Poker Video: Stud/Stud 8 by ceegee (High Stakes)

Time Link to 00:10:16

sorry this idea was kind of jumbled. Essentially I'm saying you should either check raise a lot of your range on 4th. If you catch a high card like Q+ or if you catch a heart you should be looking to check raise a lot to maximize fold equity against thinking players. This protects our weak hands and gets max value out of our 4 flushes. You could also just lead your good cards if you are first to act, either one I think is fine, but if you're first to act and you catch a high card I think check raising looks stronger.

Time Link to 00:24:14

i actually think this wasn't too bad, since I will check give up a lot on 4th. This guy was just playing his hand however and I didn't realize this. Against good players I like checking 4th, against this guy I probably should have just bet. The bad thing is my lapse in thought that if he doesn't give me much cred on 3rd he will potentially be raising a lot of his range on later streets giving me an opportunity to raise anyway.

Time Link to 00:27:57

this guy has been passive, fold this hand here.

Time Link to 00:46:40

contradicted myself ldo, I shouldn't use the term bad players... they aren't bad if they are betting river, they are just announcing their likely range in that spot and obviously they can't check if they have air, however they do polarize themselves to two pair or air if they bet river since most people will check one pair.

Time Link to 00:34:59

You said, you will call down this player a lot lighter. Given that he gave up in this hand, shouldn't you give him more credit when he keeps betting in future hands?

yes and no. It depends on how my board develops. Since I caught an ace that probably scared him into giving up. If i had caught another brick im sure he would have bet.

Seems like you were pretty tilted when making this video imo.

Lots of good content and great that you've gone over it twice to annotate. Thank-you.

I liked this one better than the first one, not too sure why.

Sitting out to explain those hands in greater detail was great. Maybe you could also do that at the end of a session (cut it short a couple minutes).

Lots of good content and great that you've gone over it twice to annotate. Thank-you.

This.

contradicted myself ldo, I shouldn't use the term bad players... they aren't bad if they are betting river, they are just announcing their likely range in that spot and obviously they can't check if they have air, however they do polarize themselves to two pair or air if they bet river since most people will check one pair.

so in his spot, are you usually betting or checking one pair hands?

I also liked many of the 7th st scenarios you discussed in detail regarding value lines...bet-fold, bet-call, etc.

so in his spot, are you usually betting or checking one pair hands?

I'll check weak one pair hands and value bet stronger ones if their board looks like they would call. If it looks like they were definitely on a draw, then it's less likely they would pay off with one pair on the river since the amount of stronger pairs they have in their range will be dictated by their board. So if hes showing a K and was on a flush draw and we have aces, you could value bet the pair of aces and fold to a raise once in awhile.

I'll check weak one pair hands and value bet stronger ones if their board looks like they would call. If it looks like they were definitely on a draw, then it's less likely they would pay off with one pair on the river since the amount of stronger pairs they have in their range will be dictated by their board. So if hes showing a K and was on a flush draw and we have aces, you could value bet the pair of aces and fold to a raise once in awhile.

If you were to have Q high when he bet into you on 7th, what do you think about a bluff-reraise? and how often are you doing it? I didn't go back to look at the potsize in this hand, but it seems like you will usually be getting 3-4/1 on this bluff in a HU pot. I don't know how to check stats on something like this, but it feels like I am getting a fold more than 1/3 of the time when I try it on a thinking player. When I do get caught, I make sure to add a note that the player has seen me bluff-reraise. It's obviously not my standard play, but I'm guessing it's something you have experimented with.

Time Link to 00:21:00

This is a bad peel. You must have overlooked the dead T. Also all our 2pair and trip outs are dead (7, KK, 9).

Time Link to 00:19:51

Do you consider raising here sometimes vs good players? There was a similar situation at ~15:00, where you led small 2pair into what was presumably AA and said you would fold to a raise on the river. If we raise the river with Aces up and occasionally with AA, villain either has to pay us off often or stop valuebetting his small 2pair. Thoughts?

i actually think this wasn't too bad, since I will check give up a lot on 4th. This guy was just playing his hand however and I didn't realize this. Against good players I like checking 4th, against this guy I probably should have just bet. The bad thing is my lapse in thought that if he doesn't give me much cred on 3rd he will potentially be raising a lot of his range on later streets giving me an opportunity to raise anyway.

Are there really any hands you would give up on 4th with A3 vs 62? I think you should bet 100% of your range 100% of the time here.

Time Link to 00:28:46

I think x/c is better than donking here. He will bet his 4straight showing anyway, so a bet goes in regardless. But if two bets go in they are not going in good most of the time.

Time Link to 00:42:00

Why not cap 4th for value?

Time Link to 00:48:11

I think you missed a really easy steal here. Same goes for ~49:03. You were probably distracted talking about an earlier hand.

This is a bad peel. You must have overlooked the dead T. Also all our 2pair and trip outs are dead (7, KK, 9).

problem is he can easily do this with a 4 flush as well. So I'm peeling 5th for sure and folding a bad 6th.

problem is he can easily do this with a 4 flush as well. So I'm peeling 5th for sure and folding a bad 6th.

I meant 6th street.

Time Link to 00:55:37

Your reasoning behind d/c was that you didn't want him to check back a pair of eights. But isn't this logic flawed? I mean, we b/cc 4th w/ an A showing 3way, keep calling till the river and then bet out into a 4straight board. We'll have Aces up nearly always. And than he raises regardless. He's not raising Qeens up here for value or 88 as a bluff. That would make d/f the superior line here imo.

Time Link to 00:54:59

Isn't this a solid fold on 4th? Obviously overlord can be clowning it up with weird draws as he did before but isn't queens the bottom of the other guy's cold 3betting range? I feel like even though you may have enough equity to call in a vacuum this is just a reverse implied odds nightmare in terms of you improving to jacks up and him improving to queens up (or him already having queens up and having you drawing to 5 outs the whole way). It's a limped pot, people limp to make big hands if he were an aggressive player who's trying to push fold equity or something he'd just be raising on third - he's clearly raising because he thinks he has the best hand. Also if overlord has an open ender or really does have a big hand this time then you're in really bad shape which will happen a non-zero amount of the time. Folding may seem exploitable and unbalanced but really nothing you do in 3 way limped pots is going to be too exploitable.

Time Link to 00:02:32

Would you be folding or calling a bet? I feel this is a spot where he'll be bluffing with a high frequency as our board is so weak and his so strong but using that same reasoning he'll also have a ton of value hands.

I assume you'd be leading 7th with any 2 pair (even if the 3 paired?)?

Would you be folding or calling a bet? I feel this is a spot where he'll be bluffing with a high frequency as our board is so weak and his so strong but using that same reasoning he'll also have a ton of value hands.

I assume you'd be leading 7th with any 2 pair (even if the 3 paired?)?

Because we have blockers to his straight, i'd be calling. I think leading or checking with two pair can be good depending on whether or not he's inducable. If he's inducable, always better to check

Time Link to 00:31:37

fold 5th? your hand is super obvious?

Time Link to 00:32:22

In Ray Zee's book he says that you shouldn't fold if you know that he has Kings here because you can fold easily when he makes an open pair.
-Does this only apply to lose structures?
-Except the fact that we would make incorrect folds on future streets, it seems to be better if we don't know if villain has Kings or even worse with a King kicker because then we can make a more +ev call on all streets and 7th
-even if I knew that he had kings I stil would not fold the river because it doesn't take much imagination for a good player what the correct adaption vs me is going to be, hence, should I be folding 5th to avoid these situations? Until I feel he is overdoing 3bets on 3rd...

These are spots I m having difficulties with. Help is appreciated!

Time Link to 00:46:09

that was 100% no bluff. your range mostly consits of 22x so that was a valuebet.

Time Link to 00:55:32

pretty sure 4th is a fold and 6th too

Time Link to 00:56:31

7th is a clear c/c as played

Time Link to 00:57:18

these hands are interesting. It depends a lot what his range on 3rd is to decide whether to call or to fold.

Time Link to 00:57:47

I m not sure how to play these hands too. I feel like if we plan on folding 5th UI we should not burn our money by calling 3rd because he is going to have 4 overcards 10% of the time. And the guy with the overcards is going to have the advantage once he knows if we call down with these hands or not.

Folding 3rd could be the best play but someone might convince me otherwise and tell me why calling is so good here.

fold 5th? your hand is super obvious?

i explain why not to fold after the hand.

I know, but still it looks pretty obvious

Can you comment on the other comments as well?

I m not sure how to play these hands too. I feel like if we plan on folding 5th UI we should not burn our money by calling 3rd because he is going to have 4 overcards 10% of the time. And the guy with the overcards is going to have the advantage once he knows if we call down with these hands or not.

Folding 3rd could be the best play but someone might convince me otherwise and tell me why calling is so good here.

22|5 is a fold on 3rd in this shorthanded low ante game for sure. Reverse implied odds are too high.