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LOL, please tell me this video was recorded pre WSOP finish?...you should take your own advice more often! ![]()
WiltOnTilt and jk3a continue their session review with more high-stakes HU hands.
Jk3a and WiltOnTilt work their hand reading magic at the Heads Up tables. Taking the premise of the previous Buffalo series the boys move to hand ranges in the mid/high stakes Heads Up games.
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Time Link to 00:42:54
LOL, please tell me this video was recorded pre WSOP finish?...you should take your own advice more often! ![]()
WoT: breaking bad > lost > dexter ![]()
Time Link to 00:32:05
Can you talk about villain's play here, especially on the flop and turn (the river bluff is obv. pretty bad unless you guys have hella-metagame dynamics going on)? How do you rate his play street by street vs you? What's optimal play vs yourself if you were in villain's shoes? Also, since this is a HU series, and HU is all about adjusting to our opponents, after seeing how villain played this hand, besides 3betting more of a "big card" range pre-flop, what type of adjustments are you making at this point in the match, if any?
Can you talk about villain's play here, especially on the flop and turn (the river bluff is obv. pretty bad unless you guys have hella-metagame dynamics going on)? How do you rate his play street by street vs you? What's optimal play vs yourself if you were in villain's shoes? Also, since this is a HU series, and HU is all about adjusting to our opponents, after seeing how villain played this hand, besides 3betting more of a "big card" range pre-flop, what type of adjustments are you making at this point in the match, if any?
def best to start bluffing flop if you're going to bluff and prob bet every street on alot of turn/river cards. adjustment wise, it's just important to note that he can bluff in spots where he doesn't rep anything and may just be playing his cards.
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if he is check raising that much, wouldn't you be cbetting a pretty polarized and therefore would not have that many one pair hands in your range? Would you even be betting A5 or 77 on this flop?
if he is check raising that much, wouldn't you be cbetting a pretty polarized and therefore would not have that many one pair hands in your range? Would you even be betting A5 or 77 on this flop?
I would cbet something like 77+ here.
if he is check raising that much, wouldn't you be cbetting a pretty polarized and therefore would not have that many one pair hands in your range? Would you even be betting A5 or 77 on this flop?
or just bet every pair then call ![]()
that tends to be the way I go unless I'm really feeling owned, but for most the best adjustment is to just cbet a stronger range
Really, absolutely nobody cares about Independence, Indiana, or the fact that your friend got lost. It wouldn't even be funny if I knew who were talking about. Total waste of our time.
Really, absolutely nobody cares about Independence, Indiana, or the fact that your friend got lost. It wouldn't even be funny if I knew who were talking about. Total waste of our time.
just as an fyi, you might consider using the feature to skip forward on the time line past the first 3-4 mins of the whole series because every episode has funny stories that you won't like.
thanks for watching,
WoT
just as an fyi, you might consider using the feature to skip forward on the time line past the first 3-4 mins of the whole series because every episode has funny stories that you won't like.
thanks for watching,
WoT
I actually look forward to these, myself ![]()
This one may not have been particularly funny relative to some of the other stories ("unbeatable hand" takes the cake BY FAR), but IMHO you guys have a very light-hearted dynamic in general that makes these videos entertaining as well as informative.
Great episode and very enlightening thoughts, thanks.
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What do you think about 3 betting TT on the flop and stacking off? I tend to do that and it hasn't worked out too well, so maybe I'm answering my own question here.
What do you think about 3 betting TT on the flop and stacking off? I tend to do that and it hasn't worked out too well, so maybe I'm answering my own question here.
def don't do that without a super read/history
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Aaron - here you say you like to bet your stronger hands and use your weaker hands to bluff catch. But in this spot if you had something like KQ+, isn't he going to bet all the made hands that he'd call with anyway (like 8x+) and bet twice most of the hands that he'd call 3barrels with (Qx+), so you don't really lose any value from his made hands by checking a strong hand, but you do gain a lot of value from inducing bluffs.
agree/disagree/thoughts?
Aaron - here you say you like to bet your stronger hands and use your weaker hands to bluff catch. But in this spot if you had something like KQ+, isn't he going to bet all the made hands that he'd call with anyway (like 8x+) and bet twice most of the hands that he'd call 3barrels with (Qx+), so you don't really lose any value from his made hands by checking a strong hand, but you do gain a lot of value from inducing bluffs.
agree/disagree/thoughts?
I don't think that 8x+ bets the turn when checked to and Qx might not always bet turn and river. I do think there is merit to checking this texture with some strong hands given all the straight draws that might fold to a turn bet but it's likely best for an overall strategy to simply barrel KQ+ and use weaker hands to c/c turn.
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here Aaron says that the more frustrated he thinks the opponent thinks he is, the more likely he is to 3bet anything from a weak top pair to any flush draw. why? those hands seem fairly opposite from each other. I can see 3betting the top pair if he thinks you're frustrated with the intention of inducing bluffs when he thinks you're just playing back light. But if he plays back at you when you 3bet a weak flush draw, you can't really continue to a 4bet.
are there other reasons that you would 3bet both that I'm missing?
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if he was the same opponent except he didn't strike you as a button clicker/confusion better, are you always calling river with a hand like 76?
here Aaron says that the more frustrated he thinks the opponent thinks he is, the more likely he is to 3bet anything from a weak top pair to any flush draw. why? those hands seem fairly opposite from each other. I can see 3betting the top pair if he thinks you're frustrated with the intention of inducing bluffs when he thinks you're just playing back light. But if he plays back at you when you 3bet a weak flush draw, you can't really continue to a 4bet.
are there other reasons that you would 3bet both that I'm missing?
stacks should probably be either deeper or a little shallower for 3betting any flush draw to be a fist pump 3bet there ( assuming the right dynamic exists to induce rebluffs that we can re-rebluff ), but even with current stacks if we think he rebluff ships with air or some straight draw we have nutted then it can add some hidden equity to a hand like 9Tss
in this case having any flushdraw with over or gutshot would be fine enough as a standard and then depending on how often he will spazz out and what bet size he choose any flushdraw could be fine
The reason for 3betting any top pair is similar, inducing the re-rebluff
stacks should probably be either deeper or a little shallower for 3betting any flush draw to be good there ( assuming the right dynamic exists to induce rebluffs that we can re-rebluff
in this case having any flushdraw with over or gutshot would be fine enough
The reason for 3betting any top pair is similar, inducing the re-rebluff
okay so your plan is to jam over a 4bet or do it with a draw that has enough equity to call if he just jams himself?
if he was the same opponent except he didn't strike you as a button clicker/confusion better, are you always calling river with a hand like 76?
hard to answer definitively yes or no, many people when they c/r the flop and get this run out our hand is a pretty weak bluff catcher. obv so is our bad 2pair as the results showed, but with the read that he does dumb/weird/confusing things then it makes the call easier.
i'd expect most ppl to never value bet worse than 67 there and if they were bluffing it will usually be with some hand that ends up with a straight or 2pair. There are some "backdoor" hands like JTcc and similar that he could follow through like this with but as compared to the reasonably wide value range (straights, flushes) that he can have you'd need a pretty good read to click call with a 1 card straight i think. So I definitely can't say we are "always" calling with 7x here but with the right reads it would be one of the better bluff catchers since we chop with some of his value range
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