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Running the Streets: Episode Nine

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Running the Streets: Episode Nine by shuttle, olliepa

Shuttle and Olliepa recap what they've been up to over the past few months then get right into some HH reviews with a focus on Overbetting and Underbetting.

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Have you ever found yourself in a spot where you know your opponent's range, but you still don't know the best play? If so, then this series is for you! We will show you how to determine the optimal lines in tough situations AFTER you have already assigned your opponent's range.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Mid Stakes
  • 57 minutes long
  • Posted about 1 year ago

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Comments for Running the Streets: Episode Nine

apv2009

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Time Link to 00:32:17

The graph of calling should go up a bit on the massive overbet, because people will became suspicious and call more.

Posted over 1 year ago

apv2009

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NutCracker

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Time Link to 00:53:27

You can argue that his bet size here is begging for a call (as per your previous hand) and is thus just adding 1BB to his own ongoing win rate. Also his bet size allows him to call a RR (which you oblige). I like the concepts in this video, but this example is poor. I agree with other comment - the play in this particluar spot is either fold or call.

Posted over 1 year ago

shuttle

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What about a call?


It's probably going to be +EV. I just think that the opponent in this hand is going to be folding almost all their range on the river here, including many of the hands that we beat. So my suspicion is that a small raise is a bit better. Again, this was just my read at the time, I could definitely be wrong here, I just felt as though a fish isn't going to be betting that amount with their nut hands on the river there.

Posted over 1 year ago

shuttle

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The graph of calling should go up a bit on the massive overbet, because people will became suspicious and call more.


Good point!

Posted over 1 year ago

Posiedon

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Good series.I am enjoying it.Here is a hand i played today where i underbet the river for value.Please let me know if this was right.

Villain is
29/25 over 227 hands.
73% cbet.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($50)
BB ($98.43)
UTG ($132)
UTG+1 ($35.05)
CO ($50.03)
Hero ($50)

Dealt to Hero AHeart QClub

UTG raises to $1.50, fold, fold, Hero calls $1.50, fold, fold

FLOP ($3.75) TSpade 2Diamond 5Club

UTG checks, Hero bets $2, UTG calls $2

TURN ($7.75) TSpade 2Diamond 5Club 8Club

UTG checks, Hero checks

RIVER ($7.75) TSpade 2Diamond 5Club 8Club AClub

UTG checks, Hero bets $3, UTG folds

Thanks in advance.

Posted 8 months ago

shuttle

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What range do you think UTG has?
Do you think this range is elastic to the betsizing?

If you want to get better you should put your opponent on a range that gets to the river then calculate the EV for various betsizes. So what range will your opponent call an underbet with? How often will they call vs different betsizes?

Posted 8 months ago

Posiedon

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i have a tough time putting people on a range when they dont cbet but c/c.Please help me with that.I guess i can give him a range of mostly mid pairs 66-99,A5,9Ts,JTs,QTs after he c/c flop but my default would be just bet them if i was in villains position.He can also be playing a slowplayed set.However when he checks the river after i check back turn i discounted sets from his range and A5 as anything that strong would just lead out.After he checked the river i felt his range was mostly 66-99,Tx and since this range is elastic i bet pretty small as my line reps an A well.Still looking at the pot odds he might decide to call putting bluffs i my range.

Posted 8 months ago

Posiedon

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Please let me know if the range i gave villain was correct...

Posted 8 months ago

Posiedon

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Again i use the underbet here.This time i was up against a fish who just wouldnt fold to a double barrel.

Villain is 57/21 over 80 hands.Af-1.2
64% f2fcb,21% f2tcb.
Bet ip vs missed cb:100%[10]

So if i checked turn then a bet was pretty likely from this guy.So rather than c/c i decided to set my own price since this guy had a low Af i knew he wouldnt raise the turn.What do you think of the turn bet here??

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $0.50(BB) Replayer
SB ($50.25)
BB ($34.41)
UTG ($28.81)
UTG+1 ($126)
Hero ($50)
BTN ($120)

Dealt to Hero KDiamond 8Diamond

fold, fold, Hero raises to $1.50, BTN calls $1.50, fold, fold

FLOP ($3.75) 9Diamond 5Club 4Diamond

Hero bets $1.87, BTN calls $1.87

TURN ($7.49) 9Diamond 5Club 4Diamond 2Club

Hero bets $3, BTN calls $3

RIVER ($13.49) 9Diamond 5Club 4Diamond 2Club 3Club

Hero checks, BTN bets $13.49, Hero folds

Thanks in advance.

Posted 8 months ago

shuttle

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i have a tough time putting people on a range when they dont cbet but c/c.Please help me with that.I guess i can give him a range of mostly mid pairs 66-99,A5,9Ts,JTs,QTs after he c/c flop but my default would be just bet them if i was in villains position.He can also be playing a slowplayed set.However when he checks the river after i check back turn i discounted sets from his range and A5 as anything that strong would just lead out.After he checked the river i felt his range was mostly 66-99,Tx and since this range is elastic i bet pretty small as my line reps an A well.Still looking at the pot odds he might decide to call putting bluffs i my range.


In this hand you want some position stats, or just some idea of if he is tighter from UTG than the other positions.
I agree we can discount sets here almost 100%, given he cbets a lot I expect him to cbet both sets and air here. When he check calls it's almost always hands with some showdownable value that aren't monsters. (As an exercise think about what you would c/c here if you were utg.)
After then turn checks through and he checks the river it's unlikely he has a rivered 2 pair type hand.

So he has a fairly weak range on the river. We beat his range here. So with AK we want to bet an amount that gets called by his range. How big do you think 99 calls here? Can you see how if we shove here we get called almost never?
What size would you bet with a bluff here on the river?

Posted 8 months ago

Posiedon

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In this hand you want some position stats, or just some idea of if he is tighter from UTG than the other positions.
I agree we can discount sets here almost 100%, given he cbets a lot I expect him to cbet both sets and air here. When he check calls it's almost always hands with some showdownable value that aren't monsters. (As an exercise think about what you would c/c here if you were utg.)
After then turn checks through and he checks the river it's unlikely he has a rivered 2 pair type hand.

So he has a fairly weak range on the river. We beat his range here. So with AK we want to bet an amount that gets called by his range. How big do you think 99 calls here? Can you see how if we shove here we get called almost never?
What size would you bet with a bluff here on the river?



When i dont cbet,i simply c/f.I just have a c/c range.I know this is exploitable so now i have started working on it.As for now i think i would c/c 88,99 and weak Tx hands.

How big do you think 99 calls here?


I think a bet of $2-$3.Not more than that.

What size would you bet with a bluff here on the river?


I think no part of his range will even call a bet >$5 so i would bet $5 as a bluff on the river.I think a bet size till $5 would still get called by Tx hands.

Posted 8 months ago

Befeltingu

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Time Link to 00:50:25

Hey really great vid and series.

I sort of disagree with the bet sizing on this QQ hand for a couple reasons.
You should have a very low percentage of bluffs in your range given that you checked back the flop and your calling range on the turn I would assume to consist of Ax hands and 88 <_ PP <_ QQ with a few combos of diamond draws but I would assume you would have bet most non Ax diamond hands on the flop so I think your range is just really weighted toward value hands no matter the bet size and I would therefore bet like 30 ish or bigger given that his calling range should consisit of the same PP that are in your range and your at the top of that range. I would assume for him to fold Ax hands given your range.

if his range consisted of 50% PP and 50% Ax and Ax called 100% and PP also just called 100% when you make it 8 then your making more money if when you make it 40 he folds Ax 100% and only calls PP 50% (i.e .25*40 = 10). this doesnt take into account the times he bluffs raises but given your range and the fact that he is a tight straightforward player it seems fairly safe to assume he is c/r bluffing very infrequently.

Let me know what you think and if my logic is off. Thanks and again great vid

Posted 4 months ago

Befeltingu

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Time Link to 00:50:25

BTW that was a really good point on the QQ on how that 8$ bet on the river can affect your bottom line and I probably miss a lot of spots where I could be improving my winrate a decent amount by being more aware of bet sizing. great point

Posted 4 months ago



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