Poker Video: Misc/Other by DeathDonkey (Micro/Small Stakes)

A 2-7 video? It's like you guys read my mind. This one's a bit basic for me, but I expect some advanced play later in the series.

Kansas City Lowball is no limit 2-7 single draw.

I'm very excited for this one, I've always enjoyed triple draw but never was able to find much literature about it.

I'm really looking forward to this series. And love the retro intro :-p gg guys.

Good video to cover the basics, i really like how you explain Deathdonkey. And DJ Sensei, you can't seriously make us believe you don't know the game at least a little? You've made mostly really good points.

Wish this game was more common.

2-7 Triple draw fascinates me for some reason.

But for now I only have one odd request: You've HAVE TO make a special Badugi episode! Not that it's the same game or anything, but at least they're related and there's no Badugi stuff anywhere. ;-)

DD,
watched this, read Negreanu's chapter in Super System 2, played some and made a vid.
couple of novice questions.
1)743XX UTG 6 handed, open? maybe you are doing a starting hand chart later?
2)874XX MP open?
3)UTG raises, we are CO with 752XX..do we cold call or 3 bet?
4)How do we treat 765XX, and 654XX?
5) Two players,each drawing one card on the 3rd draw, do we VB a made JXXXX,QXXXX?
6)UTG raises...we are btn with 872XX? we are BB with 42XXX?

i've talked a lot of 2-7 w/ deathdonkey. (please chris let me know if i am way off anywhere here.)
1)usually fold. but deathdonkey has mentioned to me spots where you might open this type of hand if you had some pairs (e.g. 77433) also to increase the chance that you can steal/increase chances your opponents miss draws
2)no
3)i think there are arguments for both options
4)never playable except maybe on button vs tight or bad blinds
5)you shouldn't pat with J or Q (or even T unless you somehow have T6543 or something) vs two opponents drawing 1. but no, you would never value bet a J if you were pat. a bet there would be a bluff imo.
6)872 isn't playable facing a raise from utg. 832, 842, 852 are fine i think. 862 seems close. im assuming an average utg. obviously can change if he's very lag or very nitty.

i've talked a lot of 2-7 w/ deathdonkey. (please chris let me know if i am way off anywhere here.)
1)usually fold. but deathdonkey has mentioned to me spots where you might open this type of hand if you had some pairs (e.g. 77433) also to increase the chance that you can steal/increase chances your opponents miss draws
2)no
3)i think there are arguments for both options
4)never playable except maybe on button vs tight or bad blinds
5)you shouldn't pat with J or Q (or even T unless you somehow have T6543 or something) vs two opponents drawing 1. but no, you would never value bet a J if you were pat. a bet there would be a bluff imo.
6)872 isn't playable facing a raise from utg. 832, 842, 852 are fine i think. 862 seems close. im assuming an average utg. obviously can change if he's very lag or very nitty.

All correct, imo.

3) I tend to flat in this situation, but I see a lot of players prefer 3betting.
4) They're really never playable. No blinds are tight enough to play this.

Cool episode (somehow I find time to watch this and none of the ones of games I actually play haha). Looking forward to playing this, also if you need a student for a Badugi series pick meeeeeeeeee!!!!!!

Hey all,

Completely agree with blumpster and Jigsaws on those specific hand questions. I will discuss the situation in #3 where you can coldcall or reraise in greater detail in later episodes (there is disagreement among even very good players at 100/200+). I read #5 differently in that he was assuming we are one of the 2 players at the end, the answer to whether to value bet a J or Q that you make on the end when both draw one is "it depends A LOT". As I say in this episode that is basically a pure poker theory situation where whichever of you knows more about the other's tendencies and can exploit them, or which of you has the best balanced approach when no better information is present, will make money.

I might do like 1 or 2 badugi episodes at the very end as an intro but depends if they get up for real money on Stars by then. Also I am far less confident that I am a solid winning badugi player due to only playing it in live mix games, so my total hands played is laughably small.

-DeathDonkey

And DJ Sensei, you can't seriously make us believe you don't know the game at least a little? You've made mostly really good points.

I've played about 4 sessions of TD now, lifetime. But DD has taught me a lot already of course. And I like to think my general poker theory mind is pretty strong, so even though I haven't played much of this particular game before, I can pick up quickly on important concepts and how to apply them to new situations.

How would you rate Negreanu's TD chapter in SuperSystem2?

http://www.doylespokerroom.com/poker/triple_draw_poker.cfm

It's very helpful for a new player, with good starting hand requirements. It's a little on the weak tight side. It's all I knew when I started playing, it will give you the most important math (I tried to replicate in the slides) for common situations.

-DeathDonkey

Wouldn't it be better to just discard a 23xxx even after a limp if the rest of the players are agressive?

Nah, its fine to limp behind in later position, because if somebody raises from the blinds then the limper will call and we'll call again, and we're still in a pretty favorable situation. I probably wouldn't limp behind in middle position in an aggressive game though.

Okay, but if you were in a rare occasion and knew that someone is a limp reraiser with premium hands, then you could get jammed in the pot. Depends on the read you have on the player.

I can count on 1 hand the number of times I've see a L-RR in TDL ever, and I've played a lot of hands at this point! Of course it may be more common at smaller stakes, but I doubt its significant.

Good video serie btw, I am enjoying it!

Thanks!

is 22236 a hand you would consider snowing from UTG if called by only the c/o?
And if yes, would you also be snowing 22237 in that spot or play it for value?

I'd play both for value. Given how many 2's you've got, you're going to make much stronger hands than your opponents. I would rather snow with something like 77788, because our drawing potential is much worse but our ability to block our opponents from making hands is very good.

Thx a lot you guys.
I just started playing TD 2-7. Went very deep in my first tourney (SCOOP M).
Just earlier today I had T2222 in the Small ag. a buttonraise. Reraise, drew one, he took 2. I bet and patted. He drew two and folded... Love this game