Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by tubasteve (Micro/Small Stakes)

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I have played action_jp. I always WHACK him......

Yes yes Alex, you've owned me at 2 HU matches (1 SnG 1 cash).

Awesome video guys, thanks for this .

Just a few comments: FYI I'm about a 2.5ptBB/100 winner at 400NL over 45k hands even though I've run about 15BIs below EV at that level (EV 4ptBB/100 winner over same sample).

Anyways, just a general theory that I had about my frequent flop checks - this was something I was experimenting with at the time, and the idea was to try checking on some boards to delay-cbet rather than cbet the flop, which I found to be equally effective.

By delay-cbetting in some spots I can rep hands that have marginal SD value - so let's say if I had 56 on the 257hhh flop I'd probably check that behind sometimes and bet sometimes. The idea was that if I check IP, the villain is more or less going to be playing the turn a lot more straightforward than they would the flop - because - well in my experience unsophisticated players don't mess about on the turn too much.

I do mix it up better these days depending on the villain in question and the situations these days imo.

I don't think that by checking behind my FE decreases on the turn against his marginal hands. Also when I'm IP, and don't have an obvious equity advantage against his range, it doesn't matter imo whether I see another card or not, and I get to keep it a small pot.

I should also follow this up with a disclaimer that this was made at the height of my non-cbetting experimentation and it's not quite as extreme these days .

super great analysis!
you guys rock

Another question about 3betting the AJo from SB vs StudentOfGab's BU raise - I've stopped doing this as much these days, but I think one of the reasons that I used to flat a lot from the blinds was that I felt like my edge was greater postflop than preflop.

So the idea was that flatting hands from the SB would cause the villains to make bigger mistakes postflop than they would preflop. Of course there's the fact that preflop mistakes compound postflop mistakes but I felt like it would help me to play smaller pots with higher stack to pot ratios.

Am I losing too much equity preflop by doing this in your opinion?

I've stopped doing it for other reasons though.

Edit:
That AJ flop check is really bad lol

If I was to defend (or get into the mindset of) PastJP I'd say that it's to balance my delayed cbets and because I would think that it'd hard to get 3 streets of value anyways.

I agree that it's bad though.

So the idea was that flatting hands from the SB would cause the villains to make bigger mistakes postflop than they would preflop. Of course there's the fact that preflop mistakes compound postflop mistakes but I felt like it would help me to play smaller pots with higher stack to pot ratios.

The thing is, that people IP are a way less likely to make mistakes imho. And AJ, while way ahead of his opening range, still remains a hand that you are never comfortable calling 3 streets with.

In general I hate playing hands like AJ OOP if I'm not comfortable c/r TP flops with the intention of not folding my hand. And AJ will get you in very high variance spots here.

In general I hate playing hands like AJ OOP if I'm not comfortable c/r TP flops with the intention of not folding my hand. And AJ will get you in very high variance spots here.

c/r the flop with TP is almost never the best line if you flat AJ from the blinds unless you have a hyper-aggro opponent who will ship it in light or something.

c/r the flop with TP is almost never the best line if you flat AJ from the blinds unless you have a hyper-aggro opponent who will ship it in light or something.

Thats why I usually 3bet preflop, or, as weak as it may sound, fold.

But against an good, aggressive opponent you often times are going to play a guessing game by c/c the flop, c/c the turn, pretty much praying he is not going to fire a 3rd barrel, epecially if some backdoor draws got there.

Btw. while in a vacuum c/r the flop AJ with toppair might be the wrong play, I think that once you created an image that you are bluff c/r or semibluff c/r flops, you actually can value c/r here alot lighter than usual.

heres a thought guys:

if you cant c/r the flop for value with a strong top pair, you should be c/r the flop as a bluff a whole lot more often.

heres a thought guys:

if you cant c/r the flop for value with a strong top pair, you should be c/r the flop as a bluff a whole lot more often.

Can I see if I'm getting the hint here? Basically are you saying if villains are cbetting any reasonable amount (or too much?), but only calling with hands > TP, i.e. a really narrow range, they're folding a ton of the time and c/r bluffing becomes really profitable?

Can I see if I'm getting the hint here? Basically are you saying if villains are cbetting any reasonable amount (or too much?), but only calling with hands > TP, i.e. a really narrow range, they're folding a ton of the time and c/r bluffing becomes really profitable?

wooooooooooooooooooo

gotta remember our image though, if you just c/r bluff everyone every 3rd hand they will open up their ranges and start calling you down lighter. then you start doing it with TPTK.

heres a thought guys:

if you cant c/r the flop for value with a strong top pair, you should be c/r the flop as a bluff a whole lot more often.

this has improved my winrate a ton over the past few months.

I know I always abuse JP, but we spend most nights discussing poker. I think he is a very solid player, and has really helped me with my development. Really looking forward to watching this video.

Excellent video, I really++ like this serie so far

Reducing cbetting as a way of combating floating is one thing, but I have reduced my cbetting % a lot where I play as the typical loose passive finds it very easy to peel. Especially if they notice im playing 30/25 or something (so much dead money limping to isolate). Say when the flop comes J78r i give up in spots like these frequently especially OOP.

From my small amount of experience at higher level FTP games dealing with floaters is a huge pain and you have to: Balance the right of the guy in position to semi bluff you and fold while still 2 barreling/cr'ing some turns etc so you cant be handing away money with a high cbet%.

I've also tried some creative things like c/cing the turn w ak high on some board textures OOP. And also lines like cbet flop c/c turn crai river where villian is repping a narrow river range; but that usually doesn't end well

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
TILT MAKE TILT SENSE?
DOES MAKE TILT SENSE?
TILT TILT MAKE TILT??
DOES TILT TILT TILT??
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otherwise nice vid.

man i love that table graphic, any chance it can be uploaded?

great vid guys

i dont understand this checking behind with showdown value much though. if we check behind with Ad8s on 247sss, or JJ on KQ3ss, then isnt our opponent gonna stab all his air/made hands on the turn and we have to fold where as if we bet we could get him to fold his air?
i know vs a very passive player, that your possitive isnt going to bluff, then checking down is good. but its never really that clear what most of my opponents are going to do, for me anyway, there just never really that straight forward.

From what I understand, the idea is that we don't want him to fold his air AND that we want him to bluff with his worse hands sometimes.

Also checking back IP is usually used in cases where we have SD value, but can't stand a c/r. So if we open A8 and flop Q83 rainbow we might check that behind because we don't expect to be called by worse, and we're often in a way ahead/way behind situation. But we might get bluffed by worse hands c/ring, so we don't want to re-open the betting.

We still might want to bet in situations like that for balancing/deception reasons though.

Of course all this is dependent on your opponents and their tendencies. If someone is prone to c/r you with air, you can cbet MP for value and to induce a bluff and call it off etc.

DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE?
TILT MAKE TILT SENSE?
DOES MAKE TILT SENSE?
TILT TILT MAKE TILT??
DOES TILT TILT TILT??
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my above post? It lacks sentence structure as I was 6 tabling at the same time

my above post? It lacks sentence structure as I was 6 tabling at the same time

I think he was just being a very weird dude...

haha nah hes just mocking me cause i use the expression "does that make sense" all the time

seriously ask any of my students, i say that way too much haha

haha nah hes just mocking me cause i use the expression "does that make sense" all the time

seriously ask any of my students, i say that way too much haha

how else are you supposed to know if it makes sense?

Wow, first time I've watched The Coaching Tree. This was extremely informative guys!
Gotta watch the other episodes asap..

Great vid again guys. One question I have is based on what action_jp said about delayed cbetting - is delayed cbetting pretty much fps at the lower limits?

just dropped by to say this series is awesome. i dont even play holdem, only plo, but this contains so much valueable information in regards to how to think about all kinds of situations, i will definatly watch it again. Does that make any sense?

Balugawhale makes a lot of sense imo.

If he tilts you, poker might not be for you.

Sugar Nut

Great vid again guys. One question I have is based on what action_jp said about delayed cbetting - is delayed cbetting pretty much fps at the lower limits?

I beleive baulga said if they are calling your normal cbets >>50% of the time, then cbetting alot would be a bad idea and there are a few things you can do about it. Delayed cbetting seems to work vs opponents who peel very light on the flop with overs/gutshots, yet /check fold turns when you bet large. But then, double barreling works some amount vs them too and you win a larger pot when doing so! But don't listen to me I'm not the whale

I hope action_jp learns a lot, as then I might be able to get recycled Baluga coaching for cheap. $20 a month for this gold is a steal but we need MOAR!

Wow, you've come a long way Baluga. ha, 25NL-1/2!

Video would be a lot better if audio levels were equal for BW and TS.

In the video Tuba you said that 200 NL online is the first level where the games get tougher. I am at 25 NL right now. I have been stuck there because I have had to cash out too much becaue of school, broken down cars, etc...... I am new to Deuces cracked and just to let you know my results since then are pretty ridiculous.I have been making anywhere from 15-25 max buy ins per week. What are the differences at 50&100 NL.

The two biggest adjustments DC has helped is knowing when to c-bet(I used to cbet almost 100% of my range) and bet sizing to manipulate pots to play for stacks. At what levels do you need to play less exploitable for balance and deception because players are better and will take advantage.

how else are you supposed to know if it makes sense?

Baluga just throw in a few "you feel me dawg's" in there to balance.
Great video, Great series.

hey, good series. couple questions/thoughts.

1) curious about the discussion, early on, about being more inclined to cbet the Q95 two toned board (or whatever it was) versus like a Q72r, since our A8ish type hands have less showdown value on the first board b/c of all the draws.

This seems contrary to most advice I hear, which is to generally cbet more on dry boards, and check more often on coordinated boards. Do u disagree w/ this general advice, at least in situations like here, where we have a semi showdownable hand?


2) In one of ur earlier vids, I think u advocated folding a hand like A8o otb against tight players, and being more inclined to play hands like 63s. I had a coaching session a few weeks ago, and the coach thought this was bad b/c A8o is simply way too strong to not steal w/ otb. He basically said it will generally be profitable to almost always steal with any offsuit aces otb. Do u guys know of any large empirical samples (of stealing w/ junk aces otb against tight players) that might help clarify which strategy is best?

hey, good series. couple questions/thoughts.

1) curious about the discussion, early on, about being more inclined to cbet the Q95 two toned board (or whatever it was) versus like a Q72r, since our A8ish type hands have less showdown value on the first board b/c of all the draws.

This seems contrary to most advice I hear, which is to generally cbet more on dry boards, and check more often on coordinated boards. Do u disagree w/ this general advice, at least in situations like here, where we have a semi showdownable hand?

I found this interesting also, since another series of this very same season (prof plotkin) mathematically proves that ppls ranges hit 2-tone boards way harder than monotone or rainbow boards. Would I be able to see my opponents cards I could obviously bet my A-high for value as long as i know my opponent has a draw (which is not an equity favourite vs my hand), but ppl tend to c/r a lot of draws and I really can't stand any action on these boards with naked A-hi which I just tend to get more often than on rainbow or monotone.

2) In one of ur earlier vids, I think u advocated folding a hand like A8o otb against tight players, and being more inclined to play hands like 63s. I had a coaching session a few weeks ago, and the coach thought this was bad b/c A8o is simply way too strong to not steal w/ otb. He basically said it will generally be profitable to almost always steal with any offsuit aces otb. Do u guys know of any large empirical samples (of stealing w/ junk aces otb against tight players) that might help clarify which strategy is best?

I think that this has more to do with reverse implied odds vs tight players who will have you dominated more often than not and the lack of "cooler potential" in your hand, whereas 63s is able to cooler tight ranges way better.

Vs loose players you can get 2-3 streets in with TP more often and be actually good. Not so vs tight palyers.

hey dwight, good questions, let me clarify quickly
1) you can c-bet either, im just talking about when to check it back for showdown value because a) its hard to get called by worse and b) its unlikely you'll be outdrawn. If you check back a Q95 2tone board, thats totally fine, but its usually not cause youre gonna call a bet on the turn or think you're going to get to showdown.

2) wrt to opening A8o vs 63s, im not saying either is good or bad to open, im just trying to get you thinking about which types of hands are better vs which types of opponents.

and jlee-
the reason is only partially because A8 is harder to vbet against good players. its more like, good players get to showdown less, so theoretical showdown percentages have less impact.

hey dwight, good questions, let me clarify quickly
1) you can c-bet either, im just talking about when to check it back for showdown value because a) its hard to get called by worse and b) its unlikely you'll be outdrawn. If you check back a Q95 2tone board, thats totally fine, but its usually not cause youre gonna call a bet on the turn or think you're going to get to showdown.

2) wrt to opening A8o vs 63s, im not saying either is good or bad to open, im just trying to get you thinking about which types of hands are better vs which types of opponents.

and jlee-
the reason is only partially because A8 is harder to vbet against good players. its more like, good players get to showdown less, so theoretical showdown percentages have less impact.

alright, fair enough. thanks for the responses. keep up the good work w/ the vids.

I have played action_jp. I always WHACK him......

Have you moved from 50NL up to 200NL already?

Thanks

baluga you are the nuts!!

It make sense

Time Link to 00:26:13

To the AT-hand:

C/Shove flop is of course the option number 1.

But, as played,

imo is C/Call flop - C/Shove the turnblank >>>>> then C/Call turn + any river.

reason: even a fish will instinctivley not continue bluffing with a high freq. the river b/c of the low SPR on the river -> There is no/less need to let him freedraw maybe regards to any spades -> so I would prefer just C/Shoving the turn.

00:21:25
About AT hand:
We were the PFR in this hand, the person on the btn LIMPED, so I don't understand why we didn't make a cbet with TPGK against a passive player

00:21:25
About AT hand:
We were the PFR in this hand, the person on the btn LIMPED, so I don't understand why we didn't make a cbet with TPGK against a passive player

we definitely should have.

Andrew