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Welcome to the premere of Hand Readers with Orange and Terp. To start the series they lay some basics for what the series will contain as well as discuss topics like the Fundamental Theorem of Poker and some hand examples.
Ask any great No Limit player what his biggest strength is, and he’ll tell you it’s his ability to read hands. We hear the term “hand ranges†thrown around left, right and center. Why? Orange and terp explore the answer in this series, primarily focused on hand reading, equity distribution and balancing. A must watch for any micro or small stakes player.
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"Detroit Tigers"....what a tell ![]()
SWEET video
you know, it's like you both know that the other knows what you know and is like you know, you know?
in all seriousness: solid content, but too much on the fly and excess rambling
more words isn't always better, try to keep it short and to the point
looking forward to the rest of the series yo
Awesome video, really liked the flow that the concepts came out in. ![]()
Also, perhaps turn off the screensaver ![]()
Hey nice debut, guys. I liked this video. Even though I dont play nl, this looks like it my be pretty applicable for limit as well
Very nice video, really liked it. Somehwat basic, but as I keep forgetting things like this from time to time it's always good to be remembered. Also I really like the educational value, you have presented your content really well. Can't wait to see more.
But I kinda disagree with the action on the T8dd hand. I have stoved some ranges and found out that against most we are only slightly ahead or slightly behind. If villain is somewhat passive and flats two pair or a set on the flop we are even further behind.
I agree that AT is a definite value bet, and most likely QT and JT are as well, but with T8 I think we are just not good enough to value bet the turn.
Nice video terp.
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reduce *youknowing* plz
liked it... got a question about the T8 hand
What would your river plan be (on a blank river) if we held AJ and decided to bluff the turn?
nice vid.
you could probably turn off the screensaver tho...
few technical difficulties but a nice vid. Looking forward to the rest of it!
Very nice video, really liked it. Somehwat basic, but as I keep forgetting things like this from time to time it's always good to be remembered. Also I really like the educational value, you have presented your content really well. Can't wait to see more.
But I kinda disagree with the action on the T8dd hand. I have stoved some ranges and found out that against most we are only slightly ahead or slightly behind. If villain is somewhat passive and flats two pair or a set on the flop we are even further behind.
I agree that AT is a definite value bet, and most likely QT and JT are as well, but with T8 I think we are just not good enough to value bet the turn.
I think the best line to extract value especially from draws is to bet the turn. Cb turn is offering Villan a free card. We would have to call a riverbet when the river blanks to pic up bets by busted draws, even if he already has us beat. So we would pay him off another street anyway if we are behind. In addition you would 2nd barrel this turncard with a lot of yout air, too.
Nice vid, guys! Don`t mind the screensaver. At the first time I thought it would be mine...
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Hey guys, great video!
I have a question about the T8dd hand where we 2barrel the Th6c5c Ks Turn.
As I understand, we would 2barrel this turn with our entire range. We're using the K as a scarecard with AJ Q7cc and J4, we obviously Vbet Kx and also hands like QQ JJ Tx.
But once we're using it as a scarecard, won't it decrease villain's calling range to such an extent, that he won't call with less than Tx? It feels to me like he folds everything we're ahead of and he calls with everything better (except for draws).
I mean, I vbet this turn all day, and it seems to work, but I don't really understand the reasoning behind it. Does it work because villain knows that we bluff the K very often? Are we capable of vbetting this turn only because we also bet the rest of our range? Are we merging/balancing our range on the turn? And is this the reason why this Vbet works?
Or, let me say it differently: Maybe balancing is the reason why we can get called by worse pairs? I guess our main equity there comes from Draws. But with that reasoning, shouldn't we be more inclined to check behind on a dry board like "Th 6c 2d Ks" ?
hi, nice video!
i have a question on the JJ hand, what if on the river comes a J, it will complete 78, but you would be ahead of T9,JT,33. would you raise there a valuebet, or just call? i suppose vbet if it checkes to you. would you call there an overbet shove?
hi, nice video!
i have a question on the JJ hand, what if on the river comes a J, it will complete 78, but you would be ahead of T9,JT,33. would you raise there a valuebet, or just call? i suppose vbet if it checkes to you. would you call there an overbet shove?
its a definite value bet for sure. and if he leads, we raise for sure as well. if he b/3b we're stuck in an awkward situation but still a call i think. i mean, he could be doing this with a ton lesser hands, AJ, A9, lower sets, etc. we only lose to the tiny combos of what, KQ, 87?
Very good start to the series. Looking forward to watching the rest of it.
Pretty neat video
and very interesting analysis. Thx!
Can you two, you know, umm, err, not stutter (due to lack of preparation not a genuine speech impediment), repeat yourself, and say umm in between every sentence?
It's really distracting especially since both of you say um so frequently it's almost like you encourage each other and feed off of my sanity.
If someone could take this video and just cut the sound whenever an um, err, uhh or the beginning of a repeated phrase is spoken I think this video would be improved immensely.
Of course this is a little too late to help with the series but please, not again.
There were a couple of million dollar points. My favorite is "make sure your range becomes narrower". I could shoot myself when I get confused by a post-flop action of some sort and react by bloating my range (because it's easier than shaving it appropriately).
Great video! Enjoyed the thought process.
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If you decided only to call the tun, to give him the chance to bluff on the river, would you call a river shove no matter what?
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Is it ok to say that A9 is not in his range, as he would be protecting his hand from a flush?
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Could you provide narrowed hand ranges based on flop, turn and river actions? It is never revised after the preflop hand range assigned, which is no unpaired aces or pairs 9s and over.
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Unbelievable video! I am shocked this was 3 years ago, very impressive...can't wait to check out the rest of this series TY!
I'm wondering what a good method of practice is while playing and while not playing. How do you go
about improving your hand reading and opponent reading in an efficient manner? Thanks
I'm wondering what a good method of practice is while playing and while not playing. How do you go
about improving your hand reading and opponent reading in an efficient manner? Thanks
good question
i remember when i was completely new to poker and i had a friend who would discuss what people had before hands were shown down (whispering to me or however). i was amazed and intrigued - what kind of internal logic did he have, and how could i develop it?
alex told me that the best way to do this was simply to practice. your early guesses might be based on the simplest of circumstances ("he raised when a third diamond came so he probably has a flush") but eventually you will modify these ("he tends to bluff a lot so he might just have the straight draw and be trying to bluff the diamonds").
that's pretty much what you have to do. start with the obvious - what happened in the hand? what is the board? compare everything you anticipate with everything you observe.
but at this point is where it becomes difficult for developing players. how do we incorporate the results of what we learn with our thought process and not be results oriented? is there even a difference?
there is a difference. results oriented means, literally, to orient your thinking entirely around the results. that is, if someone had a flush, someone ALWAYS will have a flush ("i thought he had the flush and he DID have the flush, so i should have folded"). what you want to do is compare what you saw here with many other observations and try to figure out HOW OFTEN someone actually has a flush.
so, back to your question.
the main thing is to develop an internal dialogue. ask yourself lots of questions. make this a habit. try to find relationships among pieces of info. learn to look for them, and then learn what to do with them ("now that i know that this player is too aggressive on the flop and too passive on the turn, how can i exploit this?").
when away from the table, revisit hands. show them to friends. cut off the action at the points where you felt stumped, and give your friend all of the objective information you had then. these could be stats, they could be other hands you observed, but try not to provide biased info. see what your friend thinks. now, share your thoughts. do you agree? why not? the benefit of this is twofold - you get the analysis of a second mind, and you get analysis under the same mindframe you had when the hand occurred.
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Hi,
In the 2 exemples you dont show us the hands of villain. Why ? It will be useful for us to understand your assomptions in hand reading
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