Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by KRANTZ (Mid Stakes)

I have waited all day for this. And being in South Africa 8 hours behind is a wait indeed; lol.

BTW first:-)

I switched back to the clown from the penquin and they respect my authority again. Like they should.

the sound is not sync with the video? having a hard time remembering all hands when the audio gets there

this is with streaming.

the sound is not sync with the video? having a hard time remembering all hands when the audio gets there

this is with streaming.

WMV the audio is about 20 secs fast - halfway to the video.

Yeah, that sound thing was a bit annoying. Other then that, great vid.

Yah please fix the sound.. Ain't gonna watch it like this.

thats the worst intro I have ever seen in deucescracked vids

EDIT: fix the sound please. (mp4 version)

Krantz is my hero but I was just wondering are the 2/4 games that tuff? I read that he lost like 8 BI in 2/4. I'm not trying to down play krantz being he's one of my favorite players but just asking if 2/4 is that hard. =(

wow krantz plays crazy, i wish i had the balls to play like that. rly good commentary btw.

i tryed some cold 4betting at 200nl, failed 4/4 times though

WMV the audio is about 20 secs fast - halfway to the video.

I'll check this out and see what happened. Will try to get you guys a new version up soon today.

Rob

I'll check this out and see what happened. Will try to get you guys a new version up soon today.

Rob

Thx Rob.

Man, can you review the vids before putting them up? I wasted a bunch of time trying to figure out what FWF was talking about.

Krantz is my hero but I was just wondering are the 2/4 games that tuff? I read that he lost like 8 BI in 2/4. I'm not trying to down play krantz being he's one of my favorite players but just asking if 2/4 is that hard. =(

Assuming I'm not being leveled... KRANTZ is a proven winner at some of the highest stakes on the Internet. If he lost a few buy-ins at 400nl, I'd probably chock it up to variance. (It's pretty unlikely that you've seen KRANTZ play enough 400nl to realize the long run).

Assuming I'm not being leveled... KRANTZ is a proven winner at some of the highest stakes on the Internet. If he lost a few buy-ins at 400nl, I'd probably chock it up to variance. (It's pretty unlikely that you've seen KRANTZ play enough 400nl to realize the long run).

Understood definitely but I've heard of lower games sometimes being tuffer then higher. I remember krantz saying 25/50 is harder then 500/1k games that were running. So I'm just wondering if 2/4 is that hard. Krantz is the reason I signed up for this site. No way I'm a doubting he's amazing, all it makes me question is if the comp is getting THAT GOOD.

plz redo this

lol'd 09:45 in or so when you were rubbing the mouse cursor over opponents names..

Krantz is my hero but I was just wondering are the 2/4 games that tuff? I read that he lost like 8 BI in 2/4. I'm not trying to down play krantz being he's one of my favorite players but just asking if 2/4 is that hard. =(

most of the time i play 5/10 and below i'm blowing off steam, so i wouldn't use my results as a gauge of anything. 2/4-5/10 is not even close to the level of play at 25/50, players make so many mistakes.

Hey KRANTZ,

I've posted a hand asking you for advice in the "Mentor: KRANTZ (#3) - The Loon" video thread. Unfortunately you haven't replied to this thread at all.

Would be awesome if you do.

Thanks,

Sugar Nut

Yeah sound gets pretty bad about 15mins in ill wait for a better version. Cant understand the 3.5 stars though looks pretty good up to then.

Yah please fix the sound.. Ain't gonna watch it like this.

Krantz, i love the lag style, but i think you played pretty dam spewy in this video, and never really got to use your image to your advantage and get paid off later on. But im one of the 2/4 players who make a ton of mistakes, so take it fwiw.

"jay, magic fairy dust or vid?" LOL

Krantz, i love the lag style, but i think you played pretty dam spewy in this video, and never really got to use your image to your advantage and get paid off later on. But im one of the 2/4 players who make a ton of mistakes, so take it fwiw.

not saying that's not true, waiting to watch the new version later so i can comment on ariel's commentary.

like i said in episode 1 - do what i say and not what i do. think about the reasons why i might play a hand the way i do, think about the way we justify our decisions, and then apply that thought process to your own decisions. when we play bad, or play well, or play somewhere in between, we're still critically analyzing every decision in a video - and that's what is going to be most helpful to you guys in 1 hour sessions.

if we wanted to make highlight reels of us stacking people, we could, but that would be a series designed primarily for entertainment and not for strategy. hope that makes sense and doesn't seem like i'm trying to justify when i might play badly. just saying that i don't mind if i don't play perfect if i think the analysis will be useful.

Yah please fix the sound.. Ain't gonna watch it like this.

Hey everybody, my settings were off. I had my audio input as my computer mic instead of my headset (I think, I'm not a computer expert but it's something along those lines) so there was a lot of problems with the sound. My apologies to everybody if this made it way harder to listen to, and I'll be sure to make sure that this doesn't happen again.

Hey everybody, my settings were off. I had my audio input as my computer mic instead of my headset (I think, I'm not a computer expert but it's something along those lines) so there was a lot of problems with the sound. My apologies to everybody if this made it way harder to listen to, and I'll be sure to make sure that this doesn't happen again.

entity: this means that it won't be fixed?

entity: this means that it won't be fixed?

It means we're still trying to fix it. Rusty is going through it more or less frame by frame and doing everything he can to ninja it. Will update you guys when I've heard back with how the results are coming along.

Rob

looked really good as expected for the first 15 min that i watched but like the others i didn't want to "waste" this vid watching it with the sound screwed up after looking forward to it all week so i'm eagerly waiting for the fixed version.

It means we're still trying to fix it. Rusty is going through it more or less frame by frame and doing everything he can to ninja it. Will update you guys when I've heard back with how the results are coming along.

Rob

awesome, thanks for the extra work you guys put in

Not a ton to talk about since it seemed like you kept running up against nits who were flopping the joint nonstop. Looking back at the vid how do you feel about all of your overbets, you seemed to incorporate them more then any other video I've seen. I realize its a function of being 200+ bb deep so two questions.

How important do you think it is to be well balanced in those spots or is more a matter of it being the right situation villain having a narrow enough range where an overbet accomplishes something that a normal bet size wouldn't (getting more value or more folds per dollar put in the pot)?

You mostly used them on the river do situations ever arise when you'd use them on earlier streets?

looked really good as expected for the first 15 min that i watched but like the others i didn't want to "waste" this vid watching it with the sound screwed up after looking forward to it all week so i'm eagerly waiting for the fixed version.

Yeah. It's not like we're hating on you guys but I don't want to watch a potentially very good video without getting the most out of it .

Hey Guys I know you've been waiting patiently for this video to be redone. I have put up a new streaming mp4. The wmv is still in production and I will toss it up as soon as I get it. Thanks again for your patience.
-Rusty

tks a lot (;

really nice episode. The only thing im wondering about, is it possible for krantz to play this style on a friends account? because people will give him some credit and let him get away with this style of play since he is krantz playing and everyone knows who he is almost. So would be nice to see if you could borrow an account and play the same style. anyway great video and nice commentarty fox

And finally the new version of the wmv is up. Enjoy guys.
-Rusty

Thanks a lot Rusty! You guys make every effort for things to be perfect and it definitely shows.

Firstly, jay be as critical as ariel in the next vid as he was of you. Wow, harsh!

Secondly i really enjoyed this, enough to post a reply. I think your commentary is some of the best i have ever heard ariel, truly top drawer, dare i say it better than your own personal vids. Possibly being a 3rd party observer allows you to get a better overall prespective. I particularly liked your critique of prinny's image and how he should be adapting and adjusting once established. It was kind of frustrating that Krantz played fantastically at times but appeared to just spew for spewing sake on occasion, repping ridiculously tight ranges with an insane image, but i hope hes got that out of his system for the future parrallels as his style is superb.

Lastly, i wondered why you didnt pickup on his timing tells when hes not interested in a hand and that you didnt totally grill him for some of the ovebet lines which were spew hands down. The check, check raise, shove with the initiative pre was gross.

p.s change the intro to like two sports cars skidding to a crossroads or something, its truly shit.

thanks for vid al

if we wanted to make highlight reels of us stacking people, we could, but that would be a series designed primarily for entertainment and not for strategy.

When is this coming out?

It's easy for them to make a non spewy vid!

most of the time i play 5/10 and below i'm blowing off steam, so i wouldn't use my results as a gauge of anything. 2/4-5/10 is not even close to the level of play at 25/50, players make so many mistakes.

Thank you for the reply

Thanks for the fix!

DC customer service > All

watching it without the sound fix is better for your memory! pay attention and remember the hands (or the commentary if the sound is faster than vid).

i really like this episode, and the fact that Krantz might not play optimal handranges does provide us with MORE hands to look at, MORE difficult decisions, and MORE entertainment

do some more >60 VPIP stuff

What is this noise in the background, like FWF is playing with a scissor or a zippo or, wut?

This made me realize that in this site we can learn more for commentary than from watching play.
I like krantz and foxwoodfiend commentary in all the videos I've seen so far, so I was looking forward to this series.

About the play... don't take me wrong but this is pure spew... if you are a winner and want to be a loser, and lose really big, please play like this.

Are you finally trying to turn things over and turn all that players that you made good into bad players again to have our good old soft games back?

I think that in a live 2 table play video you cannot get enough interesting spots without deliberately spewing to have something to talk about. Maybe this isn't the right video format yet... HU videos are OK because you get enough action and so much player dependent non-standard strategy; pure analysis like dear foxwoodfiend is ok and very useful too. This live 2-table six max format is clearly less interesting unless you're teaching the standard 6-max solid winning play (which is obviously not the goal in this videos, but there are many lower stakes videos that do the job in this site). Non standard really cool spots don't appear so often that you probably risk having none in 1h 2-table video.

Thanks for the fix!

DC customer service > All

+1000


I really feel like DC appreciates the customers here and does everything in their power to provide quality material and make good on promises. This is among the countless vids that I saw entity or Rusty post right away that a fix is coming and ACTUALLY DO IT. It's not all talk like a few of the training sites I've been with in the past. This is why I'm a member of DC and DC ONLY now. Keep up the good work guys!

+1000


I really feel like DC appreciates the customers here and does everything in their power to provide quality material and make good on promises. This is among the countless vids that I saw entity or Rusty post right away that a fix is coming and ACTUALLY DO IT. It's not all talk like a few of the training sites I've been with in the past. This is why I'm a member of DC and DC ONLY now. Keep up the good work guys!

100%. the fact that DC delivers on customer service is why i pay them and not another site. keep it up, you rock.

Lastly, i wondered why you didnt pickup on his timing tells when hes not interested in a hand and that you didnt totally grill him for some of the ovebet lines which were spew hands down. The check, check raise, shove with the initiative pre was gross.

I sometimes take pieces of Jay and I don't want to expose his timing tells for all the world to see.

I was pretty critical of the AT turn check/raise with the initiative, I think I specifically said that I don't expect villain to fold anything better.

I gave this a five, not just because of the fact the DC lads got the audio fixed pretty damn quickly but also cos FF's commentary was his usual pure gold!

OK, a smattering of thoughts on Ariel's commentary:

-4 min in - cold 4-betting - i agree w everything ariel says but i think my image is shot to hell for it (not just during this session, but in general)

-on checking back KK8 against passive bad players with 78 - ariel says its a mistake, protect your hand, but i think its a really good spot against the same kind of players to induce a turn bet with all hands because to bad players, it looks like you are giving up on the flop. vs good players, i'd much rather protect my hand and/or induce a checkraise bluff, since its relatively obvious to TAGs that my hand has some showdown value when i check back.

-~24min in, i make an overbet river bluff trying to rep a flush or 333 against a bad player. ariel says he doesn't like the overbet since the player is bad, but i think that's exactly the kind of player to make that kind of bet against rather than a thinking TAG who can more easily read hands. of course trips never folds but i expect my opponent to rarely have trips and almost always have something like Jt, T9, 8x, or a pocket pair. a thinking TAG can make a call there knowing an overbet polarizes my range and that (like Ariel says) I'd likely barrel the turn with a heart draw. a bad player sees the big bet and gets scared.

-re: my loose play - i made a few small preflop mistakes that Ariel pointed out correctly. i should have toned down the reraising towards the middle-end of the video with hands that are complete garbage when called (23dd comes to mind). at that point, i didn't really need to do any more advertising. re: my postflop play though, i stand behind every play except the overbet against the guy on J9T7Q where he had 8T for the straight --- i should have just given up on the river. it doesn't matter if i have to rep ridiculously tight ranges if my opponents aren't equipped to trap me and have weak ranges that i can move out of the hand by cutting off their pot odds. this style works at these stakes against this lineup. against a table full of 25/20 regs, it doesn't.

The check, check raise, shove with the initiative pre was gross.

just because it's unorthodox does not mean it's spew. in that hand i can only realistically get called by 88, and i have no reason to think my opponent is trapping me by checking back the flop (in fact, i have more reason to assume he's definitely not trapping me).

CAN WE DO A DIRECTOR'S COMMENTARY/CUT AT THE END WITH SPOTS YOU DON'T 100% AGREE ON? I THINK THE DEBATE WOULD BE MUY HELPFUL

just because it's unorthodox does not mean it's spew. in that hand i can only realistically get called by 88, and i have no reason to think my opponent is trapping me by checking back the flop (in fact, i have more reason to assume he's definitely not trapping me).

not sure if i like the "he can only realistically call me with 88 thought process tbh", your betting makes absolutely no sense and v thinking players i think you get called lighter than you might think @ 2/4. I agree that unorthodox doesnt mean spew though.

I thought it was a great vid, dont see what all the yappin is about

Excellent analysis Ariel, enjoyed the video. I wonder what degree of lagginess Jay/Ariel/Emil would be optimal for a strong postflop player for ~500k hands of 400nl on FTP? Also Ariel playing with his keys or whatever in the background the whole video was a little distracting, not a big deal tho

Excellent analysis Ariel, enjoyed the video. I wonder what degree of lagginess Jay/Ariel/Emil would be optimal for a strong postflop player for ~500k hands of 400nl on FTP? Also Ariel playing with his keys or whatever in the background the whole video was a little distracting, not a big deal tho

I think this is the second post that said something about me distracting them with some background noise. I really can't remember what that would be, but it's definitely possible that I had some nervous habit (shuffling chips or something like that). I'm a bit rusty from not making videos for a while and I'm aware of some bad habits I need to put an end to, I guess not having anything around to distract me while I"m making a video might be one of those.

As for ideal lagginess, from what I've seen at 2/4 I think my ideal play would be 30/25ish but I don't recommend too many people try it because trying to play loose just for the sake of reaching some stat that you've heard is ideal is a recipe for disaster.

I think this video is insulting to the regulars who play these stakes. Summary of video: Krantz plays as a 45/40 spewtard who sucks out a few times; FWF points this out repeatedly. I am in no way criticizing FWF's commentary; there just isn't much else to be said. It seems like Krantz assumes those playing at 2/4 are bad players, and is not taking this video seriously.. if he played 2/4 regularly with this style he would get owned over the long haul.
I in no way learned anything from this video other than what not to do.. i.e. play like an over-aggressive neandrethal whose strategy consists of 3-betting any decent hand preflop, betting each street with nothing until facing strength, and over-betting the river.

Is Krantz saying play like this? No.
Did he say every play is +EV? No.

I think the point is that there are plenty of standard 2/4 TAG videos, watching this video should give you ideas about the sorts of aggro/exotic lines that can be taken to open up your game, its not a style youre supposed to mimic for standard grinding.

I think this video is insulting to the regulars who play these stakes. Summary of video: Krantz plays as a 45/40 spewtard who sucks out a few times; FWF points this out repeatedly. I am in no way criticizing FWF's commentary; there just isn't much else to be said. It seems like Krantz assumes those playing at 2/4 are bad players, and is not taking this video seriously.. if he played 2/4 regularly with this style he would get owned over the long haul.
I in no way learned anything from this video other than what not to do.. i.e. play like an over-aggressive neandrethal whose strategy consists of 3-betting any decent hand preflop, betting each street with nothing until facing strength, and over-betting the river.

i've already made my argument, i'll just add that i used to play 2/4 too. there's a reason why i'm no longer a 2/4 regular.

david benyamine.

well that, and thinking outside ze box.

the chat messages to the future are super sick

About 13-14 minute in the video on table kilt you got KK in a 4way raised pot from the cut off. You get check raised from the blinds on the 864, 2flush. Is that so clear a fold? I would defently put more money in the pot here, especially since you only got 26 hands of stats on the villain Nathan Petrelli.

This was a ridiculously spewy video. I would prefer to see videos of people playing a reasonable style that has a chance to win in the long run. I don't think I'm going to watch any more videos of Krantz unless he's playing high enough stakes to take them seriously. Ariel's commentary was good though.

This site is great overall and I've learned a lot from it. But I would prefer to see more videos of players with a TAG style preflop so that I can learn about the postflop situations without seeing so many spewy plays preflop.

This was a ridiculously spewy video. I would prefer to see videos of people playing a reasonable style that has a chance to win in the long run. I don't think I'm going to watch any more videos of Krantz unless he's playing high enough stakes to take them seriously. Ariel's commentary was good though.

This site is great overall and I've learned a lot from it. But I would prefer to see more videos of players with a TAG style preflop so that I can learn about the postflop situations without seeing so many spewy plays preflop.

I really really think that writing off Krantz's videos based on this one would be a huge mistake. Check out the other Parallels vid (ep 4) at least, and ask around because most of Krantz's vids are the nuts.

There's a lot of unnecessary hate for this video. We have 2 of the best coaches on the site making mid stakes 6 max videos and the commentary on both so far has been great. A lot of the preflop plays are loose and a lot of the postflop plays are unorthodox but learning the reasoning behind these plays will get us to the next level. Most of us watching this video and probably all of the haters are still at 2/4 or lower so there a huge gap and these videos will help us get a little closer. We don't want to turn DC into Cardunners where many of the top guys don't make vids or only do so at 25/50 or something the majority of us won't get nearly as much out of. I love the series so far and I can't wait to catch up.

I play sorta like this ut in the micros. Maybe Ill do better when I move up HAHAHAHA

I know this is an old video but for anyone looking back at these ignore most of the comments above.

This video is extremely interesting and anyone not seeing that needs to have a good look at the way in which they view poker.

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When I saw his flop call of the 3-bet, I felt like villain was strong. If he has a K, there is not much to think about. If he has a FD, there is. If he has a set, he would want to wait on his clock for a bit (about the time frame he used) as opposed to insta-calling. I don't know if I put my thoughts into words that make sense, but for this reason (timing tell) I would not fire the turn.

I feel like a K usually calls here pretty quickly from most players. They are thinking, "yes, of course I get c/r'ed on this flop from an agg player, but I'm calling and planning on calling down". With a flush draw I can understand thinking more, but then the flush draw got there on the turn. I can understand a set thinking as well or plotting, using the clock on purpose. I don't really see a medium strengthed hand such as a pp thinking that long to call...it would be a tough call and I am more inclined to think that villain would rather re-raise with a mid-pp on this board if he puts J on a stone bluff rather than call and set himself up to fold to a 2nd barrel on the turn.