Soepgroente
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It's kinda funny I had never realised the #4/#5 are such a big difference and I realised the 7 blocker thing right before you mentioned it. Ninja.
Are we losing 2 bets to #3-1? Sorry if this was mentioned but that makes the decision really close (lose 2 bets 3 times win 1 bet 4 times but blocking a lot of combos should make things superclose). Also I think most opponents will not raise #8 or even #7. Though then again some may raise #10, but I think specific reads on that will help sway a close decision into a clear one.
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Schweig
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Agree with Soep that a lot of players will flat here with #8, #7. Specific reads and gameflow will dictate how wide they are value raising and if I can 3b, but as a default I think this is a flat especially if I 3b I will crying call the river 4b despite it being good hardly ever.
FWIW I think #4 is the place where people put one bet in too many in these types of spots the most, which causes them to put in two bets in too many. They go 'I have a 7 and this is an aggressive game, go for value!' when it's not that ahead of a raising range and you lose two bets when you're beat.
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Toni Cogin
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DeathDonkey
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Is hero betting out any 7 and any 8 on the river?
This is necessary if BU can raise #8 but i dont think its correct to lead out all 7s and 8s all the times.
I agree its not always correct, but here I think its fine, we took a line that can look a bit suspicious. I'm also fine with an alternative strategy of checking this spot with most of our range and mixing in some CRs fwiw.
You guys are def right that the river is not a no brainer, but I was trying to find a good hand to exemplify the specific concept of the diff between num 4 and num 5, thought this was close at least.
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Schweig
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but I was trying to find a good hand to exemplify the specific concept of the diff between num 4 and num 5, thought this was close at least.
Yeah I think this is the closest you can get. The blocker/combinatoric thing is interesting but it happens to not have many practical applications because I think very often #4 and #5 deserve the same amount of bets, because you are often in a situation where your opponent can have a wide range of 87s or better and both are clear raises, or one where he has a decent 86 or better and both become flats.
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HJD
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i think the most interesting (and possibly useful) part of the video was glossed over, lol! as V, should we r/f #6 there? i believe we should, and i try to. obv sometimes i tilt call and get shown the nuts, but do we really think people will start trying to exploit the 3 hand-range that we have that r/f's the river there by mixing in spew-3bets?
to me it seems like the same situation that comes up with b/f'ing. we are protected by the stronger parts of our range that call the raise.
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