Poker Video: MTT/SNG by bones (Mid Stakes)

TY for this, but now I'm late for work.

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Limping here also allows the other shorty to pick up a hand, shove and if he gets called, you can lay down your hand in the hopes of getting into the money. I don't know how much of a factor it really becomes when you're going to be left w/ 1/2 of a BB and all in next hand no matter what. With this pay out structure I'd think it's worth considering. I did like the way Bones explained it that it forces them to make a bigger bet to get it in w/ you which could definitely help you get a heads up pot.

Good session guys
Nice results Wixman, nice to see Karma sticking around you for a bit.
Gonna have to try these 18 mans, give me a break from the 9mans.

Dont those Tourny pop ups annoy you guys?

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I did notice that quite a few times you guys were called lightly, its something i am noticing more and more and having to adjust accordingly.

I find the decision to only show two sets of hole cards an unfortunate one. Additionally to the viewer not seeing all the deciding factors, Wixman was left timing out while waiting for Bones to finish a comment, since he (Bones) wasn't able to see a hand worth playing.

Otherwise, I think this dual review is a refreshing change.

Also, raise/folding for 15bb (with a lot of chips behind) far from the bubble with AQo seems really bad, especially against such a random opponent.

I find the decision to only show two sets of hole cards an unfortunate one. Additionally to the viewer not seeing all the deciding factors, Wixman was left timing out while waiting for Bones to finish a comment, since he (Bones) wasn't able to see a hand worth playing.

Otherwise, I think this dual review is a refreshing change.

Also, raise/folding for 15bb (with a lot of chips behind) far from the bubble with AQo seems really bad, especially against such a random opponent.

We tried setting it up to show both sets of holecards, but the screen sharing software wasn't cooperating. It would have involved me sharing my screen with him at the same time he's sharing his screen with me (which happened to be partially showing my screen) all while I'm recording both screens viewing each other. Some weird time-space shit probably would have gone down and if there's one thing I've learned from movies over the years, it's that you don't mess with time-space.

But yeah, the AQ hand could be a call and as I said in the vid, I wouldn't hate it.

oh oh i realized I said i was up to about $270... this was after I withdrew $200 so I'd actually turned my $27 into $470 at this point

54:17 on video, agree with bones I shove 6s here 100% of the time, no need to get fancy here. Raising to call a shove regardless of who is on the big blind, isn't the way i'd tend to to think about this, and it can lead to trouble a lot. If you get flatted by anybody (which altho its pretty weak of them, it happens a lot in micro stakes) you're just going to be staring at over cards and you won't know what to do.

But a shove pre means you have decent fold equity, you pick up the pot uncontested a lot to make it the most profitable play in this situation imo.

As for the vid, enjoyed it. Wixman you definitely have the right idea on how to attack these sngs and I get the impression you've learned a lot from previous vids and basically hardcoring these on a reg basis.

i also love the way how u keep commentating on yr hole cards over the top of bones when hes trying to make a valid point, totally oblivious! makes for funny viewing for sure

Bones, I'm a bit surprised about how tight you are if we are still on the first table. Like the hand @ 46:06 where you shove the 66 at 50/100. You are saying you are mainly shoving pairs and big aces. You also say his call with AJs is bad.

I always thought we have to be quite loose in shoving on the first table compared to 9 mans because it's our goal to collect chips for the final table. What I've read in topics on several forums about 18's that we use the chip equity model in Wiz for the first table and that we switch to $/ICM if we reach the second table. This allows us to shove pretty wide.

What are your toughts about using ChipEv instead of $ on the first table and shoving wide? If I see posts about 18 mans I always see regs give advice about shoving pretty loose in many spots compared to 9 mans. Do you think we should shove wider on the first table in 18 mans SNG's to reach the final table with a decent stack?

You can not use ICM in the first table because you don't know everyone's stack size. That does not mean that it would not be a mistake to use chipEV in the first table. ChipEV is just only thing we can calculate in there. Bubble is a bit farther away, so you can be closer to ChipEV, but in my opinion you shouldn't take thin ChipEV edges. If you double up, you're not doubling your stack's monetary worth. In my opinion 18s play very alike 9s, in 45s and larger you can make a better point about following ChipEV exactly early on.

Hm interesting. So if we analyse push/fold hands on the first table, should we use an edge in Wizard when we are using chipEv like something like 5% of our stack? This way we don't take edges?

Hm interesting. So if we analyse push/fold hands on the first table, should we use an edge in Wizard when we are using chipEv like something like 5% of our stack? This way we don't take edges?

I think we should use minimum edges when analyzing push/fold on the first table, to not take thin edges. I don't have any hard limit on that, I have just used a gut feeling. Probably should save a few lists of everyone's stack size, make ICM calculations and determine the limits with a few experiments.

For AJs to be breakeven cev wise, he needs 47% equity vs my range. AJs is 47% vs. this range 22+,ATs+,KJs+,ATo+,KQo. Given that I'm shoving 12bbs from the co, my range isn't that wide but even if he doesn't know that, he still has 2 people to act behind him.

JtX explained the icm/cev differences and edges well.

nice