Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by terp (Micro/Small Stakes)

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took well over an hour there, not impressive at all.

Just to play devil's advocate:

On the 'one and done' boards like JT8ss could you not argue that the villains c/c range will never include any v.strong made hands since he would have to c/r due to the drawy nature of the board, and also that he may c/r his stronger draws?

Also if we were to fire two barrels on such a board and it bricked off (maybe we have a draw ourselves i dunno) would it not be a good spot to fire a third; since a lot of his range will be like T9 type stuff that is much stronger on the turn than the river?

On the 'one and done' boards like JT8ss could you not argue that the villains c/c range will never include any v.strong made hands since he would have to c/r due to the drawy nature of the board, and also that he may c/r his stronger draws?

I was thinking this as well. Is it more the fact that the "scare cards" would be likely to be in his range as well? Also is it even that profitable to fire the "one" if you have like 56? This is a board where I usually don't waste a cbet, especially out of position

The series is very good. Some people probably get bored since it's not a "fun" video but I love it keep it coming

Just to play devil's advocate:

On the 'one and done' boards like JT8ss could you not argue that the villains c/c range will never include any v.strong made hands since he would have to c/r due to the drawy nature of the board, and also that he may c/r his stronger draws?

My thoughts too. Anything that c/c this board is most often a weak pair/draw. If a blank falls I think you could bomb the turn aswell with a high rate of success.

Just to play devil's advocate:

On the 'one and done' boards like JT8ss could you not argue that the villains c/c range will never include any v.strong made hands since he would have to c/r due to the drawy nature of the board, and also that he may c/r his stronger draws?


My thoughts too. Anything that c/c this board is most often a weak pair/draw. If a blank falls I think you could bomb the turn aswell with a high rate of success.

Without a read this a often a bad idea. If we have total air since we end up with betting the river too often. 3-barrels should NOT be our ABC line at ssnl of msnl. Bet the turn with hands like 55. That is, turn 55 into a bluff and I like a lot more, since we now have show down value against the draws that do call us.

I was thinking this as well. Is it more the fact that the "scare cards" would be likely to be in his range as well? Also is it even that profitable to fire the "one" if you have like 56? This is a board where I usually don't waste a cbet, especially out of position

The series is very good. Some people probably get bored since it's not a "fun" video but I love it keep it coming

Yea I always kinda thought that i shouldnt cbet this board unless I was gonna fire multiple streets (if the situation came right)

Just to play devil's advocate:

On the 'one and done' boards like JT8ss could you not argue that the villains c/c range will never include any v.strong made hands since he would have to c/r due to the drawy nature of the board, and also that he may c/r his stronger draws?

Also if we were to fire two barrels on such a board and it bricked off (maybe we have a draw ourselves i dunno) would it not be a good spot to fire a third; since a lot of his range will be like T9 type stuff that is much stronger on the turn than the river?

great point, and this is really the point of the whole series - we lay out some basic recommendations and you guys run away with it.

these kinds of boards are horrible to double barrel - but they can be great to triple barrel. due to the fact that a turnbet is getting called a LOT, we need to be able to play the river really well to begin contemplating a triple. what cards will he fold on? bricks? draw-completing cards?

and of course, if you find idiots who peel 44 on these boards, don't rigidly stick to this plan and enjoy the fact that online poker is dying

ah ok thanks for the reply terp

Here you go:

Episode Four Powerpoint (PPT format)

Rob

Great video as usuall, thanks.

In the Kh4c2d Jh Ah example, if we bet that river i think we polarize our range a lot, because(although i understand we can easily valuebet any king in some cases) because in my opinion the majority of average regs wont ever understand or believe it.

I mean on flop and turn we are saying we have a K(or better but thats rare) and now an A comes and we bet river big(cause pot is big) - i think lots of regs with some ability to read hands wont believe us and will be complentating a call with random hands like 88(but its incredibly hard to make that call and we can also totaly own them later with KQ here). So in the end they still probably cant call even though they dont believe us, sweet

One of my January goals was to go through eps 4-8 of this series and actively watch. I did that with this one after having a pretty crappy morning session and made a specific point to try to identify these situations. Well...

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
Th

BTN: $60.00
SB: $152.00
BB: $137.40
UTG: $42.00
Hero (MP): $100.00
CO: $100.00

Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is MP with A T
1 fold, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, SB calls $3.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($9.00) K 4 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $6, SB calls $6

Turn: ($21.00) 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $15, SB calls $15

River: ($51.00) K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $30, SB tanks and folds

Final Pot: $51.00
Hero wins $48.45
(Rake: $2.55)

Nh rasputin imo.

Hand Readers Ep 4

I am really enjoying the series. It is making me think alot not only about
trying to read hands better, but also having a plan for the rest of the
hand. One piece of advice I picked up was that the range narrows as the
hand go's along and does not grow. In hindsight this is obvious, but I for
one suddenly made the range grow when a scare card came on the turn/river.
I am sure I am losing heaps of value here. Hopefully with lots of
thought,practice and review of my hands I can pick these spots in the
future.

The question:
At about 20 mins 40 sec into the video it was mentioned that you might
consider double barrelling into a hand Kh 9s 8s more than on the hand Jh Th
8c.

My initial reaction was - yeah it sounds about right. BUT.

I went through the exercise of what hands could people be holding that they
would want to see the turn with I came up with this range

AA-A7
KK-K9
QQ-Q8
JJ-J7
TT-T7
99-97
88-87
77-76
I will not count pairs from 6's to 2's even though I think probably a lot of
people would still see the turn with them.
Any 2 hearts

So if the turn comes a A, K, Q, J, T, 9, 8, 7, 6 or heart I think thats a
bad card for us as it fits in this range. So thats 37 cards (if my maths is
correct)

It makes perfect sense for me not to double barrel with 37 out of 47 cards
helping them.


I then had a look at Kh 9s 8s to see why double barrelling here might be
considered.

The range I came up with was
AA-AQ
KK-KQ
QQ-Q8
JJ-J7
TT-T6
99-97
88-86
77-76
again I discounted the rest of the pairs
Any 2 spades.

Again I think if the turn comes a A, K, Q, J, T, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5 or spade then
that is a card that fits this range
By my reckoning that is 40 cards out of 47 cards that helps them.

Could you please comment on:
a. the range I have given, to see if it correct/to narrow/to wide, and
b. on the cards that hit the turn that I think are bad for us, again to see
it I am somewhat correct or way off.

If the flop is broadway rag rag and you cbet and get a call, a turn broadway will crush a large majority of hands that called the flop bet making the turn barrel effective.

Alternatively, if the flop came broadway broadway rag, most hands that call a flop bet will pick up a gutshot or possibly even two pair on a broadway turn, meaning they are terrible cards to barrel if you don't pick up equity.

If you bet a very disconnected board like k27 and the turn is a 3, which as I understand it is a bad card to barrel, doesn't the fact that you ARE betting (this would be against an opponent who can read hands knows this is not a good barrel card) actually strengthen your perceived range in his mind therefore increasing fold equity?

right - this is what is typically called leveling. exploiting the appearance of a situation to produce a desired result.

on the other hand, a lot of players these days expect a double barrel on this board but not a triple, since they think THEIR turn call will look a lot like Kx that is never folding river

Yeah I guess that is the perfect example of leveling. Thanks for your time

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Do you really expect anyone to fold KQ even if the turn is Jh river Ah and we bet bet bet? I'm just not sure if most people would.

some people won't but it is pretty much the nut runout for our range. in essence, if they calldown, either they suck and call too much or we bluff too much. (it's also possible both are true and they aren't calling down for the right reasons!)