cash game player asking : what about a call there with AQ ? 15% of our stack isn't that much when we miss and vilain keeps being aggro is it ? The fact is that I don't see many worst hands calling our shove preflop or better hands folding.
Well, as I alluded to in the video/earlier in the thread comments, it's pretty marginal of a shove with no reads facing the 3x from EP, but it's definitely close no matter how you slice it.
The fact is I would basically never call here and I think it's very very clearly a push or fold situation. With 20bb's you are indeed risking a lot to take a flop, 15% is not a marginal figure, *especially* if you're planning to play 'fit or fold' post flop. I mean if you're willing to get it in on ace high flops, I have to imagine it's because you think there are enough worse Ax hands or random lower pairs/draws that he'd stack off with, meaning it is increasingly likely that re-stealing preflop would have shown a clear profit, and likely moreso than any other option (aka it would've been optimal if those conditions hold true post flop).
As I indicated earlier, opponents don't have to be *all* that loose to make shoving AQo here profitable, and again while there are plenty of tight players 3x'ing in EP with this stack where this is a pretty clear fold pre (and I probably should've just folded it here as the absolute nuts of my folding range), there are plenty who don't understand bet sizing with 20bbs and are happy to open 3x and call it off here with the AJ or KQ type hands that we hope for. There are yet other opponents who might even call off AJ but fold 55, which are obv. the best kind of villain to have in this spot! Not saying it's the norm but it happens quite a bit, and certainly enough so that I felt it close enough of a shove to just stick it in here begrudgingly (note: if I had folded, it also would have been quite begrudgingly).
edit: I think it's reasonable to say that an evil looking cat avatar with 4-5 stars showing is a clear shove here with no additional information. Questionably calmer cats showing 2 stars can get the fold Wish I was joking but I think it's reasonable to consider these things absent any more solidified reads/info.
Hope that helps clarify my position a bit.
edit: also noticed you said "The fact is that I don't see many worst hands calling our shove preflop or better hands folding."
While this is relevant and I spoke to it a bit above, it's not really what push/folding or restealing in tournaments is about. We make our money from all of the hands that they open and decide to fold, in addition to the times they may fold better or get it in with worse specifically. They can still open a pot, fold a worse hand to your resteal, and you still may well have made the most money that you could have on that hand AKA you'd have taken the best line possible (AND can often be happy that they folded a worse hand, believe it or not!) We simply aren't in the cash game dynamic where we can take a lot of flops light against varying stack sizes. Even in cash games I doubt it's right to peel in position with any frequency against really short stacks as opposed to taking away their ability to win the pot post flop/helping to negate the edge lost while having to play against short stackers. Of course this depends on a litany of factors but I think it's a generally reasonable assumption in my experiences.
As a general aside; No matter how well we re-steal, we will indeed run into the nuts some % of the time, get into pretty close spots with others given the short and mid stack dynaics of MTTs, etc... and while of course important to consider all the dynamics present in the specific spot, we can't be so results oriented that we end up missing out on picking up tons of chips in the middle game. I mention this because I see a lot of regs run into a big hand and then nit it up for far too long after and end up costing themselves a lot of money unnecessarily, in large part due to a standard cooler that happened several orbits before.