Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by KRANTZ (High Stakes)

What a great start for a early morning! :coffee:

A note from Fwf:

Early in the vids when jay donks out the AJ OOP and bets the turn and ships the river -

"While jamming in the spot is +EV, c/c'ing is better. All draws that called 2x and have no showdown value may bluff. You also want to have a c/c range in this spot so you won't always have to bluff. It's a spot where jay's bluffing range is wider than the calling range."

This is better than the christmas presents i got this year.

"its hard to access the psychology of a huge fish"

great vid. great series. thx a lot.

Hey FWF, you started listing out adjustments make against light 3bettors IP, but didn't get further than #1 - Open tighter. What were the others?

Also, against the players that are 3betting IP constantly, as we tighten our opening range, is it also correct to widen our 4betting range (for value and bluffs)?

Jay, FWF recently the small stakes like 1/2 and 2/4 and even lower on 6max on stars have been infested with light 3 betters. They are making my life difficult and won't let me open as much as i'd like. What especially pisses me off is that they cold call my 4 bets instead of shoving/ folding. What range do you 4 bet against someone who 3 bets 15% of his hands? What about 7-10%? What range is good to cold call? Is it better to polarize your 4 betting range against these opponents or just 4bet a value range? I've made some adjustments like opening for 3 BBs instead of 4, and tightening up my opening ranges but it's seriously hurting my ability to play with fish and maneuver post flop.

Jay, FWF recently the small stakes like 1/2 and 2/4 and even lower on 6max on stars have been infested with light 3 betters. They are making my life difficult and won't let me open as much as i'd like. What especially pisses me off is that they cold call my 4 bets instead of shoving/ folding. What range do you 4 bet against someone who 3 bets 15% of his hands? What about 7-10%? What range is good to cold call? Is it better to polarize your 4 betting range against these opponents or just 4bet a value range? I've made some adjustments like opening for 3 BBs instead of 4, and tightening up my opening ranges but it's seriously hurting my ability to play with fish and maneuver post flop.

You might try this:
http://cts687.livejournal.com/14591.html

If you have an idea of what the specific villain is 3-betting and calling your 4-bets with, you can further tailor your shoving range against it. The variance sounds sick though, lol.

A note from Fwf:

Early in the vids when jay donks out the AJ OOP and bets the turn and ships the river -

"While jamming in the spot is +EV, c/c'ing is better. All draws that called 2x and have no showdown value may bluff. You also want to have a c/c range in this spot so you won't always have to bluff. It's a spot where jay's bluffing range is wider than the calling range."

Thanks, on the same hand I was wondering what Jay does if he gets raised after the donk on the flop. I mean its not an easy fold when you take a strange line into an agro player.

You might try this:
http://cts687.livejournal.com/14591.html

If you have an idea of what the specific villain is 3-betting and calling your 4-bets with, you can further tailor your shoving range against it. The variance sounds sick though, lol.

Any competent villain will exploit the hell out of you shoving any Ax hand over a 3 bet. You'll end up dominated in a lot of spots. I think a combination of bluff and value 4 bets should fare much better.

fwf is tha bomb!

FWF the hand early where Krantz donks the AJ in a 3 bet pot OOP vs traheho is an interesting spot that I have a couple questions about. The fact that he is on the button and given what you know about him leaves his range some what wide and light for 3 betting Krantz in that spot. So I like his line of donking with TPTK. But How do we adjust if a different villian has a more narrow 3 betting range and say we donk and he raises or shoves the turn over our double donk. Vs. that particular villian and his range I like the play but vs a narrow range don't you think we kind of leave our selves in an awkward spot by donking. So I want to know how you would adjust your play post flop vs a nittier range?

FWF the hand early where Krantz donks the AJ in a 3 bet pot OOP vs traheho is an interesting spot that I have a couple questions about. The fact that he is on the button and given what you know about him leaves his range some what wide and light for 3 betting Krantz in that spot. So I like his line of donking with TPTK. But How do we adjust if a different villian has a more narrow 3 betting range and say we donk and he raises or shoves the turn over our double donk. Vs. that particular villian and his range I like the play but vs a narrow range don't you think we kind of leave our selves in an awkward spot by donking. So I want to know how you would adjust your play post flop vs a nittier range?

vs a tighter range and more in-line opponent i would not lead the flop almost ever

vs a tighter range and more in-line opponent i would not lead the flop almost ever

So Vs this guy its always a stack off if he raises the flop or turn?

I didn't like the river shove on the AJdd hand because I don't think we are a favorite over the calling range on the river (that is the main assumption of a value bet right?). I would say it's not even close, when he calls we win 20% of the time maybe as a wild guess. When I was watching I did say to myself "There's no value in betting this river... when he calls we must be beat... and we are...".
FWF drew the attention out of the shove when villain turned up a rivered suckout, but imo that doesn't matter because he's not calling the river if he doesn't river 2 pair. It's not a fair assumption to consider that calling the flop and turn would commit the villain to call the river with the pair of Ts alone. You are betting 3 times into the preflop 3 better for 200bb total, do you really think he'll have worse than tptk more than 50% of the time when he calls the 3 streets? (even with favorable facts like CO vs BTN, good board for tptk...)
My alternative line is probably to c/f the river, I think it is close if we check and he shoves, but shoving ourselves to avoid this spot is not a good reason. I don't agree with FWF when he says that the shoving range of the villain is wider than the calling range. Villain is not calling 2 streets with that many draws, and a reasonable part of the calling range on the river are crying calls from hands that would check behind.
Where am I wrong?

Anyway very good video, probably the best in this series.

I didn't like the river shove on the AJdd hand because I don't think we are a favorite over the calling range on the river (that is the main assumption of a value bet right?). I would say it's not even close, when he calls we win 20% of the time maybe as a wild guess. When I was watching I did say to myself "There's no value in betting this river... when he calls we must be beat... and we are...".
FWF drew the attention out of the shove when villain turned up a rivered suckout, but imo that doesn't matter because he's not calling the river if he doesn't river 2 pair. It's not a fair assumption to consider that calling the flop and turn would commit the villain to call the river with the pair of Ts alone. You are betting 3 times into the preflop 3 better for 200bb total, do you really think he'll have worse than tptk more than 50% of the time when he calls the 3 streets? (even with favorable facts like CO vs BTN, good board for tptk...)
My alternative line is probably to c/f the river, I think it is close if we check and he shoves, but shoving ourselves to avoid this spot is not a good reason. I don't agree with FWF when he says that the shoving range of the villain is wider than the calling range. Villain is not calling 2 streets with that many draws, and a reasonable part of the calling range on the river are crying calls from hands that would check behind.
Where am I wrong?

Anyway very good video, probably the best in this series.

Jay's hand looks like nuts or nothing, and traheho is willing to back up reads with a decent amount of $. Not sure you can just say "he rarely peels draws twice" and "he doesn't call w/much worse" with as much confidence as you have here. But yeah, it is thin,

i disagree that it's thin, i'm getting called by alec by every one pair hand+ and sometimes ace high and don't think it's close (we have extensive history in 6m and HU games, if we didn't have that history it would be quite closer... still nowhere near only a 20% winner though)

Hey FWF, you started listing out adjustments make against light 3bettors IP, but didn't get further than #1 - Open tighter. What were the others?

Also, against the players that are 3betting IP constantly, as we tighten our opening range, is it also correct to widen our 4betting range (for value and bluffs)?

tighten up your opening range and widen your 4 betting range. Call rarely and go nutso on him when he 3 bets you.

One thing I think might be a mistake or im not getting. At one point fwf says that its +ev to still bet even when you are not a favorite as long as you have larger equity than the pots odds. Well you will still have positive equity in the situation but less than if you just checked.

Say there is 100 in the pot on the turn and we have 40% equity. We pot the turn in pos and he will always call and check river where we check behind. Betting has an expectation of (300 x .4) -100 = +20 whereas checking has 300 x .4 = +40. Maybe im misunderstanding what you meant.

One thing I think might be a mistake or im not getting. At one point fwf says that its +ev to still bet even when you are not a favorite as long as you have larger equity than the pots odds. Well you will still have positive equity in the situation but less than if you just checked.

Say there is 100 in the pot on the turn and we have 40% equity. We pot the turn in pos and he will always call and check river where we check behind. Betting has an expectation of (300 x .4) -100 = +20 whereas checking has 300 x .4 = +40. Maybe im misunderstanding what you meant.

yeah, this doesn't sound like what i said at all. i would never advocate a bet that you're not a favorite when called (on the river) if it's for value. i'm not quite sure what you're referring to, but tell me what time to listen to on the vid and i'll (hopefully) clarify

Awesome series , awesome final video. FWF you are my favorite commentator right now, there is so much good shiz I am going to have to start taking notes and hammering home the concepts you discuss.

meh, went over the vid quick and couldnt find it. I must have just misunderstood something or misheard. Good video, good explanations.

more love for rhyason's amazing reads in chat...

I think it's fair to say Jay has improved alot since this ;D