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7min in: u flat AK to the cold 4bet , what do u think rafa84' s range is in that spot?how would u play AA KK QQ in sandafs shoes there?
Do think Rafa is gonna call wider cos he' ll expect u to overcall given the odds u r getting?Would u always flat AA KK in rafas shoes there?and if u decided to flat AA KK QQ in rafas shoes, would u shove the turn always if i remember correctly it was 800 into 900.
sorry thought the spot was interesting , it was kinda unfortunate u had such an easy decision and coudnt say too much about it.
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Hey andrew great series btw, the a4o hand about 24mins it was a 3bet pot and the board was 4s7h9h6sqd on the river what do you think villians range is there to bet the river?
i thought this spot was super weird/interesting. Some people go for thin value with a random pair there hoping that i call with A hi (which is why I folded), but that's a pretty awful board for it there (i basically never call w A hi). It's also tough for him to have 2pair+ because he never checks turn with it. Idk, tough spot.
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How would you play this preflop if you were 100bb deep? Can we call OOP with SCs here?
with the two regs in the pot, it gets quite tricky to play here oop with 100bb for a flat. if, for example, the pfr was a weaker player, then yes, you can call. but in this spot i believe it was sandahfs who appears to be halfway decent.
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7min in: u flat AK to the cold 4bet , what do u think rafa84' s range is in that spot?how would u play AA KK QQ in sandafs shoes there?
Do think Rafa is gonna call wider cos he' ll expect u to overcall given the odds u r getting?Would u always flat AA KK in rafas shoes there?and if u decided to flat AA KK QQ in rafas shoes, would u shove the turn always if i remember correctly it was 800 into 900.
sorry thought the spot was interesting , it was kinda unfortunate u had such an easy decision and coudnt say too much about it.
id be concerned ab out flatting AA/KK that deep just because I"m behind and am likely to play perfectly against him (a dangerous proposition. And ya, I'd ship the turn, just because my opponnet never bluffs a later street, could suckout, and also can call with worse hands. You could make an argument for waiting, though.
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5betting here would have to be pretty bad given your read of Sandahfs and the fact Rafa is unknown to you, right? Rafa's range for flatting the 4bet with you still to act behind him is presumably very strong (JJ+, AK) and should definitely include KK/AA.
It doesn't appear that there is any dead money to collect and since you're behind both their ranges I actually like a nitty fold preflop.
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On the JJ hand on the BTN vs Nazgul's 4bet from MP: What do you think about flatting here, and what are the relevant differences between flatting the 4bet with JJ compared to AK? (I think your line is the standard one, I'm just curious given the way you have advocated playing AK vs a 4bet in previous videos)
In this kind of spot, the widest range villain typically has for 4bet/calling is TT+, AQ+ and we're a slight dog vs that range. Villains aren't playing all pairs this way - 22-77 is usually going to fold or jam, so vs this 4bet we are facing bluffs and a value range that we are slightly behind.
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Interesting spot. Couple of questions:
1) What's the weakest hand you'd ship for value here?
2) How thinly do you think villain can bluffcatch against you?
I'd ship sets, possibly top two, possibly aces (but that might bet pretty thin).
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id be concerned ab out flatting AA/KK that deep just because I"m behind and am likely to play perfectly against him (a dangerous proposition. And ya, I'd ship the turn, just because my opponnet never bluffs a later street, could suckout, and also can call with worse hands. You could make an argument for waiting, though.
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Not sure what u meant by u would ship the turn.so u wouldnt check fold qq jj there if u were to cold 4bet em?what would rafas range be here then?if he were to 5bet shouldnt we fold jj pre? maybe qq?
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When we bink the K on the turn vs this weak passive player and you jam for about a pot sized bet, why not bet smaller if we are getting the money in anyways? Not really any bad cards for us on the river (occasionally an 8 or a Q or maybe an Ace to kill action) So if we bet 1/2 pot again we can widen his calling range and take him on a slow train to value town?
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When we bink the K on the turn vs this weak passive player and you jam for about a pot sized bet, why not bet smaller if we are getting the money in anyways? Not really any bad cards for us on the river (occasionally an 8 or a Q or maybe an Ace to kill action) So if we bet 1/2 pot again we can widen his calling range and take him on a slow train to value town?
again, a decent option. i suppose i wasn't sure what was the bluffiest, so I shipped. haha when in doubt, ship, seems like it might be my life plan.
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baluga, i like your play here post flop for the reasons u gave (and the turn card
)but was wondering what you thought about polarizing our range on purpose here vs certain villains by raising the cbet for value vs 88-QQ type hands? because we only rep sets and maybe 2 or 3 flush draws we are likely to be peeled by an observant enough opponent?? When we peel here vs that range we are likely not going to be barreled on a blank turn or get much more value. do u agree?
i have a hand i recently pld that is similar where i get the regs whole stak by polarizing my range on the flop- (3b pot tho)
http://weaktight.com/3065432
love to hear your thoughts.
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Why as big as 50%+?
we will prob get floated and called with marginal made hands like pp's less if we make a little bigger. and while that means that when we have a value hand we get less value from his floats/marginal hands, the extra value we get from his Ax that we have outkicked prob more than makes up for this. am i wrong here?
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baluga, i like your play here post flop for the reasons u gave (and the turn card
)but was wondering what you thought about polarizing our range on purpose here vs certain villains by raising the cbet for value vs 88-QQ type hands? because we only rep sets and maybe 2 or 3 flush draws we are likely to be peeled by an observant enough opponent?? When we peel here vs that range we are likely not going to be barreled on a blank turn or get much more value. do u agree?
i have a hand i recently pld that is similar where i get the regs whole stak by polarizing my range on the flop- (3b pot tho)
http://weaktight.com/3065432
love to hear your thoughts.
i mean that's fine, but you're 6m, btn vs blind, 3bet pot. You can get value from QQ much more easily than I can raising a FR UTG raiser.
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we will prob get floated and called with marginal made hands like pp's less if we make a little bigger. and while that means that when we have a value hand we get less value from his floats/marginal hands, the extra value we get from his Ax that we have outkicked prob more than makes up for this. am i wrong here?
i mean, if you think he folds his marginal stuff more when you make it a little bigger, then make it a little bigger. I kinda think he folds either way.
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i mean, if you think he folds his marginal stuff more when you make it a little bigger, then make it a little bigger. I kinda think he folds either way.
Andrew
cool. thanks for the great vid and discussion again.
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From that showdown, we could see that "event2" is a bluffy fish, potting every street with whatever.
Also we was abusing you from all over the session.
You advise folding everything until we have evidence?
I was inclined to take a stand sonner. Any thoughts? ty
where do you think I should've called?
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Hi Baluga!
at the KJhh hand 19:00min. on 935QQ board.
you were thinking about catching a bluff but then you said JT would bet the flop. ok this is true. but this is true for almost any Qx hands no?
what do you think?
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After Soi/nit flats you with KQ from SB vs your CO open you talk about how you're going to poo on his plan by basically not bluffing high boards and valuebetting effectively and then his plan of calling with KQ isn't good cos he's not gonna get your bluffmoney. Should he counter it by starting to 3bet KQ for value and bet very thin postflop expecting you to think he's bluffing or has a monster?
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After Soi/nit flats you with KQ from SB vs your CO open you talk about how you're going to poo on his plan by basically not bluffing high boards and valuebetting effectively and then his plan of calling with KQ isn't good cos he's not gonna get your bluffmoney. Should he counter it by starting to 3bet KQ for value and bet very thin postflop expecting you to think he's bluffing or has a monster?
yep, most likely.
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