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MTT: Skitz0frenik (#4) - 180man MTT Part 2

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MTT: Skitz0frenik (#4) - 180man MTT Part 2 by Skitz0Frenik

As a follow-up to his recent 180 man MTT live video, Skitz0frenik reviews hands from another $12 180 man MTT that he played shortly thereafter.

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  • Game: mtt
  • Stakes: Mid Stakes
  • 50 minutes long
  • Posted over 4 years ago

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dvv15

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Both 180s are great vids imo!

What is the rough difference between single table and multitable SNG?
Might be a stupid question since the strategy does not change too much i guess, but since the tables are longer full you have to shove more often into more people.

Another question would be: What are your thoughts on the small stakes 45s and 180s in general (level of play, many regs, ROI)?

Posted over 4 years ago

elorean

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w00t, a new SNG video, thanks skitzo for putting it up, can't wait to be back home watching the video,

Posted about 4 years ago

fishtastic

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Time Link to 00:02:08

FYI - the replayer boxes you are talking about aren't actually showing on the screen.

Posted about 4 years ago

DOMSTER

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Time Link to 00:07:33

Hey Skitzofrenik,

thanks for the solid video. I got a question regarding the 44 in the BB. I agree shoving doesnt provide foldequity so folding might be the best play - but what about a stop-and-go? Does it make sense to shove any flop without A or K giving your stack size and the need to get a big stack quickly in these tournies.

Dom

Posted about 4 years ago

Uninc158

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At 14:00 in you talk about shoving 68s at the 150/300 level with 9bb if it folded round to you with 5 ppl left to act everyone covering but the bb, who has 3bb.

Im struggling to see what your logic in doing so is, big blind is going to be calling a decently wide range, he only has 3bb and will be getting 2-1 on his money, presumably the value in shoving 68s is the value in taking the pot down uncontested since we dont have solid equity when called, and we have 5 ppl to go through, and one player who is likely to be calling.

Please explain

Posted about 4 years ago

Skitz0Frenik

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Both 180s are great vids imo!

What is the rough difference between single table and multitable SNG?
Might be a stupid question since the strategy does not change too much i guess, but since the tables are longer full you have to shove more often into more people.

Another question would be: What are your thoughts on the small stakes 45s and 180s in general (level of play, many regs, ROI)?



Not a stupid question! Payout structures are the most important difference. Since different amounts of players get paid off and in different percentages of the prizepool for each structure, our bubble and ITM play has to change accordingly.

Yes, we do have to generally shove more in the multitable SNGs. I like to simplify things and say we need to shove more because, well, there are more players, so therefore more opponents to knock out and more chips needed to do it. If you need a bigger stack, you need to take more risks.

I think the low buy-in 45s and 180s are both excellent games to play. A lot of the single table games are overfilled with regulars, but the 45 and 180s leave more room for fish, and therefore more money for you.

Posted about 4 years ago

Skitz0Frenik

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FYI - the replayer boxes you are talking about aren't actually showing on the screen.



Thanks for pointing that out. Looks like I need to manually set the program to record the full window next time.

Posted about 4 years ago

Skitz0Frenik

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Hey Skitzofrenik,

thanks for the solid video. I got a question regarding the 44 in the BB. I agree shoving doesnt provide foldequity so folding might be the best play - but what about a stop-and-go? Does it make sense to shove any flop without A or K giving your stack size and the need to get a big stack quickly in these tournies.

Dom



I like your line of thought except I don't believe we get him to fold enough with only 800 we have left behind. More importantly, he is raising in middle position and since he doesn't appear to be a maniac at this point, we can't assume our fours are doing well vs. the hands he is raising.

Posted about 4 years ago

Skitz0Frenik

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At 14:00 in you talk about shoving 68s at the 150/300 level with 9bb if it folded round to you with 5 ppl left to act everyone covering but the bb, who has 3bb.

Im struggling to see what your logic in doing so is, big blind is going to be calling a decently wide range, he only has 3bb and will be getting 2-1 on his money, presumably the value in shoving 68s is the value in taking the pot down uncontested since we dont have solid equity when called, and we have 5 ppl to go through, and one player who is likely to be calling.

Please explain



Good catch - actually I just didn't notice the BBs stack size there, which is a mistake on my part. We always need to evaluate the stacks behind us and I failed to do that here. The reason this would NOT be a shove as you pointed out is that we have no FE on the BB. We are only shoving these hands into stacks that will fold a lot (midstacks). Thank you for pointing out my mistake!

Posted about 4 years ago

gtwigger

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Time Link to 00:05:41

I agree with your play here, just by quickly looking up pokeflute, he is a regular player who makes profit, so I think your play is right.

If you are lucky you are 50/50 here, but you are probably dominated

Posted about 4 years ago

gtwigger

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Time Link to 00:13:53

Question for you.

I understand your reasons for shoving 10-15x the BB, however I noticed that you do this will a weak A (i.e. A5 and A7).

A lot of players say its better to shove with 2 near suited connectors rather than with a weak A. Their reasoning being, if you get called you should have to live cards.

Please could you explain your thoughts on this.

Thanks

gtwigger

Posted about 4 years ago

Skitz0Frenik

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Question for you.

I understand your reasons for shoving 10-15x the BB, however I noticed that you do this will a weak A (i.e. A5 and A7).

A lot of players say its better to shove with 2 near suited connectors rather than with a weak A. Their reasoning being, if you get called you should have to live cards.

Please could you explain your thoughts on this.



Thanks

gtwigger



Which hand are you talking about? I agree that it is generally better to shove suited connectors than a weak ace; we do usually have live cards and run better vs. the calling ranges. That said, there are plenty of spots where it is still necessary to shove any ace. Can you point me to exactly which hand you are referring to? Thanks!

Posted about 4 years ago

rnningfool

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Time Link to 00:26:18

I really find this to be a fold pf because this hand is too weak to be opening with 7 people behind. Stacks behind you are all good for re-stealing and this was just incredibly lucky to win this hand the way it happened.

Posted almost 4 years ago

dawheelz

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kudos skitz! really enjoy your videos.. have been a break even tournament player for a few years and recently joined deuces cracked, your videos have rlly helped me open up my game and after watching your 180 man MTT videos i decided to hop in a 180 person turbo and i took it down! can already see my game improving..! looking forward to more and thanks!!

Posted almost 4 years ago

Skitz0Frenik

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kudos skitz! really enjoy your videos.. have been a break even tournament player for a few years and recently joined deuces cracked, your videos have rlly helped me open up my game and after watching your 180 man MTT videos i decided to hop in a 180 person turbo and i took it down! can already see my game improving..! looking forward to more and thanks!!



Great to hear, that's what I'm here for!

Posted almost 4 years ago

Skitz0Frenik

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I really find this to be a fold pf because this hand is too weak to be opening with 7 people behind. Stacks behind you are all good for re-stealing and this was just incredibly lucky to win this hand the way it happened.



I did acknowledge as I started discussing the hand that it normally should be a fold preflop. But, the table was really tight and I never am really getting flatted so a steal attempt is OK, as long as I know I'm only calling that one shortstack's shove. I wouldn't call it "incredibly lucky" to steal the blinds, since we had a plan going forward and it was a pretty tight table.

Posted almost 4 years ago

crunk_buck

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i like what you said about folding the big blind with 10 2 to an open shove, even if your getting 2 to 1 because it would affect your fold equity later on

Posted almost 4 years ago

jark099

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Time Link to 00:17:34

Would you make the call with any two here if you had about 2500 to 3000 chips and losing would ruin your foldequity?

Posted almost 4 years ago

Skitz0Frenik

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Would you make the call with any two here if you had about 2500 to 3000 chips and losing would ruin your foldequity?



Yes because there is just way too much money in the pot at that point to fold anything.

Posted over 3 years ago



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