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Poker Video: Pot-Limit Omaha by gergery (Mid Stakes)

v happy to see greg with a series.i really like the way he is presenting his thought process in all of his vids. it all seems to the point, very logical, considering every relevant factor at the table. the type of content we need at the site, imo.

why episode 5 ??? thought it is the debut ob the mini series? i am confused...

NIT

Very good video. I like how both you and michaelsc has notes on what your going to focus o in the video.. Maybe you two could make a PLO series together next?

Anyway, 15:50 in the video the villain donks out ($30 into $55) on the turn, Q85T board, after calling your raise on the flop (the T gives a flushdraw). If the turn had been a low card, a deuce or a three, is this a 'clear' call or still a fold? You're holdning 6865.
I agree with your points that donkbets are mostly weak and I see them often use as a semibluff, they hope to take down the pot, but if they gets called they got a strong enough hand to build a pot with.. If that makes sense.

I'm currently playing PLO without a tracker, but I'm probably going to buy PTO. My primary use of the software will be to keep track of my own hands and to find leaks in my own game. Do you think it's worth having the HUD also? Alot of people says that stats aren't as important in PLO as in NLH, and since I'm only playing 2-4 tables, there's a smaller risk of me autopiloting (.. I hope ).
If I decide to use the HUD, what stats are important in PLO, it doesn't feel like it's the same as in NLH.. Except VPIP, PRF and hands..


Thanks

why episode 5 ??? thought it is the debut ob the mini series? i am confused...

ah i see... was just an error and is corrected now... sorry for me being so confused...

Sorry, but this was like watching paint dry, only good points in this one, was for note taking, but the playing itself was horrible... Coulnd't even force myself to watch it all the way through... Kind of a shame, as the intro was nice and promising.

Also, don't give teasers about judging people after their vpip and pfr, without actually being able to do so

Prolly worst vid i've seen on DC

Sorry, but this was like watching paint dry, only good points in this one, was for note taking, but the playing itself was horrible... Coulnd't even force myself to watch it all the way through... Kind of a shame, as the intro was nice and promising.

Also, don't give teasers about judging people after their vpip and pfr, without actually being able to do so

Prolly worst vid i've seen on DC

It really helps to give constructive criticism in spots like these, just FWIW. Gergery's been a winning PLO player for a long time so it'd be nice to see what things you disagree with as far as how he plays and why.

Rob

It really helps to give constructive criticism in spots like these, just FWIW. Gergery's been a winning PLO player for a long time so it'd be nice to see what things you disagree with as far as how he plays and why.

Rob

I kinda have to agree with poster above. I watch almost exclusively PLO vids and this was kinda blank.
Lets see:
1) Analysis on stats is kind of useless in 30 hand sample. Its good as a concept, but in reality we all know what large VPIP and low aggr factor means. If you do in depth analysis on micro sample for educational reasons - do it on non-traditional numbers like what high WTS means in PLO? What kind of player has low W$WSF? What W$SD averages for good player, what other stats are important for plo.
2) Note taking again... good as a concept but in this case way overextensive given small hand sample. In real world you cant make that much notes in 30 hands (obv you can but they will be inaccurate and hence useless if not misleading). Also some notes contrindicated and canceled each other.
3)The play itself was kinda depressing. I dont know how to tell it better but it was uneventful. Few interesting spots wasnt analyzed well enough while electing to just fold.

I have no doubts about Gergery being winning player and i hope next vids will show us why, but for this episode content-wise i must say it didnt meet high DC standards.

As a PLo player and thinker of the game, I have to step up and defend Greg here. First of all, his play was outstanding in terms of a low variance grind style that is so profitable at the low and even mid stakes. I can understand the negativity because after all, watching someone grind can be very boring.

The question you people have to ask yourself is this, Do you want to learn a clean solid style that is a money maker? Or do you want to watch crazy cats shipping stacks left and right?

As someone that is comming over from NLHE.

I found this video very helpful.

Also Greg does a nice job of comminicating his thought process.

Very nice.

GJ Greg!

I kinda have to agree with poster above. I watch almost exclusively PLO vids and this was kinda blank.
Lets see:
1) Analysis on stats is kind of useless in 30 hand sample. Its good as a concept, but in reality we all know what large VPIP and low aggr factor means. If you do in depth analysis on micro sample for educational reasons - do it on non-traditional numbers like what high WTS means in PLO? What kind of player has low W$WSF? What W$SD averages for good player, what other stats are important for plo.
2) Note taking again... good as a concept but in this case way overextensive given small hand sample. In real world you cant make that much notes in 30 hands (obv you can but they will be inaccurate and hence useless if not misleading). Also some notes contrindicated and canceled each other.
3)The play itself was kinda depressing. I dont know how to tell it better but it was uneventful. Few interesting spots wasnt analyzed well enough while electing to just fold.

I have no doubts about Gergery being winning player and i hope next vids will show us why, but for this episode content-wise i must say it didnt meet high DC standards.

+1 very well said

It's great to see Gergery back, but this video was a bit of a slide in terms of quality. Greg is the best Omaha communicator on this site with regards to his decision-making process, and therefore it's important that his videos place him in as many problem spots as possible. For the predated disappointed posters, I would encourage you to see some of his other videos, all of which are better than this mediocrity.

Sorry Greg, you were too much of a nit. I would encourage you to make some future videos with Joe Tall (we can only hope), Vanessa, or Parlay Slow riding shotgun. Watching you play like a nit really isn't much fun, although you were running badly. I'd also also enjoy a series on PLO8 of which there is exactly ONE video on this site (yours, natch). Anyway, the community is glad to have you back, but you're going to be taking a hit on this one.

The Profiling Part of the Video was good but you should choose a strong player to make notes of in my opinion and not a Loose passive Fish. Your playstyle was really nity, but i think its the best style, when you play against loose passive callingstations. So my suggestion is that you should profile a good Tag/Lag next time and try to exploit his Leaks, because i think that is more interesting than profiling a player whos Game is full of Leaks like Tiltopapa.

At 36 min you openfold QT97 suited to the queen on the cutoff.

WTF!?!? You don't need to play like vanessa but that's just plain ridiculous, it's like folding AT/AJ on the cutoff in hold'em imo which is just absurd... I really hope that was a brainfart

OMG... just about the weakest and least creative plo vid ever.

Very good video. I like how both you and michaelsc has notes on what your going to focus o in the video.. Maybe you two could make a PLO series together next?

Anyway, 15:50 in the video the villain donks out ($30 into $55) on the turn, Q85T board, after calling your raise on the flop (the T gives a flushdraw). If the turn had been a low card, a deuce or a three, is this a 'clear' call or still a fold? You're holdning 6865.
I agree with your points that donkbets are mostly weak and I see them often use as a semibluff, they hope to take down the pot, but if they gets called they got a strong enough hand to build a pot with.. If that makes sense.

I'm currently playing PLO without a tracker, but I'm probably going to buy PTO. My primary use of the software will be to keep track of my own hands and to find leaks in my own game. Do you think it's worth having the HUD also? Alot of people says that stats aren't as important in PLO as in NLH, and since I'm only playing 2-4 tables, there's a smaller risk of me autopiloting (.. I hope ).
If I decide to use the HUD, what stats are important in PLO, it doesn't feel like it's the same as in NLH.. Except VPIP, PRF and hands..

Thanks

Hi,
With the 5668 hand, if a low card hit I'd have gone with my read on him, either calling or more likely putting him all-in on the turn. His flop donk-bet then call, then half-pot turn lead is most often a weakish hand that improved somewhat and Qx and straightening cards between Q-8 are his most likely hands here.

I would definitely buy PTO, and i use it alot. The HUD is pretty valuable. While its not AS important as in NL, its still very helpful. DJSensei has a link to his blog on what stats he uses, which i think are pretty good ones to use. VPIP, PFR, postflop aggr, cbet and c/r (and hands played) are probably the major stats i use most often, but i look at a bunch of others too.

At 36 min you openfold QT97 suited to the queen on the cutoff.

WTF!?!? You don't need to play like vanessa but that's just plain ridiculous, it's like folding AT/AJ on the cutoff in hold'em imo which is just absurd... I really hope that was a brainfart

i don't remember that spot, but that is normally an easy raise, so ....misclick ?

I kinda have to agree with poster above. I watch almost exclusively PLO vids and this was kinda blank.
Lets see:
1) Analysis on stats is kind of useless in 30 hand sample. Its good as a concept, but in reality we all know what large VPIP and low aggr factor means. If you do in depth analysis on micro sample for educational reasons - do it on non-traditional numbers like what high WTS means in PLO? What kind of player has low W$WSF? What W$SD averages for good player, what other stats are important for plo.
2) Note taking again... good as a concept but in this case way overextensive given small hand sample. In real world you cant make that much notes in 30 hands (obv you can but they will be inaccurate and hence useless if not misleading). Also some notes contrindicated and canceled each other.
3)The play itself was kinda depressing. I dont know how to tell it better but it was uneventful. Few interesting spots wasnt analyzed well enough while electing to just fold.

I have no doubts about Gergery being winning player and i hope next vids will show us why, but for this episode content-wise i must say it didnt meet high DC standards.

Thanks for the comments -- i appreciate the specific feedback, and sorry it didn't meet your standards. A few response:
This video was intended to be on profiling and note-taking. The idea was to use basic PTO data -- VPIP and PFR only (due to the lower sample size needed) -- and notes on how specific hands were played to generate a reasonable accurate profile on a player that can then be used to project how they'll play in specific situations in the future.
So,
1) The idea was to get away from relying on PTO #'s too heavily, precisely because the large majority of PTO numbers need a large sample size to be relevant. So the purpose of the video was not to dive deeply into PTO or explain it, but instead the opposite. Similarly, we all know what a large vpip and low agg factor mean, but we don't all know what situations those apply to, which was why we were taking notes. ie. If the low agg factor player bets, must it be a set, or can it be top two pair? can it be a huge draw? PTO tells you he's passive, but it doesnt tell you WHERE he's passive.

2) In my experience, notes based on actual hands played is more accurate than using purely PTO data, and is much faster for gathering data. For example, yesterday i saw a player open utg, cbet vs 1 opponent on a QTs7s board, then c/r when a 7 hit on the turn and show down A4s5s8 Based on that, i know he's fairly loose, he'll cbet as a bluff even on boards that likely hit his opponent so he's a high cbettor, he's very aggressive, and he's willing to represent hands like sets that many would play that way, so he's a thinking player. that's a lot of info to gather than you might never get to just using PTO.

I also strongly disagree that you can't take good notes in 30 hands. Based on just one hand above i got a good profile on someone. you may say that can be inaccurate, and sure, it might be. But poker is a game of probabilities -- and the probability that this opponent is very aggressive is MUCH higher than the probability that he is passive, although it is certainly POSSIBLE that he's very passive in general and just tilted on one hand.

3) My play was a bit tighter in this video than I normally play but not hugely so. My typical stats are around 25/14 which is close to what quite a few top players including Urindanger and MarkusGolser have so it not overly nitty, tho definitely on the tighter side. There may have been a couple hands where i folded as I was thinking more about notes or talking, I dunno. As for "depressing", I don't know what to say , i play the way that i think wins

Sorry, there may not have been enough spots where i could include good reads, and not enough spots where I could act on them. I just take the notes as i play. So I apologize if the video didn't live up to what i was trying to do with it. hopefully future ones will be better. or perhaps i won't do profiling vids again if they don't seem helpful to you guys.

But please keep giving feedback, and I'll try to incorporate it.
Greg

hi sir, 11.19sec you are dealt AsJsJx7x on the cut of. UTG limps, then folded you FOLD

is this a missclick or are you really folded that hand?

for the first part i dont want to be rude but i am really astonished about the play

Hi,
I just joined, so sorry if this is obvious question that has been asked many times before (did a search but came up empty)

Is the word/notepad document you were making comments from and gave some structure to your video available for download for members?

Please let me know as I feel I would benefit from having the "Lesson Guide Summary" available when I watch the video and for re-enforcement afterward.

Thanks for this vid. You've opened some doors that I did not know existed. Having watched your note-taking and profiling, I can see why you are a winner.