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Poker Video: Misc/Other by WiltOnTilt (Micro/Small Stakes)

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sounds like it would be an awesome series!

great vid again, Aaron

Awesome vid.

Especially liked the "Non-monetary performance metrics" and the durrr quote.

One thing to add about relative development vs your peers. There'll be variance at the tables which will differ your results, but also a learning variance. Aejones has talked about it basically like if you do a bad play and lose a few times in a row with it you'll pay a lot more attention to resolving it (and realizing it's bad) compared to if you ran hot and won with it a few times. (ie. 5betting AQ vs a very tight 4betting range and running into AA/KK a lot, compared to running into JJ and thinking it's fine). I guess there's also variance in picking the video to watch, concentrating on learning materials at the right time, etc too.

Awesome vid.

Especially liked the "Non-monetary performance metrics" and the durrr quote.

One thing to add about relative development vs your peers. There'll be variance at the tables which will differ your results, but also a learning variance. Aejones has talked about it basically like if you do a bad play and lose a few times in a row with it you'll pay a lot more attention to resolving it (and realizing it's bad) compared to if you ran hot and won with it a few times. (ie. 5betting AQ vs a very tight 4betting range and running into AA/KK a lot, compared to running into JJ and thinking it's fine). I guess there's also variance in picking the video to watch, concentrating on learning materials at the right time, etc too.

Yea good points

great vid again, Aaron

Thanks buddy

Awasome video like the rest of this series. Think this was one of the best so far!

Aaron-

As for the topic of constantly trying to improve. A way of doing this that helps me is looking at each individual hand as an opportunity to out think my opponents and make correct choices on each street. In doing so i find that it helps me stay in the moment during a hand or session and constantly trying to make the best play.

Aaron-

As for the topic of constantly trying to improve. A way of doing this that helps me is looking at each individual hand as an opportunity to out think my opponents and make correct choices on each street. In doing so i find that it helps me stay in the moment during a hand or session and constantly trying to make the best play.

very well said and great advice for everyone, regardless of skill level

One suggestion to DC - please release more VIDS (esp ones with HH review, or the one like this) in mp3 format

I, and many others don`t have time to watch all the vids, esp HHreview/near poker related topics - but i would VERY love to listen to them when anway from PC, in my walkman

add more mp3 formats please

great one WOT thx for series

I'm 99.9 percent sure you were talking about me in the college kid part.I'm going to take your advice in cutting a % of my sessions into less tables and focusing on actually getting better at poker as when i think about my goals in poker they don't stop at making a few thousand from rakeback i want to play higher and become a really good player so if that is my true goal i need to focus more on other things like you said like study watching videos e.t.c so i don't become a zombie clicking buttons ty.

If there was zombies in poker id be the one making the videos

Great vid , really looking forward to the next one

I'm 99.9 percent sure you were talking about me in the college kid part.I'm going to take your advice in cutting a % of my sessions into less tables and focusing on actually getting better at poker as when i think about my goals in poker they don't stop at making a few thousand from rakeback i want to play higher and become a really good player so if that is my true goal i need to focus more on other things like you said like study watching videos e.t.c so i don't become a zombie clicking buttons ty.

Like I mentioned in the video, there's more than one way to skin a cat, so if you have no desires to move up and just wanna grindgrindgrind then there is absolutely nothing wrong with your plan! Hopefully though you can try to get the best of both worlds though. Be sure to let us know how it's going.

Like I mentioned in the video, there's more than one way to skin a cat, so if you have no desires to move up and just wanna grindgrindgrind then there is absolutely nothing wrong with your plan! Hopefully though you can try to get the best of both worlds though. Be sure to let us know how it's going.

Well i do have aspirationsto move up so finding the equal balace of grinding studying and shiz will be a challenge but ill update ty,

Thanks for another great video. I don't comment much, but I watch all of your stuff. This one comes at a good time as I am currently asking myself how I can possibly have worked so long and hard and still have so far to go.

I got sent here by the DC twitter

do you have a question about Pokersense? Want to discuss what makes a good #poker player? Ask @WiltonTilt in the forums! http://ow.ly/3yTUC

But for some reason I thought you were doing a well and it wasn't just going to link me to the pokersense thread.

So now I think the only way for DC to right their deception of me is for you to do a well.

You could probably just ask him what you want to know in this thread.

Like when are we going to hear more about clowns? Much was touted about the clowns and clowning early on, but instead we are given all these things about learning about poker instead.

You could probably just ask him what you want to know in this thread.

Like when are we going to hear more about clowns? Much was touted about the clowns and clowning early on, but instead we are given all these things about learning about poker instead.

you're right. I'm gonna need an episode 10.

This video got me thinking about how some guys get so good at poker without the tools that are pretty much mandatory for everyone else to get good. i.e. how do you think guys like ivey, antonius, sahamies ect got good without poker forums and poker stove? also guys like isildur1 and the dang brothers (tho they prob are familiar with pokerstove, but i dont think they participate in forums?)

This video got me thinking about how some guys get so good at poker without the tools that are pretty much mandatory for everyone else to get good. i.e. how do you think guys like ivey, antonius, sahamies ect got good without poker forums and poker stove? also guys like isildur1 and the dang brothers (tho they prob are familiar with pokerstove, but i dont think they participate in forums?)

Hard to say exactly but I bet it's some combination of (no particular order, not necessarily equal weight, not necessarily applies to each of them):

Natural knack to estimate probabilities (the whole "i think he's got it this time" really just means "i think he's very likely to have it this time"), learning in a softer environment, less information known on average, use of more physical tie breakers, naturally good at game flow/leveling/anticipation (this is the biggest one probably), willingness to be wrong and not have it effect them, positive variance at key times, high level of confidence, high level of motivation to put in volume (get better by doing, not just by studying) and probably more i can't think of now.

Perhaps if they used some of the methods I talk about, they would have risen even faster to the top? Hard to imagine it would have ever slowed them down.

Also it's worth pointing out that all of them, i'm pretty sure, have had some type of forum replacement. It's pretty well known that ivey and greenstein did/do talk a lot of poker. Antonius and sahamies were friends before they both made it up there i think. Dang brothers had each other and made friends w/ some other online pros (galfond?). Not sure about isildur.

It's sort of like the athletes that make it to the top on natural skill alone vs the guys who are perhaps a notch or two below but make up for it for hard work and making key plays at key times to get there. Then there are still others who will perhaps never be in the major leagues but are still solid in the minors, or others yet who were good enough to compete at the college level, or maybe just pick up games with their coworkers after college, or the high school stars, or middle school, or kid's leagues. Everyone has their own level of where they start off naturally and the amount of hard work (and smart work) they are willing to put in to make it to the top of where they can get.

Out of all the poker players, there are really just a handful that end up being pointed to and people say "well so-and-so never did any of that math stuff, or watched videos, or posted on forums and look at how great they are. Why should i have to do any of that stuff?". I'm not suggesting that's what you are saying (in fact I know you aren't) but there are many who feel that way, and to those I would say go back and re-watch the episodes on biases and fallacies