YUMMYBUFFET
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very nice - keep these comin!!
and good point - villain's so likely to call the turn w/ a draw and Ax but not the river. at first i focused on how nasty it is to be c/r on the turn, but value outweighs that because villain is so loose passive and the board gives him a ton to call with.
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bosko
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This was probs implicit in what you were saying, but it's pretty awesome that, with this line, we get to build a pot to set up a big riverbet for our potential nut flush while valuebetting the turn.
Whereas, if we check back, we only get one small bet in (in total) when we hit on the river, getting far far less value from our spade-related equity.
Thanks for the vid 
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stxs999
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I want everyone that watches Baluga videos to listen from 13:01 for about 7 seconds and realize that this guy is a complete douche bag. You literally laugh at a guy posting on the forum with a comment, including his name and simply make his statement a joke. Instead, you could have taken this opportunity as a coach and said simply "I think this is the wrong approach, because of xyz". Why are you laughing Baluga? What is so funny about a guy trying to post his thoughts and getting the advantage of getting feedback?
You are completely unprofessional and your stupid laughs every 20 seconds is about as annoying as one can get. Listen to a foxwoodfiend, WOT, Krantz, JK3A, Dani, and hell even Gman to learn how to professionally respond to people that pay money to this site.
You get the Douchebag award from me and have lost me as a follower to this seriers.
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OneMoreShot7
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wow, you should relax dude, hes just being personable and relating to member that their thought process was incorrect. And it wasn't in an aggressive way the members in the video were all satisfied. We would be lucky to have a coach analyze one of our threads through this site dont discourage that by taking something personal that isnt necessary
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KRANTZ
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I want everyone that watches Baluga videos to listen from 13:01 for about 7 seconds and realize that this guy is a complete douche bag. You literally laugh at a guy posting on the forum with a comment, including his name and simply make his statement a joke. Instead, you could have taken this opportunity as a coach and said simply "I think this is the wrong approach, because of xyz". Why are you laughing Baluga? What is so funny about a guy trying to post his thoughts and getting the advantage of getting feedback?
You are completely unprofessional and your stupid laughs every 20 seconds is about as annoying as one can get. Listen to a foxwoodfiend, WOT, Krantz, JK3A, Dani, and hell even Gman to learn how to professionally respond to people that pay money to this site.
You get the Douchebag award from me and have lost me as a follower to this seriers.
i don't know why you think it's OK to call someone a douchebag here, but it's not. next time you want to post anything like this, don't.
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DireStr88
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Huh, I misread the SB's stack size as 138.96 in the original thread, at an effective stack size of 200 the plan is just to bet/fold ~ 36 to charge KQ, KT, JT, clubs on the turn and prepare to PSB a spade on the river no?
I can't view the video from here, but I'm pretty sure I completely botched it. If he's as short as I thought, are we increasing our bet size on the turn to increase our value without a sizable bet left behind at 1/2psb, 1/2psb? At that SPR, how do you leverage your stack when betting is borderline commitment?
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petzergling
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bearsnoozle
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Poemmel
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fwiw i thought the guy saying the betsize was scary is pretty funny too
I think you and Baluga underestimate the psychology of betsizes.
Vs a fish it's not that big of a deal, cause they call/raise/fold based on their hand and not on the betsize, but vs bit better players there is definitely merit in chosing your betsize under and over certain amounts (96$ instead of 106$ if you are valuebetting for example).
Obv they don't have to be very good so that they realize what we are doing, but there are a lot of bad regs in the poker world 
And I think stxs999 is the only one that has any problem with this laughs ^^
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Prologion
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just4grind0r
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just4grind0r
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i made it actually >20, so that the regs fold, and the fish dont mind betsizes (forget that when i post the hand^^)
fmp
last question: we bet about 48, fish calls, river is a blank maybe a 2 no clubs and spades, and fish openshoves, what we do here?
fish was passive so we fold?
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YUMMYBUFFET
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eraser
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Isn't the counter-argument be that, loose-passive recreational players are notorious for betting the river when they miss their draws and their opponent checks the turn, which means we would actually get more value from his FDs if we check back the turn.
I totally understand the theme of the video that we should bet earlier streets with made hands on a drawy board, because we get more value from his draws earlier (and we have more draws ourselves so induces lighter calls). However, if someone is a)bluffing their draws often if they miss OTR, and/or b)is more willing to call a river bet with marginal made hands if it goes b/c/b, then I think it is better to check back the turn.
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DireStr88
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There's no guarantee villain bets larger into us with the missed flush on the river than he'll call on the turn and checking back disregards building the pot for the flush. I think his willingness to call a bet on the river compared to call a bet on the turn here may actually go down, fish like their KQ when it draws to the straight but it doesn't look as good on the river when it's just 2nd pair. Also vs the top of his range (like AK or AJ) we lose less by choosing our bet size on the turn than calling his bet size on the river and we potentially stack him if the flush comes in. I think it's important to take the money from KQ, QJ, KT, JT now, charge vs. the draw, block vs. the AK/AJ and set ourselves up for the flush because we don't have a good line for extraction on the river if we don't bet the turn.
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Prologion
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fmp
last question: we bet about 48, fish calls, river is a blank maybe a 2 no clubs and spades, and fish openshoves, what we do here?
fish was passive so we fold?
yeah, definetely.
The bluffingfreq. of a passive fish in this spot using this line is on average just too low (though FDs would bust).
Usually he will have here a slowplayed hand (>Onepair) without a special read in the past.
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Pechorin
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