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MTT Principles: Episode Two

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MTT Principles: Episode Two by daaaaaaang16

Daaaaaaang16 is back, this week talking about early game in MTTs.

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  • Game: mttsng
  • Stakes: Micro/Small Stakes
  • 69 minutes long
  • Posted about 1 year ago

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Feedmebooze

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A really good episode not to apply to much pressure but this series is starting to look like the definitive beginner MMT guide on the web imo. The pace was good really good, it had the right amount of power point and a really well thought through selection of hands in the replayer. All the stuff on betsizing was very helpful.

I've got a few questions about preflop raise size. So far i've been raising 3BB eairly game would but have been wondering if there is any benifit to varying it by position say 3BB EP, 2.75BB, MP 2.5BB LP.

Also a mid game question, but realated. What do you bring your preflop raise size down to? At the moment I 2.5BB it but I've started to notice a lot more min raising and was thinking of trying out 2.25BB. I know a lot of it depends on table texture. I'd be really interested to hear your thoughts if you'd be as kind as to save me breaking part of my game that doesn't need fixing on a theoretical fools errand lol.

Posted over 1 year ago

imakeutilt

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Ive been waiting all week for this. Cant wait to watch it.

Posted over 1 year ago

imakeutilt

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Ive been waiting all week for this. Cant wait to watch it.




Ok Im halfway through..I like the start and the powerpoints...I also think you should have went way deeper on odds and drawing hands...I mean its basic but to be a complete (or near complete course) it needs stuff like that..Otherwise this is the best video so far on the site for MTT's.

Posted over 1 year ago

daaaaaaang16

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A really good episode not to apply to much pressure but this series is starting to look like the definitive beginner MMT guide on the web imo. The pace was good really good, it had the right amount of power point and a really well thought through selection of hands in the replayer. All the stuff on betsizing was very helpful.

I've got a few questions about preflop raise size. So far i've been raising 3BB eairly game would but have been wondering if there is any benifit to varying it by position say 3BB EP, 2.75BB, MP 2.5BB LP.

Also a mid game question, but realated. What do you bring your preflop raise size down to? At the moment I 2.5BB it but I've started to notice a lot more min raising and was thinking of trying out 2.25BB. I know a lot of it depends on table texture. I'd be really interested to hear your thoughts if you'd be as kind as to save me breaking part of my game that doesn't need fixing on a theoretical fools errand lol.




Thanks for the kind words and I do hope that it can become the go to series for beginners and those new to MTTs.

First question.... I can understand the theory in changing by position but I just still to 3x until the stacks start to get shallower (usually 50/100 on stars and 60/120 on ftp). I think we're deep enough until now to keep it 3x from any position.

2nd question, anywhere from 2x-2.5x. This will change a little bit depending on the table. If min raises are getting through a lot at a tight table, then I'm just going to minraise.

Posted over 1 year ago

daaaaaaang16

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Ok Im halfway through..I like the start and the powerpoints...I also think you should have went way deeper on odds and drawing hands...I mean its basic but to be a complete (or near complete course) it needs stuff like that..Otherwise this is the best video so far on the site for MTT's.



Thanks for the advice, I am planning to add some further drawing/odds discussion for the next episode.

Posted over 1 year ago

imakeutilt

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Thanks for the advice, I am planning to add some further drawing/odds discussion for the next episode.




Yeah I know for me drawing hands and when to even bother chase them (sometimes implied odds and reverse implied odds come in to it)is a tough spot. PLEASE keep the powerpoint in the start of each hour with related hands after ..IMO its a great format. Also please make sure you go into hand ranges and dissecting the opponents hand range cause I was holdin my breath during the examples in episode 1 because you could be walking into trouble if you didnt have the right reads..BUT again GREAT series so far and I think Im looking into your coaching

Posted over 1 year ago

rrumsey

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dude im so excited. like the HH discussion. and dont be nervous. once you have a hand to explain your gold. GREAT JOB daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaang

btw have i ever told you your name is a little over the top? Poke Tongue jkjkjkjk

Posted over 1 year ago

RedHot

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Good video. There is a hand with AK and a two tone flop of T98 which you pretty much give up on. I can't link the time in because I can't get the video to work just now, probably due to my connection (bad weather).

I can see that this flop is awful for our hand, and that it hits a lot of other hands. However there are a good few hands that are going to be scared of this flop like we are. Is there any merit to taking one stab by cbetting the flop, and giving up if villain doesn't fold?

Posted over 1 year ago

daaaaaaang16

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Good video. There is a hand with AK and a two tone flop of T98 which you pretty much give up on. I can't link the time in because I can't get the video to work just now, probably due to my connection (bad weather).

I can see that this flop is awful for our hand, and that it hits a lot of other hands. However there are a good few hands that are going to be scared of this flop like we are. Is there any merit to taking one stab by cbetting the flop, and giving up if villain doesn't fold?



Yep, I hope that I got it across that I will c bet this board as well but a lot of the type will be dependent on the villian. If he has been a calling station preflop and folding post, thats the player I will be likely to cbet.

Posted over 1 year ago

Farmer108

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Time Link to 00:17:43

No blind discussion? What should be consider with what/when to defend? Is this too subjective, or are there general points that can be considered?

Posted over 1 year ago

Farmer108

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Ok, ignore last comment as the point is addressed later on. One question about the AQ hand. You chose to check/call, which I understand as we get to extract value over multiple streets, however as he open raised the hand preflop, do you see any merit in check/raising the flop? Depending on how tight the opponent is, we could be dominated by aces, kings, trips or jq two pair. Is this line worth taking, or am I looking for monsters under the bed?

Posted over 1 year ago

daaaaaaang16

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Ok, ignore last comment as the point is addressed later on. One question about the AQ hand. You chose to check/call, which I understand as we get to extract value over multiple streets, however as he open raised the hand preflop, do you see any merit in check/raising the flop? Depending on how tight the opponent is, we could be dominated by aces, kings, trips or jq two pair. Is this line worth taking, or am I looking for monsters under the bed?



I mean, its top pair top kicker, I would rather play a smaller pot early in the tourney with huge showdown value. If I check and he bets pot again on the turn I might reconsider, my goal is to get to showdown here with some value.

Posted over 1 year ago

Time2Cash

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love the series Smile still on episode 2 tho.

Posted over 1 year ago

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Time Link to 00:55:29

Are you folding if he jams over you on the river?

Posted over 1 year ago

daaaaaaang16

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Are you folding if he jams over you on the river?



No I'm getting it in i.

Posted over 1 year ago

corkeye

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Time Link to 00:53:17

You decide to check the turn when there's two flush draws out there. Aren't there too many occasions where he'll check back if he's flushing here with either draw?

So you give him zero credit for having a spade flush draw, what if it is a club?

Posted over 1 year ago

Fosters_Slim

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What if the club hits the river, how are you proceeding? When you check-raised the turn, you said it was a small re-raise. But his bet was 160, you came over his bet by over 3 times. Where you taking into consideration his bet and the pot size?

Posted over 1 year ago

vercasso

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Time Link to 00:15:19

You said you play any pair in early position and that you never limp.
So you raise in early position in the first levels with 22, 33, 44 ?

Posted over 1 year ago

captaingee

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hi, really enjoying this series as it suits my level and experience. Have to ask you a question on the 22 hand towards the end. IMO you only got paid because the QJ player was so weak, wouldn't any decent player have folded to your check raise on the turn? Assuming your read is the player is bad, I think you would have been paid had you pushed on the river since he caught his J. Assuming he does put you on a hand (doubtful the way he played), he can put you on a busted flush, a mid pair both of which he beats on the river, else a K, which he clearly wasn't scared of to have paid you on all 3 streets.

2nd question; at this level hitting a set on a relatively dry board is all about getting max value. Had you bet out on all 3 streets could you have adjusted your bet size to get more value? As I said before any decent player would have surely folded, but if he had KQ, AK or especially KJ I think you would have been paid off had you managed the pot to ensure maximum value.

Looking forward to the rest of the series!!!

Posted over 1 year ago

daaaaaaang16

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You decide to check the turn when there's two flush draws out there. Aren't there too many occasions where he'll check back if he's flushing here with either draw?

So you give him zero credit for having a spade flush draw, what if it is a club?



Being 6 handed and the game flow of the table I just felt that he was definitely capable of floating here and would bet the turn a ton. A lot of it just might read on the situation

Posted over 1 year ago

daaaaaaang16

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You decide to check the turn when there's two flush draws out there. Aren't there too many occasions where he'll check back if he's flushing here with either draw?

So you give him zero credit for having a spade flush draw, what if it is a club?



Being 6 handed and the game flow of the table I just felt that he was definitely capable of floating here and would bet the turn a ton. A lot of it just might read on the situation.

Had he jammed on me it would have definitely been a crappy spot but I highly doubt I would have folded.

Posted over 1 year ago

daaaaaaang16

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What if the club hits the river, how are you proceeding? When you check-raised the turn, you said it was a small re-raise. But his bet was 160, you came over his bet by over 3 times. Where you taking into consideration his bet and the pot size?



If a club hit the river I likely check call depending on the bet size. Yes on the turn I was calling it a small bet in relation to the pot.

Posted over 1 year ago

daaaaaaang16

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You said you play any pair in early position and that you never limp.
So you raise in early position in the first levels with 22, 33, 44 ?



Yessir, I open 3x from ep as long as we're still deep with big implied odds.

Posted over 1 year ago

daaaaaaang16

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hi, really enjoying this series as it suits my level and experience. Have to ask you a question on the 22 hand towards the end. IMO you only got paid because the QJ player was so weak, wouldn't any decent player have folded to your check raise on the turn? Assuming your read is the player is bad, I think you would have been paid had you pushed on the river since he caught his J. Assuming he does put you on a hand (doubtful the way he played), he can put you on a busted flush, a mid pair both of which he beats on the river, else a K, which he clearly wasn't scared of to have paid you on all 3 streets.

2nd question; at this level hitting a set on a relatively dry board is all about getting max value. Had you bet out on all 3 streets could you have adjusted your bet size to get more value? As I said before any decent player would have surely folded, but if he had KQ, AK or especially KJ I think you would have been paid off had you managed the pot to ensure maximum value.

Looking forward to the rest of the series!!!



I'm not so sure, sometimes people try and do some fancy things with weird hands/draws/etc.. especially in 6 max, but I do get what you're saying. On the river I did know that something like qj was in his range but he probably wasn't calling a shove, even being bad he doesn't want to go broke there.

Posted over 1 year ago

daaaaaaang16

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hi, really enjoying this series as it suits my level and experience. Have to ask you a question on the 22 hand towards the end. IMO you only got paid because the QJ player was so weak, wouldn't any decent player have folded to your check raise on the turn? Assuming your read is the player is bad, I think you would have been paid had you pushed on the river since he caught his J. Assuming he does put you on a hand (doubtful the way he played), he can put you on a busted flush, a mid pair both of which he beats on the river, else a K, which he clearly wasn't scared of to have paid you on all 3 streets.

2nd question; at this level hitting a set on a relatively dry board is all about getting max value. Had you bet out on all 3 streets could you have adjusted your bet size to get more value? As I said before any decent player would have surely folded, but if he had KQ, AK or especially KJ I think you would have been paid off had you managed the pot to ensure maximum value.

Looking forward to the rest of the series!!!



I may have been able to get a bit more value from the hand that he did have, but in some situations where he is purely floating with air (something you see more in 6max) then just getting some value on the turn is great. This hand may not be perfect but it shows you some different ideas and lines which I hope is helpful.

Posted over 1 year ago

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Daanng I had a question recently from MTT tournament It was deep stacked tournament early binds 50-100 had 25k my opponent the same folded to button the Button raises 350 I have AcQh I call from SB bb folds heads up board Qs 10c 5 h I bet 600 he calls turn As I check he shoves allin I fold Is there a better way to play this hand? he told me later that he had KJ for st! Also this guy from button this situation came up several times with him raising me from button always with wide range of hands like 66+ QTs Kts KJ I tried battling him back by 3betting from sb with different hands Any other comments you ahve will be appreciated! I love your videos

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daaaaaaang16

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Daanng I had a question recently from MTT tournament It was deep stacked tournament early binds 50-100 had 25k my opponent the same folded to button the Button raises 350 I have AcQh I call from SB bb folds heads up board Qs 10c 5 h I bet 600 he calls turn As I check he shoves allin I fold Is there a better way to play this hand? he told me later that he had KJ for st! Also this guy from button this situation came up several times with him raising me from button always with wide range of hands like 66+ QTs Kts KJ I tried battling him back by 3betting from sb with different hands Any other comments you ahve will be appreciated! I love your videos



Well the AQ hand it sounds like you ended up making a really good fold. Another route could be checking the turn and calling a river bet or obviously raising if you do fill up to a full house.

2nd part, yes its good to 3 bet a player who is opening very wide, but don't go out of your way to do it with marginal hands especially if he's flatting you a lot as he has position post flop.

Posted over 1 year ago

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daaaaaaang16

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if he pushes this turn do u call?




No, absolutely folding we don't have the equity to make that call. The ch/shove is profitable due to the fold equity we have.

Posted about 1 year ago

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Hi, thanks for putting the series together, I'm a bit late watching it- I wonder if you could elaborate on your reasoning for raising small pairs in EP 9-handed. To me at first glance it doesn't seem to be a good idea for the following reasons: Take pocket deuces for an example:
1. It's not going to be profitable to call a well sized 3-bet OOP deep-stacked when you will likely have to check/fold unless you hit a set. Maybe floating OOP to see if he fires again after you check flop is a good play sometimes, but even his bluff on the flop is going to have 6 clean outs to beat you on the turn. Also, the number of flop/turn combos that he bet/folds when you do hit a set reduce your implied odds significantly as you are only picking up a c-bet in this situation.
2. If you are just called and go to the flop multiway or even HU (quite likely in the lower buy-in tournaments Early Game) when you don't spike a set you are relying on a nearly pure bluff to take down the pot versus players who don't like to fold, and they are likely to have at least 6 outs to beat your hand when you don't improve. In the case of deuces, any pair on a flop without a 2 has you beat, and you are drawing slim to catch up.
3. I don't think it serves as well as a medium suited connector could to balance your c-betting range on flops. There are a lot more combos of flops/turns that a suited connector can continue on and get value because your perceived range doesn't connect that well (for instance, medium wet flops where an opponent may float you because he thinks you have overs). In the case of low pocket pairs the same is true, but there are far less opportunities to semi-bluff and be able to continue on turns unimproved, because you are drawing to 2 outs.

I can see making this play if the table is extremely nitty, but in a standard low-buyin MTT I think the combination of being OOP as the PFR with low fold-equity on a lot of turns after being called on the flop makes it a bit too thin, and possibly unprofitable. Am I missing something here?

Posted about 1 year ago

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Why not just shove the 88 at 36:19? If he has Ax or a straight he's not folding. The other option that might work is betting small to see if you can get him to spaz out and check/shove a busted draw. However, if you pot it on the river, you might prevent him from spazzing out.

Posted 11 months ago

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why do you donkbet in stead of check/raise?? i learned to not donkbet ever...can you explain please?

Posted 9 months ago

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