Tehanu
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In the ATs hand i think the river bet is ok. Would he call a 2000 bet with a QQ/KK? If he's bad then maybe but i think even a decent player would find a fold on that board so i think a bigger bet is fine and hope he has jacks.
I think 2 pairs and sets are a small part of his range and JJ/QQ/KK make the most of it i think.
In the QQ hand i think the guys hand screams AA/KK and the turn fold is fine. Min-4bet from a weakish/fishy player is AA like always from my own experience.
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oneillsurfer03
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playing this deep some would argue to limp hands like TT. I watched pearl Jammer's sunday million win video and early he limps as strong as QQ. Probably extreme but i think its not too bad to limping TT early on. Personally i probably open and just play more pot control unless i hit a set because obv to get it in with TT at any point with out a set has to be a massive mistake.
Where do you stand on this deep stacked theory of playing more stack protection early on that some ppl like pearl jammer prefer?
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bones
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playing this deep some would argue to limp hands like TT. I watched pearl Jammer's sunday million win video and early he limps as strong as QQ. Probably extreme but i think its not too bad to limping TT early on. Personally i probably open and just play more pot control unless i hit a set because obv to get it in with TT at any point with out a set has to be a massive mistake.
Where do you stand on this deep stacked theory of playing more stack protection early on that some ppl like pearl jammer prefer?
I agree that stack protection is important, but we're 200-500 bbs deep at this point. A single raise or 3 bet isn't going to pot commit me. Provided that you're not going buckwild with 1 pair type hands postflop, I don't see the need to have some incredibly polarized preflop raising range. These levels aren't terribly important unless you have a huge fish at the table, but you can still be very profitable without ever really putting more than 5% or so at risk.
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HEIFER
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in the QQ getting 4bet, i feel strongly that you are beat by aces here. His smallish bets are meant to entice you to call with all hands. he doesn't have many worries given the texture of the board so he probably feels like he can bet small to induce a raise from you or to keep you calling a dominated hand. I agree with you about the river bet. i am sure he was planning on betting a more significant amount on the end hoping you would feel committed enough to call.
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AMT
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i wasnt questioning and i agree with how you decided to play given stacks i was just asking bc the pearljammer vid was so extreme
Pearljammer is a nit.
Re: the ATs bet sizing,
I think it's a spot where he's either going to call or he isn't. There aren't a ton of hands I can think of that call this river to smaller bets a noticeably higher % of the time [unless you donk bet real small, which seems pretty meh]. I think the sizing based on your play on previous streets is fine.
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surfer, where did you see PearjammersVideo? Thanks for responding.
Cheers
i wasnt questioning and i agree with how you decided to play given stacks i was just asking bc the pearljammer vid was so extreme
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Zitouni
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some times ago it was temporary free on a vid's site but I do not find anymore
Thanks Bones for this format. Still interesting for a STT->MTT transitioning player to see your game plan on early levels of MTT
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Curtis
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like you said he prob wouldn't 4bet TT or 99 OOP so early and deep.
He is likely to have AA-KK and possible QQ too.
I think your 3bet-call pre flop so deep could be a lot of thinks, likely to bet 88-QQ obv but also some suited connector cards or somebrodway's suited as too.
The moment he bets flop and you call, i think he may thinks you're call is likely to be (set-overpair-or some open ended or 1pairgutshot)
When he barril turn, u prob should know u'r beat and fold is the most standard move to do but i think its a perfect spot to turn you're hand into a bluff, even knowing its too soon on the tournament and u'r all very deep, it may be some strong reasons so the villain don't think you are going to bluff as much as you would be on other spots, so if u decided to raise turn, or call/shove river, he could never call with he's over pair(assuming that is what were thinking is likely range of course).
If u really decide like i said it before to bluff (which i think its a very OK spot to do it) i think there are 2 options, either raising on the turn, whch i dont think he can have any possibility to call with any over pair either AA or KK (we would never know of course but.. i think its wrong to do it if u dont have any read on opponent) or either call turn and hoping he small betted again river to shove and take a little more "value of you're bluff", this 2nd option its a little more risked because he may be have a donk thinking like "im so commited" or something even leaving 13/15K.
Anyway, its just a thought, sorry for any english leak, GG and GL very very good video !
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