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This is a supplemental/standalone video in Josh's series and is being provided free for all DeucesCracked members. If you have any questions about the vid let us know, and if there's enough demand I can probably put up a link to the HUD layout.
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Rob
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I'll get the HUD available as soon as we figure out how we want to make downloads available. I think for now I'm going to post it on my blog. I'll post in here when I have that up.
To answer the question about why I don't use street-by-street AF's, it's mainly because I just don't think AF is that useful all around, esepcially for TAGs. First and foremost, it requires a large sample, especially for the turn and river, since in NLHE, most hands don't make it past the flop. Once you get a big enough sample size that all 3 numbers are useful, you've got enough hands for more useful and stats like wwsf, c-bet flop/turn, c/f flop% that can tell give you a better idea of how the player plays in certain situation. And that leads to the second problem with them. They can tell you if a player is more the type to play raise-or-fold, but not really if that aggression is straightforward aggression or bluffy aggression.
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good vid
opinion about by street Agression Frequency? sample size requirements?
aggression frequency is ok for NL. I tried the overall it on my HUD for awhile since I found it so useful in LHE, but it suffers from similar problems as the factor, specifically that it doesn't provide any context for how, when, and with what type of hand the aggression was applied, only whether he likes to bet and raise vs check and call. and street by street, yeah same problem as with the factor, specifically with sample size. Ultimately I got rid of frequency rather than factor. I guess I couldn't get comfortable enough with it.
I definitely encourage trying new stats on your hud, and making mental notes about how players with different levels play. but for most stats, you're going to need several thousand hands, so mostly only look at those players with enough hands. this is how I've become comfortable using so many stats. It started with VPIP/PFR/AF like everyone else, and I've slowly added more. there are all kinds of bet/raise/fold%'s that some people use with great success.
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I'll get the HUD available as soon as we figure out how we want to make downloads available. I think for now I'm going to post it on my blog. I'll post in here when I have that up.
To answer the question about why I don't use street-by-street AF's, it's mainly because I just don't think AF is that useful all around, esepcially for TAGs. First and foremost, it requires a large sample, especially for the turn and river, since in NLHE, most hands don't make it past the flop. Once you get a big enough sample size that all 3 numbers are useful, you've got enough hands for more useful and stats like wwsf, c-bet flop/turn, c/f flop% that can tell give you a better idea of how the player plays in certain situation. And that leads to the second problem with them. They can tell you if a player is more the type to play raise-or-fold, but not really if that aggression is straightforward aggression or bluffy aggression.
Any news on the blog? That layout is awesome.
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Very nice video.
I didn't used the W$SF stat at all.
I tried downloading the layout, but I get an XML error. Main thing I'm interested in is what font you are using for the layout? Like it way better as the standard courier, but tried all kinds of fonts witouth the same results.
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Very nice video.
I didn't used the W$SF stat at all.
I tried downloading the layout, but I get an XML error. Main thing I'm interested in is what font you are using for the layout? Like it way better as the standard courier, but tried all kinds of fonts witouth the same results.
I should add directions. you have to right click-save as. just clicking it brings up a bunch of text. The font I use is Arial.
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Bit late responding to this, but I just joined so...
For several of the stats you say that these require "a large sample size". That's pretty obvious for a lot of them, can you be a bit more number-specific? Especially for the WtSD and W$SF stats.
Very nice video btw, after transitioning from SNGs/MTTs to cash I've been a bit lost as to what HUD stats are useful for cash, this helped a lot!
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Bit late responding to this, but I just joined so...
For several of the stats you say that these require "a large sample size". That's pretty obvious for a lot of them, can you be a bit more number-specific? Especially for the WtSD and W$SF stats.
Very nice video btw, after transitioning from SNGs/MTTs to cash I've been a bit lost as to what HUD stats are useful for cash, this helped a lot!
no problem bumping an old thread. we're always getting more subscribers who haven't seen any of our content, and you're every bit as entitled to ask questions as the people who found us first. we love the comments and questions.
for the thresholds I provided, I'd say 1000 hands for these stats are ok for a rough estimate, and 2000+ hands should be more reliable. unfortunately, I don't know how to run a sim so I can't solve for how many hands I'd estimate you need.
I love the pop-up stats for PAHUD and hold'em manager because it tells you the sample size for each stat, and it's usually pretty apparent how statistically significant the stat is. for instance, if you see someone has check-raised 1/50 flops, that's enough for you to assume a flop check-raise is strong. if he raised 5/50, that's 10%, which is usually a lot, but in this case it's conceivable that he got a couple of extra legitimate check-raising hands over this sample, and his longrun flop c/r% is something like 4%, which is pretty average. so even given a certain sample size, different %'s are more or less likely to be accurate
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