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Tolerance: Episode Four

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Tolerance: Episode Four by threads13

Threads13 talks about putting the learning process into action, going through a pre-session routine, post session review, and other steps to assimilate knowledge along the way.

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Variance is huge in poker and it can drastically slow down the learning process. This series is split into two parts: 1) Identify variance and explaining the fundamental mathematics of variance. 2) Shifting the focus to learning (instead of results) and maximizing our learning.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Micro/Small Stakes
  • 56 minutes long
  • Posted over 1 year ago

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mKey

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Unstable James

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Time Link to 00:31:12

I realize this is just an example and its content doesn't affect the lesson here very much, however I wonder if you meant to construct opponents range with a bunch of air or if you meant it to be more like this:


Board: Kc 8s 3s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 28.824% 28.80% 00.02% 5988 4.50 { QsTs }
Hand 1: 71.176% 71.15% 00.02% 14793 4.50 { 88, AKs, AsJs, As9s, KsJs, Ks9s, Ks8s, Ks7s, Js9s, AKo }

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Unstable James

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GreenCurry

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This was a really nice video.
Thanks!

Posted over 1 year ago

MOM204

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You need to tell them that veganaise is 30$ for an 8 ounce jar. People who eat organic food are a little strange as a whole. I used to work at a organic foods supermarket .

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threads13

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I realize this is just an example and its content doesn't affect the lesson here very much, however I wonder if you meant to construct opponents range with a bunch of air or if you meant it to be more like this:


Board: Kc 8s 3s
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 28.824% 28.80% 00.02% 5988 4.50 { QsTs }
Hand 1: 71.176% 71.15% 00.02% 14793 4.50 { 88, AKs, AsJs, As9s, KsJs, Ks9s, Ks8s, Ks7s, Js9s, AKo }



His range should be something like big hands and flush draws, yes. I may have made a mistake/mis-click and just didn't notice it. With that equity we would probably do better to just fold to his 3-bet.

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threads13

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You need to tell them that veganaise is 30$ for an 8 ounce jar. People who eat organic food are a little strange as a whole. I used to work at a organic foods supermarket .



Na, it's like $5. At least the type I get is.

http://www.organicdirect.com/follow-your-heart-original-vegenaise-organic-16oz-p-3873.html

Posted over 1 year ago

zenben

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Time Link to 00:46:44

whats the worst hand you'd call here with? AJ? What about AK? Does having the Kd make any difference?

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Gert_en_Piet

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His range should be something like big hands and flush draws, yes. I may have made a mistake/mis-click and just didn't notice it. With that equity we would probably do better to just fold to his 3-bet.



Yeah, you gave villain all the combos of the suited hands instead of only the spade combos.

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threads13

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whats the worst hand you'd call here with? AJ? What about AK? Does having the Kd make any difference?



I think it's a fold regardless. There isn't too big of a difference in equity to have AK instead of AT here. We are behind versus his value range. That makes our hand a bluff catcher. When he is bluffing, which he rarely is, we are slightly ahead. Most of the time this is for value so we can't catch bluffs. The only thing having AK changes is we are not as crushed versus his value range. All of those hands have terrible equity versus his range at this point.

Having the Kd makes it less likely that he is bluffing so that makes it even more of a fold.

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zenben

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I think it's a fold regardless. There isn't too big of a difference in equity to have AK instead of AT here. We are behind versus his value range. That makes our hand a bluff catcher. When he is bluffing, which he rarely is, we are slightly ahead. Most of the time this is for value so we can't catch bluffs. The only thing having AK changes is we are not as crushed versus his value range. All of those hands have terrible equity versus his range at this point.

Having the Kd makes it less likely that he is bluffing so that makes it even more of a fold.



Ok, thanks

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doc.lemon

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Time Link to 00:05:37

I find it very hard to automatise my actions and not think about them. The usual advice is to play 4 tables with extensive notes/reads and paying attenton to the tables...Well if you do that then there are so many variables in so many hands which you can't standardise, and you need to constantly adjust to specific boards and opponents unless you got a massive amount of experience in every spot, which isn't the case for ssnl players.

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doc.lemon

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maybe my strategy to always play most +ev and adjust to try to adust to every situation is wrong? I mean I do mark a hand when the villain is not an ultra stadard tag and a specific situation came up, but I still need to think about the best course of action in the 10-30s I have when any non-standard variables arise?

Is this a waste of brain space and I should just go wih my instinctive play without giving it much thought and review the spots later?

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doc.lemon

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I can see some light walks and healthy eating plus meditation. I am in a horile shape and really need heavy excercise because my muscle are almost non- existent and I am overweight. I have joined alocal gym with sauna, swimming, classes etc. I found out that while this has great effects on me, I am usually really tired after a strong workout session, and if I excercise after poker at 8pm I have trouble sleeping.

Would your advice be to simply get through it, play poker and excercise on the sane day as in time I will get fit enough that the workouts won't have effect on my play(or will have, bt positive), or would you simply set aside days where I either do the strong workout/sauna, OR play poker?

At what times you do your heavy excercise if you do it?

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Time Link to 00:33:11

Great Series !

The river bluff here , thoughts on bet sizing ? bigger bluffs = more FE = less variance = high EV ?

would $9 or $10 bet not suit better , get a few extra combos to fold here.

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The river bluff here , thoughts on bet sizing ? bigger bluffs = more FE = less variance = high EV ?

would $9 or $10 bet not suit better , get a few extra combos to fold here.




Hard to say in this particular spot. Often times that can be the case, but sometimes bigger bets look "bluffy" so you actually can decrease your FE. I think anywhere in the the $7-$10 range is good.

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doc.lemon

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and no answers tomy questions on previous page?I r dissapoint.

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I can see some light walks and healthy eating plus meditation. I am in a horile shape and really need heavy excercise because my muscle are almost non- existent and I am overweight. I have joined alocal gym with sauna, swimming, classes etc. I found out that while this has great effects on me, I am usually really tired after a strong workout session, and if I excercise after poker at 8pm I have trouble sleeping.

Would your advice be to simply get through it, play poker and excercise on the sane day as in time I will get fit enough that the workouts won't have effect on my play(or will have, bt positive), or would you simply set aside days where I either do the strong workout/sauna, OR play poker?

At what times you do your heavy excercise if you do it?



Sorry about missing this. I read it and wanted to think about it and come back an articulate answer, and then I totally spaced it instead. Smile My apologies and thanks for reminding me.

I'm not a personal trainer, but I think it would be best to keep your extreme workout days and your poker playing days separate in the meantime. You could just do something like study on days where you feel really worn out from the workout. Like you said, in time you should be able to do both during the same day. I definitely would keep working out hard though. That is extremely important for your health.

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threads13

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I find it very hard to automatise my actions and not think about them. The usual advice is to play 4 tables with extensive notes/reads and paying attenton to the tables...Well if you do that then there are so many variables in so many hands which you can't standardise, and you need to constantly adjust to specific boards and opponents unless you got a massive amount of experience in every spot, which isn't the case for ssnl players.



I think it could be a combination of different things.

You may need to have a more studied and thought out plan. For example, what do you do on with AK on a KT6r42 flop when you raised from early position and are called by the button? You should have a general strategy and you should know when you want to change it. This is a situation that you should aim to to have to the point of unconscious incompetence (as it is very common). You should also aim to know when you might change this strategy.

Of course, you should definitely be taking reads on certain players, but be careful not to over-think things too much (this is just speculation, but I have seen it from a lot from other players). A lot of times our reads need converging evidence and a lot of times stats can be taken to mean too much. For example, say our villain in the above example has folded to 2/2 turn c-bets. That, to me, doesn't mean we should change our turn strategy. We don't really have so much evidence that we should be making drastic changes to our default strategy.

So, in summary, definitely keep taking reads, but also realize that you should try work these things out away from the table so that you know what you should do at the table. Also, work out when you should change from your default strategy. Finally, make sure you don't change your default strategy too quickly. When non-standard stuff happens, you will have to think it through and figure out what to do. However, you should then take a look at this hand in your post-session routine and then next time you are in a similar spot you will know what to do.

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wyvernmonarch7

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Time Link to 00:40:41

regarding the hand with 86 on 633 flop vs opponents AK

I would check the river, intending to turn my hand into a bluff with a checkraise to represent a spade flush/boat/trips should he be value betting an ace. A spade flush and a boat seem very unlikeley for him to have (88 only probably). This play would be terrible if the opponent was a fish, but ya I think even bad regs will fold to a large checkraise here.

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