Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by Joe Tall (High Stakes)

Who is going to be first with the Ace holding %? 4 opponents, A high flop, what % of the time does one of them have an Ace?

I feel I could watch all these hands again and make more comments, especially with Chuck's random donk betting, imo.

I haven't seen the hand yet so I'm not sure if Chuck also holds an ace or not. But the question seems less relevant when Chuck has an ace, so I'll assume he doesn't.

5 players, ace on the flop...58.57% chance that no one is holding an ace in the hole.

Edited: Well, that's slightly off since Doyle doesn't take the flop coming down into account - his chart is strictly for PF. Guess I'd have to calculate it to get a more precise answer, but what I responded will be close. I'm trying to find the hand now. What's the time stamp Mr. Hyde?

Chuck, somebody, please explain to me why you peel J103r with Q7o in a 5sb pot against a superloose bad player?

With the K10 hand i really also prefer the donkbet when you spike bottom two pair there. The only hand he can really pay you off with is AQ, and not to mention you also have a third player in the pot to worry about which can have us beat, not very likely (it would have to be JQ), but its still possible.

Thanks for keeping these 1 table

Chuck, somebody, please explain to me why you peel J103r with Q7o in a 5sb pot against a superloose bad player?

bad peel imo i think i thought i had bdfd @ the time.

peel w/bdfd

With the K10 hand i really also prefer the donkbet when you spike bottom two pair there. The only hand he can really pay you off with is AQ, and not to mention you also have a third player in the pot to worry about which can have us beat, not very likely (it would have to be JQ), but its still possible.

Yah and more importantly on a board of AKTx vs. a cold capping range vs. the specific opponent, I'm not thrilled about check/raising.

Glad we agree. However, i feel really uncomfortable with this whole concept of simply peeling without a part of the board. Isnt it better to be attacking these flops with these nothings hands instead of check/calling?

I think this was a great video. It was awesmome when Joe wanted to 3-bet 44. Talk about getting into ur opponents head. Reminded me of "Wire in the Blood", if anyone seen that show. Would u describe yourself more as an inspiration player, rather than a math player?

Who is going to be first with the Ace holding %? 4 opponents, A high flop, what % of the time does one of them have an Ace?

Since you allready know Im a nit I might as well do it . There are 47 unseen cards of which 3 are ace. Chance no-one has an A (drawing 8 (note 8 factors below) cards without getting an A):

(44/47)(43/46)(42/45)(41/44)(40/43)(39/42)(38/41)(37/40)=(39*38*37)/(47*46*45) ~= 0.5636 ~= 56%.

So the risk someone holds an A is about 44% (if I got it right).

Joe, Im thinking that the Jack-Three should really be called "Joe Tall" from now on .

Love this format!

Joe, what range do you coldcall out of the SB in a game like this? Only hands like Q9s/JTs/T9s? Something I do myself every now and then against an aggromonkey to keep the pot smaller OOP. When we coldcall are we wanting a call from the BB though? I usually prefer a loose BB when I coldcall out of the SB(in the vid BB was a TAG), my reasoning is that I'll have to make a hand to win against the aggromonkey so having the BB in the hand pads the pot when we have a draw plus we have good position relative to the BTN to face the BB with calling 2 cold on the flop if we flop a pair. Am I off on this?

How much redbull did you drink before filming this?
And those rings arent olympics, thats audi

77 on A52 board.

granted whatever the chances of one of our 4 opponents holding an ace are.
the pot odds more than make up for that. 10 to 1
there was no 3 bet PF, which makes it less likely someone holds AK AQ AJ
Danza's c-bet is correct IMO.

I think Danza forcing a turn bet by calling the flop raise is also correct.

when the rest of the field folded the flop, and we face what might be a FD or even 5x
it becomes difficult to fold. I am not sure if calling down is correct, but its at least very close.

general comment: is it just me or do limit players value the backdoor flush draw too much. I mean danzasmack and deathdonkey in particular are always talking about backdoor flushdraws like they add a lot of equity to a hand, but they are really pretty irrelevant most of the time.

It adds about 3-4% equity most of the time, which can increase your effective outs, which can then turn a marginal -EV peel to a break even or marginal +EV peel.

Basically, we limit players are looking for an excuse to continue rather than an excuse to fold.

In limit 6 outs to 2nd pair plus backdoor straight and flush draws is like the nuts

general comment: is it just me or do limit players value the backdoor flush draw too much. I mean danzasmack and deathdonkey in particular are always talking about backdoor flushdraws like they add a lot of equity to a hand, but they are really pretty irrelevant most of the time.

Limit players are always getter a better price than NL/PL players.

Well, almost always.

Yeah, BD draws would have more value in NL too if people made 20-25% pot flop c-bets only.

So the risk someone holds an A is about 44% (if I got it right).

That's correct. But keep in mind that you're assuming here that each opponent's range is ATC. In practice this probability will be much higher, since even the loosest players can find a preflop fold with 23o once in a while.

Joe, Im thinking that the Jack-Three should really be called "Joe Tall" from now on .

+1

Hi Guys,

I'm not ignoring this thread, I just got back from Seattle and have been with the family. I'll sit down Sunday night and get to all the discussion.

Glad you enjoy the format.

-Joe

I think the turn donk with KT on AKxT board in 3-way capped pot is perfect. Given how tight the cold capper's range is, I don't think our hand is strong enough for a c/r. One bet going in on the turn is good, two is ok, three or zero would be bad. Donk is the best way to get one or two bets in on the turn.

I just had to say I love this format.

Also for Episode 3, Have ya'll thought about putting the railling commentary 1st then do the players commentary 2nd? I think it would be a little more interesting. I have seen in both episodes the question "what where you thinking there". But we allready know because we have allready seen/heard the player's commentary.

I think the turn donk with KT on AKxT board in 3-way capped pot is perfect. Given how tight the cold capper's range is, I don't think our hand is strong enough for a c/r. One bet going in on the turn is good, two is ok, three or zero would be bad. Donk is the best way to get one or two bets in on the turn.

I agree with this now, but in the heat of it, I was thinking C/R. I sort of deduced that a donk is best after I broke down his range. It's a little tough, spitting thoughts out on the fly OVER someone else's play.

It was awesmome when Joe wanted to 3-bet 44. Talk about getting into ur opponents head. Reminded me of "Wire in the Blood", if anyone seen that show. Would u describe yourself more as an inspiration player, rather than a math player?

I think the 44 3-bet hand is really important to in-hand/in-session reads. Picking up on those specific situations will help you maximize your EV, and also throw your opponents off balance. The "wait he just 3-bet 2x in a row, once with 66 and then with 44 in EP" is great when they dont realize the meta-game of it.

I would say I am a bit of both, inspiration and math. I have a heavy math background with a degree in Civil Engineer and a minor in Mathematics but have been playing poker since I was 10 years old, so I like to think I have a decent "feel" developed.