Poker Video: MTT/SNG by AMT (Micro/Small Stakes)

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haha yep Sorry about the delay btw, I was under the impression that this was going to be aired soon after I recorded, but there were some scheduling conflicts. Better late than never!

Found the thread if anyone wanted it handy for reference:

http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/25-Tournament-Poker/245331-how-do-you-play-10-s-utg

edit: I see it is already linked in the description. Rusty is a ninja.

Interesting stuff AMT- enjoyed your comments. Certainly has made me think about my thought process in these kind of spots (i obv posted in the thread in question so im grateful for the feedback you gave on my comment.) In fact me and Browndog this weekend had a debate over a game in which he started with 20bbs and what yr startegy should be from a bet/jam/fold perspective. Coincidence

In fact me and Browndog this weekend had a debate over a game in which he started with 20bbs and what yr startegy should be from a bet/jam/fold perspective. Coincidence

He can read minds!!! Certainly made me think more i love vids that make me think

Wow your ranges seem way off? In a 9handed STT no way any decent player will shove ATs or AJo over an utg 2.5x from a 14bb stack. Pretty sure a more realistic jamming range is TT+/AQ+ for someone with 13bb. You almost overrep your hand by 2.5x'ing with 14bbs, and every reg that considers you someone decent/tight will know you're going to be supertight and raise/folding very little. Even bad players will realise your open in 1st position with the tiny stack means strength and not just stick it in with 55 or AT...

Btw no antes and 14bb effective there's really no reason for us to raise more than a minraise, you're never getting flatted.

Wow your ranges seem way off? In a 9handed STT no way any decent player will shove ATs or AJo over an utg 2.5x from a 14bb stack. Pretty sure a more realistic jamming range is TT+/AQ+ for someone with 13bb. You almost overrep your hand by 2.5x'ing with 14bbs, and every reg that considers you someone decent/tight will know you're going to be supertight and raise/folding very little. Even bad players will realise your open in 1st position with the tiny stack means strength and not just stick it in with 55 or AT...

Btw no antes and 14bb effective there's really no reason for us to raise more than a minraise, you're never getting flatted.

Thanks for the post. The program only calculates calling a shove, not shoving over opens, so the simulation assumes we are just open jamming. I agree something like 55 isn't in a lot of 12bb stack calling ranges here, but with little to no info on readless opponents at low buy in SNGs I had to draw the cutoff somewhere, and if I make it 66 or even 77+ for him I doubt it changes the results of the simulation much. Maybe it's a bit loose but I think it serves its purpose for a basis in discussion of the situation. If I remember post-holiday, I will re-do the simulation to confirm that it shouldn't matter a lot for this purpose.

My point with it all is that with a strong hand like TT, the looser the ranges, generally the more it works in our favor (compared to other hands/spots where them tightening up in playing ranges works to our advantage), and it is likely that guys will be playing looser to a small open than to a big jam UTG in these structures, hence I like a small open better (but again it's something we'd have to do out by hand or with wiz, as this program can't calculate that specifically). Whether they fold 66 to a jam and decide to play it behind a small open, or are folding it in all situations and only playing TT+ to a jam and shoving 88+ over small opens, the point still stands.

I also agree that a min raise is probably best, but I really find it difficult to estimate the profitability differences vs. assumed playing ranges if you make it 200 vs. 225 here or something, especially with any possible psychological impacts when random villains are facing a min raise compared to a slightly bigger open (where it's easily possible that this would be hero's first minraise of the tournament). I'm not comfortable enough saying 'making it any more than 2x exactly is a mistake', but I'll definitely agree, it's unnecessary to make any bigger open, even though I disagree that you're 'never' getting flatted here---seems like that's giving AP randoms at the lower buy ins a lot of credit.

That makes sense, the gain from winning the blinds is relatively small with a 14bb stack but if people are calling lower pairs we get so much +cEV that our bias against confrontation is offset.

I'm unsure of the buyin of this sng though (doesn't say or am i missing it?), I think definitely at <10$ buyin shoving or 2.5x'ing becomes more appealing as I do think we may get flatted by random stuff like KQ if we minraise. If the buyin is >10$ and it plays anything like the sngs on stars then I think we should minraise always, and fold to a shove from stacks covering us (as they will have JJ+/AK), calling the shorter stacks barring some extreme case where someone jams and another player snapcalls or something.

The only problem I have with a minraise is that the big blind can profitably set mine getting 3.5:1 direct odds and about 12:1 more implied, but I'm not too worried about the big blind both realising this ánd getting dealt a setminable pair.

Anyway about ranges calling a 14bb shove, I don't play that many sngs but I play a lot of tournaments, and I'm assuming people call a bit tighter in sngs as they're closer to the money, and I don't think almost anyone calls off a 14bb utg shove with 55, 66 or AT. The main problem with adding these hands into the ranges is that they play really poorly vs TT so we're greatly overestimating our equity.

That said, the overall point obviously stands, if your hand is as strong as TT and we have relatively many bbs getting called wide is good for us (and adding to that, if our #bbs goes down getting folds will be better as doubling up is less significant/winning blinds is a bigger %increase of our stack or if our hand goes down in strength getting folds is better).

With the BB being so short at <7bb really don't think there's a big problem with the minraise, as I think he's a lot less likely to be a flat caller compared with one of the 15+bb stacks in front of him (and assuming he's a low buy in random, not upset really when he peels pre regardless). Think you had it right initially in that regard. Nice post, otherwise pretty much agree with all of it, thanks for chiming in here.

I'm not 100% sure of the buy in. When I was recording I kind of recalled browndog posting some $5-10 hands so was assuming it was one of the two (apologies for not making this clear at first), but it's possible it was in the $20 range. Maybe he can chime in and confirm for us.

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