lot of this math at the table (at least not w/o a calculator, pen, paper and extra time). Which math is essential for live play? All the videos in this series or maybe just the first couple or...? Any kind of input would be really greatly appreciated -- thank you!

Hi Wilt,

I just signed up for DC and I think this video series you created is just fantastic. It looks like a lot of hard work went in to it and I really got a lot out of it.

So, I first wanted to say thank you for making this series --> Thank you

Second, I actually had a question about poker math for live play (not online -- literally sitting at a table) --> I'm trying to draw a line between live poker math needed and online poker math. I'm not capable of doing a lot of this math at the table (at least not w/o a calculator, pen, paper and extra time). Which math is essential for live play? All the videos in this series or maybe just the first couple or...? Any kind of input would be really greatly appreciated -- thank you!

well poker is poker, so online vs live the math will be the same and will be needed, but you're right there are some differences.

We wont be able to rely on any stats live. Also the pot sizes and bet sizes not being easily detectable makes some of the quick math harder. You have to be better aware of the pot size at all times.

The key of this series is really to get you thinking more in the direction of hand ranges and how your hand holds up vs the various ranges. The EV calcs in the second half of the series will be forcing you to count hand combinations, dig into poker stove, and actually think about the mechanics of what is actually happening from a math perspective. You'll need this live or online. The difference is, live players can use some extra info to push the math one way or another. For instance, if you get a good live read, what does that mean? how do we quantify it? The math (via hand combinations) will help you put some actual reasoning/logic behind "when he sits back in his chair like that, I think he's weak" -- well that statement is kinda meaningless in and of itself, but if you can use this series to help you say "when he sits back in his chair, I think he's weaker than average, so let's take out half of his set combos and 2/3 of his 2pair combos, now we're left with a range weighted more toward overpairs and draws so my hand does X vs that range"

See what I mean?

I would recommend trying to get through the whole series. I know it's boring, and there are some mistakes in there (check the threads afterwards) but I think it will all help you get into thinking about all situations better. Then, since you don't have the stats and numbers right in front of you, you will have to fudge it a bit more at the table... but the key is going through the thought process over and over so it becomes more ingrained.

Hope that answers your question.

Hi Wilt,

I really want to thank you for responding -- you're a famous poker pro and it really was a bit of an honor that you wrote a response (and a very prompt one at that) to my question.

I guess I was (shamefully) hoping to cheat portions of the math a bit. But, with a bit of hard work and studying I can hopefully achieve a better mental status with the math. I went down fighting over the ratio's cause Rule 2/4 seemed so much easier. I bit the bullet, studied the ratios, and now love them and use them exclusively. I'll apply the same study/work ethic here and try to make me/DC proud with mathematical achievements.

Thank you for the thoughtful, well-written response (it wasn't just a "yes"/"no" -- it looks like you really took out the time to think about my question and meaningfully respond).

Greatly appreciated,
HB

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EV berekenen!!! snap ik nog niet helemaal.

Excellent work, you explain things very well. Most of this particular episode is review to me, but even so I gleaned some nice tidbits that help with faster calculations.

I would recommend this series to anyone.

author of this video is god

author of this video is god

haha, just a mere mortal who wants to spread the mathematical "good news"

Nice video, you got me hooked from the premiere, so i`m looking forward to watching the next episodes.
Even though i had somewhat clear ideas of some of these concepts, i still think mastering all of them will help strengthen my fundamentals tremendously.
Your plain and simple, clear cut explanations help a lot.
Thanks

Nice video, you got me hooked from the premiere, so i`m looking forward to watching the next episodes.
Even though i had somewhat clear ideas of some of these concepts, i still think mastering all of them will help strengthen my fundamentals tremendously.
Your plain and simple, clear cut explanations help a lot.
Thanks

Thanks for the kind words, I hope my vids continue to help you!

Let me know if you have any questions
Aaron

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can't you subtract the outs over nine to get closer to the right number? (20*4)-11= 69
actual is about 67.3

can't you subtract the outs over nine to get closer to the right number? (20*4)-11= 69
actual is about 67.3

I haven't heard of that method before

Holy crap... did someone just show up and their first post on the forums is like... new for WOT?

Nice debut!

Holy crap... did someone just show up and their first post on the forums is like... new for WOT?

Nice debut!

high fives all around

Very helpful. Thank you!