Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by tubasteve (Mid Stakes)

I have waited for this all week. Great series guys.

^^ +1, I love this series

At 21:10

would it not "make sense dawg" to try and collect the dead money (aka turning our hand into a bluff) by c/r'ing the QQT two-tone board with our 99?

I mean a lot of the nominally worse hands have decent equity vs our hand due to the counterfeit potential of the board. For example I would be pretty happy if I could get my opponenent to fold his 40-ish % equity share if he holds something like AJo.

I generally c/f paired boards when I have an underpair but strongly feel that IF I continue I should do so aggressively especially OOP.

Thoughts?

awesome series!

I believe the 88hand on A44 he wasn't making a note for himself, but giving reasoning on his play to you guys... nice series. baluga sounds lot younger this episode (only 42) than earlier ones

I believe the 88hand on A44 he wasn't making a note for himself, but giving reasoning on his play to you guys... nice series. baluga sounds lot younger this episode (only 42) than earlier ones

ahhhh that would make sense. hard to pick up on stuff like that in the heat of the moment.

also wtf baluga doesnt sound 42?

The sound at the beginning of the video is freezing a bit. In the KQs hand are we calling the shove if we have AQ? When we just call the flop bet aren't we just asking to get shoved on given how aggressive this villain is or we would take the same line with a set given his stats?

The sound is so fucked up in this one.

wtf at the audio

The audio is messed up

I want to hear Mr. Baby Baluga in his full sea canary splendor

Andrew, Steve,

Once again another great video. Thanks.

There is one concept however that's been bugging me for a while now, yet it hasen't been discussed in any of the coaching tree episodes. Please, do correct me if im wrong, though.

I feel like a perfect situation comes up in this episode to illustrate this concept. When you explain why you prefer a cbet with QQ on the K76r flop, which I also prefer, you don't even mention that buy betting now we protect ourselves from possibly making a huge mistake on a later street.

Say we know this opponent will bluff with his air 100% and fold when we cbet. So by cbetteing we make a huge mistake every time he has air. Obviously we don't have that info now so we can safely bet knowing that usually this percentage will be nowhere near 100% and that mistake will be very small. This is something you do cover in the video.

What you don't mention, and what I feel is at least equally as important, is that when he decides to turn his 22 or 89 into a bluff and say we call down one street and fold turn we make an even bigger mistake (now we lose money in stead of winning, where as in the example above we win less money than we could have won). The idea of people trying to bluff us off our hand when we check that flop isn't even that farfetched!

So whats your view on this?

thanks in advance

also wtf baluga doesnt sound 42?

Jonah Hill imo

Anyway, this has been pretty much my favorite series on poker ever. Nice job.

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if we think hes turning his 22 or 89 into a bluff on later streets, why are we c/f?

s clause-
if we think hes turning his 22 or 89 into a bluff on later streets, why are we c/f?

Well because we cannot be sure. And for one air is only a x% part of his range and two the likelyhood of him turning air into a bluff is not 100%. So we will have to weigh those and make a descision. What I'm saying is tat by cbetting we partially pay to not have to make that descision.

Obviously if we have a read that the opponent is capable of bluffing for two streets in that spot and the dynamic is such that allows him to do so then we can safely call knowing that x% of him turning air into a bluff is much higher.

So kinda to recap: Now we think he might turn air into a bluff. If we pay we won't have to face that problem. In latter case we know he will bluff his air and don't need to avoid that situation since it will be much more +EV. Simplified.

Oh dear. I hope I make sense.

The KQ hand vs the Laggy player is such a gross spot. But doesnt a lag check raise a dryflop with a wide range. And is it possible he feels that after you call a massive check raise and he is bad isnt a fish shoving there alot because he doesnt know what to do. I think I fold too but it seems like he was bluffing that hand. but what could he really have though. he has to either have a set or air IMO. he 3 bets AK so I dont think thats in his range. But isnt he only repping a set?

And doesnt his bet size seem more bluffy than for value.

The 77 hand where HERO 3 bets on the button: The villan in the SB is a notorious squeezer (something like 13%). You can kind of see HERO's thought process through the movement of his mouse cursor. He seemed to want to flat to bring the fish along in a big pot IP, but then he drifted towards the SB and noticed who it was. He will squeezing here a ton so I prefer 3 betting rather than flatting.

Sorry for the double post, a couple of more points:

In the spot with 55 where HERO checks his set, both producers mention that he should be betting and start throwing around ranges. Villan will not be calling an UTG raise with the majority of the holding mentioned. The flop is one where you would check if you had AK or something like that since most villans will peel one. By check raising, you are protecting your overcard hands. Most TAGS will auto-bet this when the PFR checks and you get a bet when they would normally fold. Sthief mentioned this in a few videos in "King for a Day" and I have found that there is more value by checking especially in a multi-way pot.

Also, the check raise with 99 on QQT. I'm kind of indifferent to either check raising or check calling (folding is the only option I don't like). By check raising, you are trying to get him to fold A high, K high, J high. Those hands have good equity versus HERO's hand, so why let them get there?

Finally, the 3 bet pot with QQ on K high flop. The flop check was whatever though I do agree that betting is better (just sucks when you get shoved on). I think the turn is a standard bet. Most villans arent' checking behind a K in that spot. The reason to bet was mentioned; he is probably looking to check down A high. Why check and let him check behind and get there for free? By betting that turn, you are protecting your hand in a nice sized pot. There is also value since he will probably peel a turn bet with JJ, TT, etc. Could you elaborate a little more on why you prefer checking that turn?

The 77 hand where HERO 3 bets on the button: The villan in the SB is a notorious squeezer (something like 13%). You can kind of see HERO's thought process through the movement of his mouse cursor. He seemed to want to flat to bring the fish along in a big pot IP, but then he drifted towards the SB and noticed who it was. He will squeezing here a ton so I prefer 3 betting rather than flatting.

if you know he is squeezing a lot, why not let him squeeze then come back over the top?

good god is the audio choppy on this for streaming video

77 hand. My default line in this spot is to flat call; this is compounded by the fact that the BB is a monster fish. And yes, the SB (polyballer) squeezes here with the majority of his range and that is why I 3 bet w 77. Even knowing that, would you prefer to cold-call here? Maybe cold calling and shoving over a squeeze would be the best option, but I would probably chicken out and fold though. I do have to agree with you guys that I should have shoved over the flop donk bet; I was thinking about it, but I didn't think he was looking to bet/fold with that much money in the pot.

The QQ hand. I always have trouble in this spot when there is one over to my pair. If I bet the flop and get shoved on, it is so hard to fold. In this case, there was a flush draw, so if I bet here I think I have to call off and I wasn't comfortable doing that. I bet the turn because I felt he was checking behind made hands and Ace high. PP that I have beat will still call a turn bet so there is value, but I'm also not letting him check behind to peel an Ace.

The 55 hand. Most TAGS bet in this spot when last to act because it look likes I am giving up. If he has something like KQs, I get a bet out of him when he would normally fold to my CB. Also, my check raise line looks like complete BS. It makes him more likely to stack off with a marginal holding. I do agree with you that the default is to CB.

The part where I make a note that villan never has an Ace was for you guys. He steals 55% from the SB; he is never limping an Ace. When I called it was to shove a blank turn.

I understand what you are trying to say about stats and that people overuse them a lot.

But. At these stakes. Where player base is huge. Virtually no history or metagame goes on. Where most players play the same cards the same robotic way no matter what. And the only adjustment / deviation they make is the degree of tilt. Ignoring 1st level stats is pretty bad. In this particular KQ on K25r board, stats are a huge make or break. A 14/10, a 24/20, and 45/35 will all have very different ranges on this board. And you had a sample size to back it up. I am a little disappointed to see how far you went to prove a point.

if you know he is squeezing a lot, why not let him squeeze then come back over the top?

If you want to get it in preflop flipping... Calling and raising a squeeze with hands like AK/AA/KK is so great because you get zero credit for a hand. When you have 77 that's not great.

If you want to get it in preflop flipping... Calling and raising a squeeze with hands like AK/AA/KK is so great because you get zero credit for a hand. When you have 77 that's not great.

using "the dude", we can see that shoving would be +EV if he stacks off with TT+/AQ as long as he folds about 48% of the time or more. i don't think that is much to ask if there is a good chance he is squeezing. considering that is 4.7% of hands, he only needs to be raising 9% of hands for shoving to be profitable.

here's the link in case you don't know what i'm talking about:
http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/26-Tool_Time/535-Sugar_Nut_1_The_Dude

there´s anything wrong with baluga´s voice?

just wondering but will the audio be choppy if i dl? love this series so much, definitely worth the price of the 6 month sub by itself

Baluga to get rid of your "Do you see what I'm saying" or whatever thing you keep saying everytime and its tilting as hell. Just stop verbally checking in after you explain a concept to tubasteve. If tuba's got something to add or an additional question I'm sure he'll ask it. I doubt if something is gnawing at his mind this question your asking is getting him to ask more and more questions. Hell most of the time it seems like tuba just says yes (as a default response because he's so used to you saying it all the time).

Should work better than just replacing it with another way to say the same thing. Cause whatever saying your going to replace it with. Just give me three videos and ill hate you all over again.

Awesome series, but as a compensation for Baluga's bad sound quality in this episode you guys should make a 9th episode I don't want this series to end next week...

I don't want this series to end next week...

Holy crap this season went by fast

At 21:10

would it not "make sense dawg" to try and collect the dead money (aka turning our hand into a bluff) by c/r'ing the QQT two-tone board with our 99?

I mean a lot of the nominally worse hands have decent equity vs our hand due to the counterfeit potential of the board. For example I would be pretty happy if I could get my opponenent to fold his 40-ish % equity share if he holds something like AJo.

I generally c/f paired boards when I have an underpair but strongly feel that IF I continue I should do so aggressively especially OOP.

Thoughts?

Did this slip by?

Make it 10 episodes. I am fine with the "Does it make sense?", it gives me time to think. No need to change.

sugarnut-

i mean, its not a bad idea to c/r the flop into an aggro guy whos c-betting 100% of the time, but i think id rather do it with a hand with less value than 99 (and possibly more equity, although thats tough on a QQT board).

audio keeps going really choppy, i cant understand baluga sometimes

nooooooo, i love this series, please dont end it

No, they can end this series next week....


AS LONG AS you start up The Coaching Tree Season 2 the following week

Seriously though, guys, please make this a normal thing around here. DC management always is on point with bringing back successful seasons for a second go around, and nothing should change here.

Awesome series, this is why I wait all week for Tuesday, because I know I have one of these gems waiting for me when I log on. Nice work & keep it up.


Roy

not even bearable to watch because of the audio

Baluga is my favorite coach on DC, please make his videos a regular thing here!

No, they can end this series next week....


AS LONG AS you start up The Coaching Tree Season 2 the following week

+1

The coaching tree definitely needs a season two, or Baluga and Steve need to be doing weekly ghosts.

Just like to say i love this series dont bring a 2nd series like this theres better ways for yous to work do a FWF style HH 1 wit you quizzing n telling tuba. It would be just ,just, just, just epic imho!

In the QQ hand on the K high board Bleed4you did actually bet turn AND river. (66 in 110 pot)

I just wanted to point out that "He's never limping an ace" was something mksteel wrote in Notepad, and seemed more like a note to the person watching the video, i.e. him explaining his thought process, more than an actual note he was taking on the player (since he would've done that in the HEM HUD).

However, it did lead to some good thoughts on note taking in general, which was definitely welcome.

I'm already seeing everyone overuse the phrase "take down dead money" to justify everything!

Hi guys, would like to say that this is amazing series. keep up the good work. I have a question about 77 hand. In that hand hero did 3-bet with 77 in position. You guys thought its a bad decision. My question is what should you do once you don't have a position? Say we are in SB instead of D.

The QK hand right off the bat, if the player is check raising with only a range of
AA, 22, 55, QK, and A3 (A3 for over + gutshot as his "air" range)

Then we are exactly 50/50 on the turn, getting almost 2:1 to call a shove. How is this a good fold, unless we had a read he would never overbet shove?

If you add any other air into his range its obviously better for us.

Thanks

This video is unwatchable because the audio makes it impossible to hear the information that is being shared. I have so much respect for this website and the coaches here and what everyone has done to make deuces what it is today. The quality of the videos have been extremely high and the thought put into the productions blow every other poker training site away. So I am really wondering what you guys were thinking when you uploaded this? Don't you think things go wrong on movie sets all the time and they have to do another take and get it right? And that's a movie. This is just a poker training video and you guys couldn't even chalk it up as a loss for some reason and redo it? It's a bit frustrating to me that simply because a video was made that it had to be uploaded. Yet at the same time as poker players we're constantly faced with that exact same decision. To constantly repair our poker game or go broke. And that's what would happen to deuces as well if every video here was at the low standard that this one is at. I know that it isn't either of your faults that this video ended up being as choppy as it is. It's unfortunate that that happened. But someone HAD to have watched this at least once to make sure it was acceptable to upload. And that's where I have a problem that you could even possibly think this was acceptable to release here. The only reason I even bothered writing any of that is because I love this website and the coaches here. Especially Steve and Baluga. You two guys have really stood out in many videos on deuces and are amazing teachers. But stuff like this is only gonna ruin the reputation of deuces having high quality standards. Pretty much every video in this series has had some audio or video trouble along the way. So I'm not expecting your videos to be flawless at all. But when it's almost the entire video of not being able to understand what is being said because Robocops battery is malfunctioning, it makes it difficult in a way to even trust the information you guys are trying to give us if you can't realize how this video is unwatchable. We are relying on you guys to teach us how to make good decisions in poker. Decisions that are far more complex than simply a 1 hour retake. So I hope in the future you guys will redo the video if something unfortunately goes this badly again where the information is corrupted due to a technical error. We can get as much out of this video as a book that has most of its pages scribbled out of it. Even if the pages that aren't scribbled out have the most important information. The important thing is to understand the information as a whole. Not as random bits and pieces.

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Time Link to 00:18:18

How can we find out whether they'll never c/r such a board as a bluff? Or based on what reads can we make a fold at a flop like this?

Time Link to 00:22:34

I am not saying that C/C flop is here bad, but you should at least consider that

1.) this board is hitting a passive defendingrange pretty well -> hiscbetrange should be stronger here.
2.) When you C/Call here, you are almost never strong -> he will be able to barell you off so easyily on so many cards here.

-> imo here a C/F is slighlty maybe even better vs. a tough good reg than C/Call.