Poker Video: Razz by ceegee (Mid Stakes)

Time Link to 00:28:58

Not the best defend, he just folded in the same situation the hand before. His range should be more value oriented than the average player's.

this defend is def standard. A ten is a significant dog to a wheel and good hands, however his range is super wide because of the board texture. He should be raising literally 100% of his hands. He's in steal position and we have a good bluff catcher.

Good video overall.

this defend is def standard. A ten is a significant dog to a wheel and good hands, however his range is super wide because of the board texture. He should be raising literally 100% of his hands. He's in steal position and we have a good bluff catcher.

Standard against average player for sure. But this one is way tighter.

You even commented on the previous hand, that he didn't steal with a 3 against 9,9,10 behind.

As an aside, his call on 5th (555 vs your T88) might actually be good. He still has 30% equity.

i agree with ceegee, even a tight player will know that when you have a 5 face up and everyone else has a ten-king that the 5 is suppose to raise no matter what the hole cards are. its just one of those razz automatic decisions.

i agree with ceegee, even a tight player will know that when you have a 5 face up and everyone else has a ten-king that the 5 is suppose to raise no matter what the hole cards are. its just one of those razz automatic decisions.

This. He may have folded a 3 against the 99T but in the same respect it could be the case that A. he was distracted and missed the board or B. he was afraid one of the 9s or Ts would call him, since 9s are scarier to raise into because people are more apt to call with a 9 than a T+

Oh well, I tend to over adapt based on weak reads. It might be too soon to categorize a player after one hand

ya one hand isn't really enough to tell us his whole play style, but good job pointing out the previous hand to justify your read, definitely has some merit in considering before making a play like I did, however I think you are right that the read hasn't developed into a strong one quite yet and calling is the best option.

This series is easily the thing I look forward to most this season. Keep up the good work, I look forward to your stud8 content.

From what I understand CeeGee, Stud hi is the game where you really started to make your name known in. I am wondering how much you feel learning both Razz and Stud 8 have furthered your Stud hi game or if you feel that they have mostly given you additional outlets for game selection.

I became known for stud hi, but I started off in razz. Having learned the other stud games just as extensively, they have provided me with better game selection. As far as skill sets, learning how to balance hands in every stud game is essentially the same in that the understanding of the 7 card structure alone will get you ahead of the curve.

Time Link to 00:19:23

Uh you def def have to call 5th. Obv equity isnt this good because villain would never play two paired hole cards, but you got really good chances. And you only need like 18% equity.

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Time Link to 00:35:11

You said yourself your stealing here regardless of your holecards pretty much since everyone has crappy face cards. It looks like your fishy villain might have made a good read (he only needed 16.67% equity to call 3rd):

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Time Link to 00:48:42

I think this is just throwing $4 away too often to be worth it.

Time Link to 00:14:21

can we fold 4th? on 5th you have more eq than on 4th (45 vs 40%) so equitywise it s an easy call but again we are facing RIO. stil a call? (3rd and 4th!?)

Time Link to 00:14:31

on 6th we need 21%, dont we? so it should be an "easy" call? http://propokertools.com/simulations/show?d=5&g=rz&h1=3469t6&h2=%288-8-5%29aa7&s=classic

we invest 8 to win 37 or not?

edit: folding 6th is fine if he has 6-6- if he has 7-7- it s a call and if he has 5-5- it s a call as well.

Time Link to 00:23:57

really? with a wheel draw in a 2bet pot?

Time Link to 00:29:27

is there any merit in 2betting this hand? to avoid light overcalls from the bring in?

Time Link to 00:29:09

so vs our exact hand he has like 33% EQ on 5th. if he had 12 dollars left and you put him all in he would have to fold but now he can take one card off, make good folds on 6th, call if he improves and make good valuebets on the river. All in all I d say a clear call and not a razz suicide.
6th you should c/c. If he paired the deuce he is folding if it improves his range he is going to raise being ahead of you.

Time Link to 00:34:22

is the K defend bad because of the structure? what kind of structure is needed to justify a call here.

can we fold 4th? on 5th you have more eq than on 4th (45 vs 40%) so equitywise it s an easy call but again we are facing RIO. stil a call? (3rd and 4th!?)

Never folding on 4th, just because of the remaining streets, a lot can change, and our RIO isn't bad because we are still on the small bet streets. When the bets get bigger, it's more of an issue to call down because our price compared to our implied odds decreases a ton. Also we can easily bink well and he can brick for the small price, but if we get to 5th, he can potentially have us drawing dead, and we are never drawing dead on 4th.

on 6th we need 21%, dont we? so it should be an "easy" call? http://propokertools.com/simulations/show?d=5&g=rz&h1=3469t6&h2=%288-8-5%29aa7&s=classic

we invest 8 to win 37 or not?

edit: folding 6th is fine if he has 6-6- if he has 7-7- it s a call and if he has 5-5- it s a call as well.

the reason we fold is because his 2 bet on 3rd reps a strong hand, like 3 to a wheel when I open a 6. Most people arn't 2 betting a 7+ here so we can be fairly certain he has a stronger hand. When he catches an ace, it is possible he pairs it, however he catches another ace making it now unlikely has has an ace in the hole. When he hits the 7 on 6th it is less likely he pairs it because of his 2 bet on 3rd not including many 7s, so we are likely drawing dead which was why i should have folded 5th.

so vs our exact hand he has like 33% EQ on 5th. if he had 12 dollars left and you put him all in he would have to fold but now he can take one card off, make good folds on 6th, call if he improves and make good valuebets on the river. All in all I d say a clear call and not a razz suicide.
6th you should c/c. If he paired the deuce he is folding if it improves his range he is going to raise being ahead of you.

I agree here, because it's less likely he will pair his 5 now =p

thx for replying.
Even though it seems less likely he (triped?^^) the Ace it looks like PPT says it is very likely. Again the only time this is a fold is when he has exactly 6-6-.

Time Link to 00:42:14

Can we 2bet showing the nine as well? We got a significant edge against a 100% range.
Whats the worst nine you would play here?
Do you call some Ts as well? A-6-T? A-5-T?

Time Link to 00:42:32

http://propokertools.com/simulations/show?g=rz&h1=**48&h2=9343&s=classic

is folding here correct? EQ wise it is not.

Time Link to 00:44:38

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Yes he should. Shouldn't he?

Time Link to 00:44:38

Is this a good play? With what kind of frequency should a play like this be made?