Poker Video: MTT/SNG by AMT (Micro/Small Stakes)

Time Link to 00:34:20

I accidentally said that A7o is flipping with 87s, ack! I just meant if they are crazy and get it in with a non 7x SC (65s/64s/98s/etc) I wouldn't be dominating them by any means/they'd very very often have a lot of pot equity. Sorry for the implication, just a misspeak with the exact SC I happened to use as the example on the fly there..

Time Link to 00:05:49

Hey dude, if the stacks in the blinds were say in the 20ish BB range, would that make the AJ hand a reraise shove then?

From my experience at close to this buyin level is when you see people minraise in blinds and antes it means one of 3 things:
1. they are bad and min raising bc they wanna open super wide
2. they are wannabe pro regs who have a clue but are still opening too much
3. decently good player that isnt opening too wide and is try to induce.

The 3rd seems rare to me. granted im not playing the $16 level and im not on stars ( i think stars has a slightly better player pool in general) so this maybe off. would you agree with this kinda assement?

Time Link to 00:08:22

i think another point on this hand is that he is 3xing. when people are short and 3xing it is a massive tell imo that they A. are a donk who doesnt know how to bet size correctly, so we know he isnt very good. And B. he is NEVER folding after and early position open. i would say 8's is close. 7's is an easy fold bc he is probably open calling q10 and crap like that and thats got us in trouble a lot.

Hey dude, if the stacks in the blinds were say in the 20ish BB range, would that make the AJ hand a reraise shove then?

Definitely more attractive to shove there IMO. That said it could still be a fold. Just don't have a lot of information on him. If I'd seen him open a lot of pots I'd probably just stick it in here, but say for example he's opening something like 55+/A9s+/KTs+/QTs+/JTs+/ATo+/KTo+/QTo+ (or ~16%), if he's calling off ~11% of his opening range to a jam from us, even if we were in the cutoff (thereby reducing the risk of overcalls behind us), AJs would be profitable here but AJo wouldn't be. Of course, it's fair to say he may be opening wider than that, calling tighter than that etc... especially with bigger stacks behind us than these guys in the blinds, but I think it'd be tough to just assume these things without more info, so would rather err on the side of caution with a workable stack/other ominous stacks behind. If it folded to me in the BB, I'd definitely just say "F it" and stick it in (or even if it folded to me in the SB and BB had a 20bb stack or w/e).

would you agree with this kinda assement?

Seems reasonable, but they could just be bad players whose default raise size is minimum too (and aren't necessarily opening too wide so much as just bad at poker ). Also good players can use this size often, but doesn't necessarily have to be to induce---it could be, but, especially with your scenario of bigger stacks in the blinds, they could still easily just be looking to steal the pot cheap and intend to raise/fold.

i think another point on this hand is that he is 3xing. when people are short and 3xing it is a massive tell imo that they A. are a donk who doesnt know how to bet size correctly, so we know he isnt very good. And B. he is NEVER folding after and early position open. i would say 8's is close. 7's is an easy fold bc he is probably open calling q10 and crap like that and thats got us in trouble a lot.

Not quite 3x, as the blinds are 250/500 at this point (Note top left corner where the blinds are---I know it's confusing cause the animations indicate less. I think HEM removes the antes and stuff so it looks kind of funky). Regardless, agreed, certainly a scary raise size at close to 3x and doesn't really make the situation better for us by any means.

Time Link to 00:41:47

So based on the fact that you're getting 9:1 odds here, what would be your range for flat calling behind as well? I realize that 10-7o is pretty bad, but 9:1 seems pretty good, and you are closing the action, even if it is for 8% of your stack.

Hi Zogs,

So based on the fact that you're getting 9:1 odds here, what would be your range for flat calling behind as well? I realize that 10-7o is pretty bad, but 9:1 seems pretty good, and you are closing the action, even if it is for 8% of your stack.

I have absolutely no interest in calling here and I think it would be very bad tbh. We're not even happy flopping a pair here most of the time, and have very little in the way of implied odds with offsuit gappers this short IMO. We're in the worst position to try and get value if we do flop something also, where both leads and check/raises look extremely strong in big multi way pots. I'd be much happier trying to reserve my edge for pushing, be it opening or re-stealing over opens when I have a much better chance to take down the pot and chip up uncontested (or at least getting my money in in a good spot).

Any calling here that you do would likely be considered 'hooding', a term frequently used in the mid and high stakes MTT community to describe unconventional spots for peeling light...spots that are 'nonstandard' but potentially profitable spots based on the dynamic. These usually happen with good reads or a good feel for what's going on at the table with game flow considerations (something that isn't nearly as common in low stakes turbos given the small samples and quick structures). I'd probably go for the 'hood flat' here with a hand like T8s, 76s, possibly 44...hands that I don't think are good enough to re-steal with but that can flop well enough to get in and get paid vs. short stacks enough of the time vs. the players at the table to the extent to which I feel it'll likely be profitable. T7o really is a *lot* worse of a hand than T9s (though you can argue for folding T9s too IMO, it'd be a far better flat here than the T7). Either way, we're going to be check/folding most of the time, and my range for peeling here really is not nearly as wide as you might think it would be getting attractive pot odds. Stack preservation is a really huge factor here (and a potentially underrated one), and our hand is just very mediocre.

Hope that helps explain my stance a bit more and apologies for not spending more time on that spot in-game.

Definitely more attractive to shove there IMO. That said it could still be a fold. Just don't have a lot of information on him. If I'd seen him open a lot of pots I'd probably just stick it in here, but say for example he's opening something like 55+/A9s+/KTs+/QTs+/JTs+/ATo+/KTo+/QTo+ (or ~16%), if he's calling off ~11% of his opening range to a jam from us, even if we were in the cutoff (thereby reducing the risk of overcalls behind us), AJs would be profitable here but AJo wouldn't be. Of course, it's fair to say he may be opening wider than that, calling tighter than that etc... especially with bigger stacks behind us than these guys in the blinds, but I think it'd be tough to just assume these things without more info, so would rather err on the side of caution with a workable stack/other ominous stacks behind. If it folded to me in the BB, I'd definitely just say "F it" and stick it in (or even if it folded to me in the SB and BB had a 20bb stack or w/e).

Sorry, this is a bit misleading. Those ranges/%s hold true for a 3x open here, but villain opened minimum in this particular spot. Generally speaking though, a smaller open means less $$ in the pot which means we should be less apt to go for stealing it. If we think this means that, as a result of the raise size, he's quite a bit wider/will fold a lot to shoves compared to the aforementioned, then of course we have something to consider, but the fact that someone opened smaller in and of itself in a given situation is less of a reason to resteal. Apologies for any confusion there.

Sorry, this is a bit misleading. Those ranges/%s hold true for a 3x open here, but villain opened minimum in this particular spot. Generally speaking though, a smaller open means less $$ in the pot which means we should be less apt to go for stealing it. If we think this means that, as a result of the raise size, he's quite a bit wider/will fold a lot to shoves compared to the aforementioned, then of course we have something to consider, but the fact that someone opened smaller in and of itself in a given situation is less of a reason to resteal. Apologies for any confusion there.

great points thanks amt

Hi Zogs,




I have absolutely no interest in calling here and I think it would be very bad tbh. We're not even happy flopping a pair here most of the time, and have very little in the way of implied odds with offsuit gappers this short IMO. We're in the worst position to try and get value if we do flop something also, where both leads and check/raises look extremely strong in big multi way pots. I'd be much happier trying to reserve my edge for pushing, be it opening or re-stealing over opens when I have a much better chance to take down the pot and chip up uncontested (or at least getting my money in in a good spot).

Any calling here that you do would likely be considered 'hooding', a term frequently used in the mid and high stakes MTT community to describe unconventional spots for peeling light...spots that are 'nonstandard' but potentially profitable spots based on the dynamic. These usually happen with good reads or a good feel for what's going on at the table with game flow considerations (something that isn't nearly as common in low stakes turbos given the small samples and quick structures). I'd probably go for the 'hood flat' here with a hand like T8s, 76s, possibly 44...hands that I don't think are good enough to re-steal with but that can flop well enough to get in and get paid vs. short stacks enough of the time vs. the players at the table to the extent to which I feel it'll likely be profitable. T7o really is a *lot* worse of a hand than T9s (though you can argue for folding T9s too IMO, it'd be a far better flat here than the T7). Either way, we're going to be check/folding most of the time, and my range for peeling here really is not nearly as wide as you might think it would be getting attractive pot odds. Stack preservation is a really huge factor here (and a potentially underrated one), and our hand is just very mediocre.

Hope that helps explain my stance a bit more and apologies for not spending more time on that spot in-game.

Thanks, that was a great explanation.

Time Link to 00:53:23

To hazard an answer to your question, I'd find hands like A3s, KJo,JTs, 22 or A7o close between shoving and calling. Would any of these be obvious decisions for you?

Thanks for the vid, like that even when you have an easy decision, you give in-depth explanations on what would be close for you. Also enjoyed the cat cameo!

Thanks Jenium!

Think I'd shove JTs and KJo fairly confidently given the size of the all in/amount of likely overlay in the pot. The A3s/22 type hands seem a lot closer to me primarily due to how poorly they may play if we do get called here and have to show down.