Poker Video: Limit Hold'Em by Entity (Mid Stakes)

Aaargh I can only watch the first 10 minutes or so then it goes back to zero. Tried to download andit gets stuck after 2%. Anyone else having trouble or ís it my computer/connection?

The problem seems to be on my computer. Can't download anything anywhere. Hmmmmmm

Sweet, really looking forward to this series! Will watch it asap.

16 minutes, you talk about balancing your range when you 3bet 984 flop with 97 that you also need to 3bet q10/j10, but a8, really? What about hands like 67/107? Also im not really sure that this is the kind of board we have alot of fold equity on?

Hi Psychobingo, I can respond to at least part of this. On a 984 flop 97 is basically the same hand as A8. That is, they both win and lose against the same hands in villain's range because we don't expect villain to often have a 9 with a worse kicker (than the 7). In fact, only 96, 95, 93, and 92 lose to 97 but beat A8. I think you'll agree BB isn't likely to have a lot of those combos in his defending range.

As for whether or not you should also be hands like T7 and 76, I'll leave that to Rob. But do not that QT and JT have a lot more outs to beat villain than T7 and 76 if BB has 9x or 8x.

Yeah A8 and 97 are about the same hand, how did i miss that And i also know that q10/j10 have enough equity to be 3betting, especially when in position, but is this the kind of board that people stab at/we have fold equity on? Would you change play if we were out of position with q10/j10?

Hahaha I finally watched it. Took me 3 hours to download ! In a desperate attempt I downloaded mozilla. It turns out that you are able to 'pause' and 'play' downloads in Mozilla. So I kept clicking and downloaded the entire video, almost by 'hand'. Dragging it piece by piece.

Rob, u remind me of a lecturer I had in philosophy. No matter what you asked he was always capable of giving an interesting speach on the topic. It's the same with you. No matter what the hand is, you are always able to say something interesting. I guess that's the kind of skill that comes from spending endless hours and tons of dedication studying a subject.



Hero raise 33 from the CO and SB 3-bets, BB calls.

Flop 458

SB leads, BB calls, Hero ...

Here you discuss raising, but decide to call.

1) Do I understand corretly that if u raise, SB 3-bets and BB folds you are intending to fold? It sounds dangerous to me. I don't have the confidence to make a play like that. I'm having nightmares of oink saying "don't bloat and fold sushi!"

2) How about calling and raising a safe turn? The benefits would be we get to see the turn card before we commit. Also we get to see if BB calls another bet. And it would be harder for villains to 3-bet.

Rob, u remind me of a lecturer I had in philosophy. No matter what you asked he was always capable of giving an interesting speach on the topic. It's the same with you. No matter what the hand is, you are always able to say something interesting. I guess that's the kind of skill that comes from spending endless hours and tons of dedication studying a subject.

Thanks. I don't really think I have the gift of gab, but I can definitely ramble when I need to. Fortunately for me it's easy to talk about poker.

Hero raise 33 from the CO and SB 3-bets, BB calls.

Flop 458

SB leads, BB calls, Hero ...

Here you discuss raising, but decide to call.

1) Do I understand corretly that if u raise, SB 3-bets and BB folds you are intending to fold? It sounds dangerous to me. I don't have the confidence to make a play like that. I'm having nightmares of oink saying "don't bloat and fold sushi!"

If I raised and SB 3-bet and BB folded, I'd call and fold the turn if it wasn't a 2, 3, 6, or Ace and he led again. Given this board texture I felt like I might have a slim amount of value 3-ways here but it's a pretty close spot, but the main thing is here when I think that BB doesn't have a pair, then SB is going to be calling me down incorrectly a lot in this spot and generally 3-betting his strong hands. I don't expect someone to be 3-betting AK or KQ here very often on the flop, so I feel pretty comfortable raising to extract value. If I had 66 I'd definitely raise here, not only because of the added gutshot but now because I beat some of hte smaller pairs that BB has.

2) How about calling and raising a safe turn? The benefits would be we get to see the turn card before we commit. Also we get to see if BB calls another bet. And it would be harder for villains to 3-bet.

I don't think you have enough value to raise the turn here and I think that it's really easy for any good player to 3-bet pretty much any overpair here, since it's hard for me to have a strong hand when I call flop and raise turn on this board texture 3-ways (HU is a different story). Either way, I think his handrange is much stronger whne he leads the turn after being called in 2 spots on the flop than I do when he 3-bets preflop and continuation bets the flop.

Rob

16 minutes, you talk about balancing your range when you 3bet 984 flop with 97 that you also need to 3bet q10/j10, but a8, really? What about hands like 67/107? Also im not really sure that this is the kind of board we have alot of fold equity on?

Given that you have plenty of value with QT and JT as they do well against both your opponent's pairs and your opponent's draws, you can 3-bet them in order to keep yourself from "only having pairs" in your range. By selecting your hands well, you can usually manage to keep the appearance of someone 3-betting the flop with a wide enough range that you're guaranteed to put someone in a difficult spot, either calling down or bloating and folding too much, but you can do so when your entire range has great equity against his checkraising range. As such I'd call (usually calling down/folding straightening cards) with hands like 86, A4, and draws like 76s as well as some overcard-type hands where my equity isn't quite as high against their entire range.

Rob

Another 5 star video guys, great job.

7:00 Left hand table
Hero has Kd 8d OTB and open raises, SB three bets, BB folds and hero calls.

Flop is Ac 5d 4s
Villain checks and hero checks.

If villain had bet this flop, is it ok to peel. Hero would be getting 8 to 1, he might have the best hand, his two cards are higher than the middle flop card, he has a back door flush and straight draw. It's also not good to give up on the flop when it has been three bet pre flop.

Would raising the flop to represent the ace if villain had bet be spewing?

It turned out that hero hit a flush on the river when the ace of diamonds fell and raised. If the river had been the ace of hearts or ace of spades, do you guys think a bluff raise could be profitable here? Villain is never going to fold an ace, but the fact that there is now two aces on the board would suggest he is less likely to hold one.

xrosswind, when I see the 3-bet PF / check flop line it's usually either something like 99 that for some reason decides to not cbet (incorrectly convincing themselves that Hero always has an ace here I guess), or a big/medium Ax that either 1) thinks it's making some sort of clever slowplay, or 2) is doing some weird screwplay variant.

In other words, I think villain is never folding the flop and is sometimes raising. So I like Rob's check back (I know that's not what you asked about, but I'm just trying to set up how I think about the hand).

If villain had bet the flop I think I'd fold sometimes and call sometimes, but I'm not sure in what proportions. Stove says we have decent hot-cold equity to peel, even against a fairly tight PF 3-betting range, and against someone with a wider 3-betting range we do even better. But note that the latter category of player is also likely to put more pressure on us post-flop, so it may be harder to realize our equity. I don't know if I can give a less vague answer than that.

In any event, I would NOT be inclined to raise the flop here to represent an ace because I already said I think villain's range doesn't contain a lot of hands that want to fold and because I often wouldn't raise here with an ace.

I would also not make the river raise on A because I again feel villain has a lot of calling hands in his range. I don't really believe villain is folding a pocket pair here (and obviously not Ax).

Analyzing post hoc, I would say villain's river fold makes hands like KQ more likely. Maybe he chickened out on the flop cbet (very bad imo) and then basically turned his hand into a bluff (though he was actually vbetting the turn ). On the river he knows he can't beat anything but a stone cold bluff from Rob. In my mind this actually strengthens the arguments for not bluff raising the flop or river against this opponent as I assume his cbetting range is then stronger.

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Hi Guys,

I have been rewatching all of the Grinder series and must say I forgot how brilliant this series was. Rob you do a great job going through all the scenarios as usual and I think Pygmy is the perfect student and it is no surprise he has risen to the levels has.

No, I am not looking for a loan

Rob, you mentioned that you would call down KK or JJ in this scenario. Why is this different than 77? I suppose if the villian has a hand like JhTh you may have some blockers to his draw and also some nice implied odds those times you both improve on the river. Actually, I understand the KK call down, since the villian could have a Q. I am mostly wondering about calling down with the JJ but not 77 although I no you thought about it. I doubt the villian would be CR the turn here with 88-TT.

I think your fold is good on the turn. I rarely see players making a delayed semibluff. I think the Ace could easily be in villians range here. He may have a weak Ace that he is playing WA/WB but now that the turn brings another Ace he is feeling better that he has the best hand.

Thanks,

Hey, thanks for the kind words. It's my personal belief that Rob sees everything on the internet, so he'll probably swing by and answer this. If not I'll try to bring it to his attention in a few days.

I have been rewatching all of the Grinder series and must say I forgot how brilliant this series was. Rob you do a great job going through all the scenarios as usual and I think Pygmy is the perfect student and it is no surprise he has risen to the levels has.

+1

I've recently been getting into Limit and just finished watching the first and second series.

Not only is the analysis from Entity and PygmyHero fascinating, but the way you two guys work together adds a huge amount to the series imo. Can't think of a single spot where ego, either on Rob's or Mike's part, gets in the way of the teaching/learning. 100% pure content. Excellent stuff.

Really looking forward to watching series 3 and, of course, re-watching 1 & 2.

Hi Guys,

I have been rewatching all of the Grinder series and must say I forgot how brilliant this series was. Rob you do a great job going through all the scenarios as usual and I think Pygmy is the perfect student and it is no surprise he has risen to the levels has.

No, I am not looking for a loan

Rob, you mentioned that you would call down KK or JJ in this scenario. Why is this different than 77? I suppose if the villian has a hand like JhTh you may have some blockers to his draw and also some nice implied odds those times you both improve on the river. Actually, I understand the KK call down, since the villian could have a Q. I am mostly wondering about calling down with the JJ but not 77 although I no you thought about it. I doubt the villian would be CR the turn here with 88-TT.

I think your fold is good on the turn. I rarely see players making a delayed semibluff. I think the Ace could easily be in villians range here. He may have a weak Ace that he is playing WA/WB but now that the turn brings another Ace he is feeling better that he has the best hand.

Thanks,

A big part of it is that I think generally speaking, there will be a lot more river cards that are bad for you if villain is semibluffing with a broadway gutshot+flush draw or something like T9, so if you're calling down with JJ (maybe folding to rivers) you'll be in a much better spot on a large portion of the deck. In addition, given that villain will have a lot of very strong hands in his range here, you avoid calling down too often -- 77 is near the bottom of your range but given the fact that you have 77, 88, 99, TT, JJ, KK, you can see that both JJ and KK are nearer to the top (they're still in the middle of your range overall). Looking at it again I don't think that folding with JJ could be that bad, but the biggest thing is that as your opponent increases his bluffing frequencies you need to make sure that you're calling down with a decent frequency of hands, and JJ definitely would fall into that category.

Rob