Poker Video: MTT/SNG by daaaaaaang16 (Micro/Small Stakes)

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What kind of flops were you looking for in this hand? It looks like you would check-fold a lot of the time.

Do you think that your opponent might let you check it down some of the time?

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Against the aggressive player, wouldn't it be better to check-raise the flop? That way we get at least his c-bet if he has nothing. And about the same if he hit something.

You want him to float you with his nothing and than bet the turn if checked to? Does that happen often?

Great video but soul pwned by the 8d lol

A question on cbetting, vs better more observant players are you varying sizes or keeping to a standard ratio something like 40% 50%? Also do you pick any other board textures to attack with a cbets other than standard big little little boards?

I just watched this episode on under and over betting. My first impressions are that It not something I'd want to mess around with without having deeper stacks and some solid reads. I'm not sure if you've seen it or not but I would be curious to hear your take on how the concept might apply to MTT play.

http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/8201-Episode-Nine

Lastly do you ever forget how many As are in your name?

What kind of flops were you looking for in this hand? It looks like you would check-fold a lot of the time.

Do you think that your opponent might let you check it down some of the time?

The JJ or the 99 hand? Sorry, the time link is inbetween them.

Against the aggressive player, wouldn't it be better to check-raise the flop? That way we get at least his c-bet if he has nothing. And about the same if he hit something.

You want him to float you with his nothing and than bet the turn if checked to? Does that happen often?

Check raising a dry flop like that looks so strong imo and a waste of value with set imo.

Yes, people do float and bet the turn a lot, especially this player(I gave him a fake name actually for the HH, this is a player I have played thousands of hands with) he gets creative and aggressive in position and he knows I could also bet here without lot of other hands.

What kind of flops were you looking for in this hand? It looks like you would check-fold a lot of the time.

Do you think that your opponent might let you check it down some of the time?

I have to assume its the JJ hand. To be honest after watching the hand I don't know if that was the best example for what I was trying to show. I pretty much turned my hand into a bad set mine.

The thing to get out of that is not be afraid to fold the 88-jj or even qq over pairs on wet boards early in the tourney, especially when you already have put some chips together and have a comfortable stack.

Great video but soul pwned by the 8d lol

A question on cbetting, vs better more observant players are you varying sizes or keeping to a standard ratio something like 40% 50%? Also do you pick any other board textures to attack with a cbets other than standard big little little boards?

I just watched this episode on under and over betting. My first impressions are that It not something I'd want to mess around with without having deeper stacks and some solid reads. I'm not sure if you've seen it or not but I would be curious to hear your take on how the concept might apply to MTT play.

http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/8201-Episode-Nine

Lastly do you ever forget how many As are in your name?

Absolutely will alter my c betting vs diff players. Have you watched episode 2 yet? There is a bit more on c betting that I think would answer some of your questions.

Yes there are a lot of other boards that will c bet, again take a look at ep 2. For me it depends on the player I'm c betting as well. If it is a guy who is limp calling ATC pre and folding to almost every c bet, then I'll c bet any board vs this player.

I haven't watched that video and have been very busy, but I'm sure I could gain from it as well. Will try and watch it soon!

Nick

Check raising a dry flop like that looks so strong imo and a waste of value with set imo.

Yes, people do float and bet the turn a lot, especially this player(I gave him a fake name actually for the HH, this is a player I have played thousands of hands with) he gets creative and aggressive in position and he knows I could also bet here without lot of other hands.

I agree that it looks strong, the turn action does as well, though. And your opponent still gave you action when he probably shouldn't.

If you get two bets out of his air this is a great line of course.

I have to assume its the JJ hand. To be honest after watching the hand I don't know if that was the best example for what I was trying to show. I pretty much turned my hand into a bad set mine.

The thing to get out of that is not be afraid to fold the 88-jj or even qq over pairs on wet boards early in the tourney, especially when you already have put some chips together and have a comfortable stack.

That's what I was thinking. (The bolded part)

Thanks for answering.

[quote]I agree that it looks strong, the turn action does as well, though. And your opponent still gave you action when he probably shouldn't.

If you get two bets out of his air this is a great line of course.


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This will happen a lot with this line at the low-mid stakes. Why I use it a lot.

I'm still a little perplexed about your fold with AQ at about 27 minutes in. I get all you say about managing the tournament and not wanting to get it in bad v a tight player,so why did you even bother to call his 3 bet?, surely he's c betting here a ton, especially v a LP opener, are you really only looking for 2 pair or better to continue here?

I'm still a little perplexed about your fold with AQ at about 27 minutes in. I get all you say about managing the tournament and not wanting to get it in bad v a tight player,so why did you even bother to call his 3 bet?, surely he's c betting here a ton, especially v a LP opener, are you really only looking for 2 pair or better to continue here?

No, I considered folding pre as well but I had position and with scary enough boards I think I could get him off a big pair postflop with him leading into me, if that makes sense.

As I stated with the JJ hand I don't think they were the perfect examples but my point was just being willing to fold in these type of spots. (I'm working with limited hands thanks to losing them from my last computer)

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hahahaha i know drummer posted with him on pokerroad for a long time! lol!

and he is pretty tight i think peeling is fine bc he isnt 3 betting OOP too much with weak hands imo. and idk about the flop, but as vanessa selbts says future implied bluffing equity is looking here, he probably keeps firing on the turn. and our hand is in terrible shape. and he isnt making enough mistakes if we raise the flop. seems like a fold on the flop avoids a ton of tough spots, but i can see how if people dont know drummer they can not understand this play.

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how would your play be in this spot against an unknown?

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would you ever on such a dry board ever think of check calling the flop? if you have a tight image c/ring ( this is @ the guy who wanted to c/r the flop) will most likely blow him off all his air ( of which we dont mind keeping in the pot and let them think they can get us to fold to some second barrels) and then we can decide to do something on the turn based off what the turn card is? that just was an idea.

I mean personally when i see donk bets it usually means a hand. so i dont think we get as much value over his whole range.

granted your line ends up looking like a KX suited that had some value on the flop, more value on the turn, and your river bet i think gets hero called because the main draws missed. plus an A tends to look scary to villains most the time, which makes it be seen as a good bluff spot imo.

i mean i like the way the hand played out over the streets, just wondering if you think c/c is viable then make good decision on turn bc oh how dry the board is. plus if the board runs out right out line looks super weak and i would expect an aggro player who doesnt know you to try and blow you off a hand.

The thing is that if we c/c the turn it looks a lot more like SD value and villains betting range on the river is going to be likely a little bet tighter, cause he's going to asume that we'll also call the river. Also we don't build the pot as much. Therefore I'd either bet the turn and c/r the river to induce a doublefloat or take the same line in the video.

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I know you said you folded your AQ because of the player type. Can you go into the player type a little more?

I still don't quite understand not calling the flop and then re-evaluating. I want to understand this a little more because I want to fix my leak.

would you ever on such a dry board ever think of check calling the flop? if you have a tight image c/ring ( this is @ the guy who wanted to c/r the flop) will most likely blow him off all his air ( of which we dont mind keeping in the pot and let them think they can get us to fold to some second barrels) and then we can decide to do something on the turn based off what the turn card is? that just was an idea.

I mean personally when i see donk bets it usually means a hand. so i dont think we get as much value over his whole range.

granted your line ends up looking like a KX suited that had some value on the flop, more value on the turn, and your river bet i think gets hero called because the main draws missed. plus an A tends to look scary to villains most the time, which makes it be seen as a good bluff spot imo.

i mean i like the way the hand played out over the streets, just wondering if you think c/c is viable then make good decision on turn bc oh how dry the board is. plus if the board runs out right out line looks super weak and i would expect an aggro player who doesnt know you to try and blow you off a hand.

My goal in this hand was to try and win a big pot and I think the lead gave me the best chance in this situation. C/c is of course viable but I like building the pot early in the hand when I'm OOP and I love giving aggressive players the opportunity to float me.

I know you said you folded your AQ because of the player type. Can you go into the player type a little more?

I still don't quite understand not calling the flop and then re-evaluating. I want to understand this a little more because I want to fix my leak.

He was extremely tight and I thought I could take the pot down a lot if he showed any weakness post flop. With his sizing I just elected to lay it down and stop the bleeding before I went broke to an over pair. This is a rare hand, I just wanted to show a spot where I will go with a read even with a strong hand.

Time Link to 00:29:41

Vs a unknown would you consider leading this flop small, folding to re-raise and re-evaluating the turn if called? I feel that villain is always cbetting here once checked to in a 3bet pot.

Vs a unknown would you consider leading this flop small, folding to re-raise and re-evaluating the turn if called? I feel that villain is always cbetting here once checked to in a 3bet pot.

You bet, seems like a great line vs an unknown.

Thanks for your replies daaaaaaang16.
Just out of curiosity I'm assuming your putting villains range on QQ+ here? If we were to swap positions do you think we can profitably 3bet a bit light here, given stack sizes and the blinds/limpers? Thanks.

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I think the flop fold is fine. However, if you're folding this flop the preflop call does not seem profitable at all. If you're only going to continue when you flop two pair or a pair + flush draw or better then you're just not getting odds to call pre even with implied odds. I imagine you would've folded an A high flop facing a similar bet because he has a lot of AK in his range.

Two questions;

on the AQ hand, what would you have done had he checked the flop to you?

on the 88 set, why not check raise the turn an amount that the river bet is 70-80% of pot. With the amount you made it, it would have been harder to get a call had you pushed on the river? I only ask this as in other videos (Baluga Whale for eg), he advocates managing the pot in such a way that if someone is coming along, you get their entire stack on the river.

Thanks again for this series, very watchable.

I think the flop fold is fine. However, if you're folding this flop the preflop call does not seem profitable at all. If you're only going to continue when you flop two pair or a pair + flush draw or better then you're just not getting odds to call pre even with implied odds. I imagine you would've folded an A high flop facing a similar bet because he has a lot of AK in his range.

Ya I think I probably should have folded it pre as well, the point of the hand was being able to make a fold even if you may or may have not made a mistake to that point. With the database of hands I was using I didn't find a lot better.

Thanks for your replies daaaaaaang16.
Just out of curiosity I'm assuming your putting villains range on QQ+ here? If we were to swap positions do you think we can profitably 3bet a bit light here, given stack sizes and the blinds/limpers? Thanks.

I think you can but I probably wouldn't do it too light yet without antes in play, we're still very deep and I would rather stay tight and look for really good spots to potentially win huge pots.

Two questions;

on the AQ hand, what would you have done had he checked the flop to you?

on the 88 set, why not check raise the turn an amount that the river bet is 70-80% of pot. With the amount you made it, it would have been harder to get a call had you pushed on the river? I only ask this as in other videos (Baluga Whale for eg), he advocates managing the pot in such a way that if someone is coming along, you get their entire stack on the river.

Thanks again for this series, very watchable.

If checked to me I likely check back and control the pot a bit, also if he checks to me twice I will likely know I'm best and look for some thin value.

For the other hand, yes I will make that size ch/ra a lot as well but in spots where I perceive huge strength. With this hand being 6 max and pretty straight forward preflop, I don't want to blow him off other hands that he might call some light bets with.

Thanks for the replies, I guess these are the spots where I have more to learn, bet sizing to ensure you get max value but not scare aware your opponents.

Time Link to 00:41:56

in this example where you flop a set and lead out, what would be your play if he raises you on the flop? would you flat call and check the turn hoping he bets again? or would you throw in a 4bet hoping he'll stack off light?

any thoughts?

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whats your cutoff for reraising an aggressive player on the button here?

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Surely in the situation you descibre here against a passive opponent getting it allin with top pair/avg kicker/backdoor FD and some funky gutshot backdoor str8 outs is going to be bad idea. As a passive player will have us in bad shape when then start being aggresive?

Time Link to 00:52:06

what whould you do with AQ/AJ/AT? in this spot..