Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by Hielko (Micro/Small Stakes)

Time Link to 00:23:29

I think your underestimating the strength of villain on the buttons range. I think you thought that UTG+1 limped and hero isoed. But UTG+1 minraised and we 3bet and button coldcalled. Does this change the way you would play the hand. Would you jam the turn knowing the button cc a 3bet and called the flop cbet? Would you still call down given villains bet sizes? And would you 3bet with ATo in this spot.

Time Link to 00:07:28

First of all - Great Vid with lots of valueable content - respect

I defenetly agree that when you val.bet Turn here larger
(vs. TP+Onecard-FD-hands for example), you can C/F condifently many Blank-rivers b/c Villains then of course also have lots of flushes in their range, will not call deep with this busted TP+FD-hands and will checkback usually this TP-hands.

Last point is interesting:
Reason: I think we have no C/Callrange on the river -> hence, wouldn`t an expertplay from Villain to just shove Blankrivers with even his TPs when we check?
That is of course more a theoretical question b/c in reality I do not expect Villains to shove here the rivers with worse hands -> C/F is in praxis then the best play on the river.

very nice video!

Time Link to 00:51:20

I like the basic idea for the bluff and I think that is what you were trying to stress. But I think it is a lot closer given that the A on the river makes it impossible for you to have all the Axs flush combos.

So lets look at the possible flush combos:

56s, 67s, 78s, 89s, 9Ts, QTs, KQs, K9s raises flop likely, T8s raises flop,
97s, 86s, 75s, Q8s, T7s, KTs raises turn (i think you raise some of these on the flop sometimes like T7s if you ever call pre)
Anyway lets assume we call them all IP that is a total of 12 combos only for the flush.

Now there is 3 combos of JTs, maybe 2 combos JTo, 3 combos 9Ts and I guess 8 combos of QT or so which we dont raise on the flop 50 % of the time = 4 combos
That adds up to to 12 combos of hands pair+OE that call a c/r on the turn
and now can be possibly turned into a bluff.

Well, actually we might fold some of the OE because we could be behind to KT already.

But in general I think it is not too unlikely for us to get to the river with a pair+ missed OE that now bluffs the flush.

This is not my opinion. Im thinking about the hand so there might be some mistakes in my thought process. What do you think?

edit: I guess we dont bet the turn with JT and especially not with 9T, so these hands are actually not in our range and therefore can't be turned into a bluff. Given that, our range is more flush heavy again.

This hand is really interesting. So many things to consider.

Last point is interesting:
Reason: I think we have no C/Callrange on the river -> hence, wouldn`t an expertplay from Villain to just shove Blankrivers with even his TPs when we check?

IMO, I don't think a)the hand ever gets played this way if he had a different hand than the range given, and b)given my inability to fold the turn, him believing he could fold out what appears to be a stronger hand than I had would be living dangerously.

I think your underestimating the strength of villain on the buttons range. I think you thought that UTG+1 limped and hero isoed. But UTG+1 minraised and we 3bet and button coldcalled. Does this change the way you would play the hand. Would you jam the turn knowing the button cc a 3bet and called the flop cbet? Would you still call down given villains bet sizes? And would you 3bet with ATo in this spot.

You are right, misread the action a bit preflop. Think he 3bet preflop with ATo is very good, but we need to be more carefull postflop indeed. Don't want to play for stacks here.

First of all - Great Vid with lots of valueable content - respect

Thanks

I defenetly agree that when you val.bet Turn here larger
(vs. TP+Onecard-FD-hands for example), you can C/F condifently many Blank-rivers b/c Villains then of course also have lots of flushes in their range, will not call deep with this busted TP+FD-hands and will checkback usually this TP-hands.

Meh, if we just vbet and don't get raised on the turn I would probably vbet blank rivers again. He might bluff catch TP type of hands since we could easily bluff the turn (scare card + improves the equity of a decent amount of combo's with a backdoor FD).

Last point is interesting:
Reason: I think we have no C/Callrange on the river -> hence, wouldn`t an expertplay from Villain to just shove Blankrivers with even his TPs when we check?
That is of course more a theoretical question b/c in reality I do not expect Villains to shove here the rivers with worse hands -> C/F is in praxis then the best play on the river.

It might be a really good bluff, but almost everyone is happy to take showdown value especially when you have reasonable odds to have the best hand. And at the same time; even if your range would check/fold 100% of the time, you are a little bit protected by the fact that other players would not always check/fold 100%.

very nice video!

Thanks

But in general I think it is not too unlikely for us to get to the river with a pair+ missed OE that now bluffs the flush.

We should almost never get to the river with a pair+missed OE. Usually we check back the turn, and when we get check/raised we should fold. You are right that a decent amount of flush combo's should be discounted from our range as well, but the thing is; when the action goes exactly like this, we are almost going to have some kind of flushdraw. Made hand will never slowplay here on the turn, and worse draws should almost always fold.

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Meh, if we just vbet and don't get raised on the turn I would probably vbet blank rivers again. He might bluff catch TP type of hands since we could easily bluff the turn (scare card + improves the equity of a decent amount of combo's with a backdoor FD).


It might be a really good bluff, but almost everyone is happy to take showdown value especially when you have reasonable odds to have the best hand. And at the same time; even if your range would check/fold 100% of the time, you are a little bit protected by the fact that other players would not always check/fold 100%.

all right, thanks for responding^^

Thanks for including and walking through my hand, SR, and very nice review Hielko. Inflating the pot on the turn was questionable at the time, and we did not completely agree as a group when discussing the hand recently. I probably just got a little enthusiastic with the turned SFD, and with so much equity it can't be that bad of a mistake? I also felt it kept my range wider.

As for the results of that hand, I am constantly seeing winning regs, that you had assumed were good / decent, make bad plays (we all have off days and make plenty of mistakes, but it's so important to remain focused).

In this case, villains hand is barely any different to TP, yet he was determined not to be bluffed off 2pr. As Hielko described, we get to SD like this with a flush every time, whereas we give up with some of our bluffs some % of the time.

Getting bluffed occasionally is not the end of the world, embrace folding! You should make a lot more money making good thin value bets than thin hero calls (certainly at the micros/small stakes, and perhaps many mid stakes games).

Time Link to 00:52:34

Dont really think its that great a bluff. Simply because there are not a lot of flush combo's in our range. 87s...would we call preflop? Depends on villain. Any combo with a 9 (89, 9T, A9s), we would very often raise the flop. The jack blocks a lot of combo's (TJ, JQ, JK). QTs probably doesnt always call preflop. QK could get it in om the turn.

So you have about 2 combo's of flushes being sometimes QK and sometimes QT.

On the river we have a very polarized range, being mostly backdoors or hands like QK that we turn into a bluff. Sometimes we float with AQ. Wonder if we always shove AJ. We def dont bet any hand that is just one pair J (like JK, AJo) on the turn.

Dont really think its that great a bluff. Simply because there are not a lot of flush combo's in our range

The fact that our Valuerange regards to combos is not large(KdQd, KdTd, Td9d, Td8d, 9d8d, 9d7d) , does not matter, when we almost have no/less Bluffcombos in our range.


Jx-hands will for instance check back Turns more often (what is often good, imo).
And something like KQ will not always B/Call the Turn-C/Raise + not always turn itself into a bluff on the river (though it is imo not bad, when you come to the river here).

The fact that our Valuerange regards to combos is not large(KdQd, KdTd, Td9d, Td8d, 9d8d, 9d7d) , does not matter, when we almost have no/less Bluffcombos in our range.


Jx-hands will for instance check back Turns more often (what is often good, imo).
And something like KQ will not always B/Call the Turn-C/Raise + not always turn itself into a bluff on the river (though it is imo not bad, when you come to the river here).

Think your # valuerange combo's is way too wide. There might be 2 flushcombo's, since (and there is no info about opponent) cold calling the Btn with KT, 97s, T8s is quite loose and some raise or reraise flop/turn.

The rest is fine. So when there are 2 valuecombo's and one or two bluffcombo's in our range, his call with two pair is superstandard.

98d, 9Td, KQd, KTd, QTd seems like a reasonable value range (needs to be discounted since we raise some of these some % on the flop, and KTd should shove turn). So yes; our value range here is super small.

But; the combo's of bluffs we could have here should however be practically zero. Every single made hand that isn't a very strong combodraw should fold turn or shove turn, and having the backdoor flushdraw here is very hard for us since JTs, KJs and AJs should check behind the turn and a hand like 87s might fold pre, fold flop or raise flop. So we should have close to zero bluffs on the river, and when we somehow get to the river with a bluff villain should still discount this range since he can't know if we are good enough to bluff this river/turn a made hand in a bluff.

But even if hero is 'bad' in the sense that his bluffing range might be a bit bigger, I think it's still a good bluff from a fundamental game theory perspective. If we would not be bluffing here, villain could fold all bluff catchers on the river when we bet. If we do have enough bluff combo's - but not more - he's forced to make a correct call, but is losing money compared to the other scenario.

Getting bluffed occasionally is not the end of the world, embrace folding!

I agree. I don't mind getting bluffed off a hand. To me it's like the... purest thing in poker. There's nothing else involved but your opponent, your skill in figuring out whether you should fold or not, and his skill in getting you to fold.

There was a hand in the first vid where I got bluffed off JJ by JTs. Unfortunately didn't make the 2nd so that the hands were fresh, but IMO, good on him for getting me out. And it was probably the right fold given his range if not his actual holding.

Time Link to 00:13:21

I dont understand what Hielko means when he says that AJo in a multibet pot plays better than in a single bet pot, especially for top pair. Is it just that pot size in single bet pot is issue?

I dont understand what Hielko means when he says that AJo in a multibet pot plays better than in a single bet pot, especially for top pair. Is it just that pot size in single bet pot is issue?

The shorter the stacksize the lower the handstrength is that you need to play for stacks. By 3betting you effectively reduce stacksizes, and so the value of top pair increases compared to sets/straights/flushes. And AJo is a hand that usually hits TP-type strength.

Time Link to 00:53:03

I find this spot/bluff really interesting. Thats a shame we dont have the HUD available. Great analysis by Hielko.

I find this spot/bluff really interesting. Thats a shame we dont have the HUD available. Great analysis by Hielko.

I listed some of the HUD stats in a DC HH Conversion (not available when the video was made):
http://www.handconverter.com/hands/805763

UTG Stats: Overall 23/18/2.7, UTG 16/16, 3b:6.9, F3b:55 CBet:68/51/70 C/R:8/5/9 WTSD:25, W$SD:55

I listed some of the HUD stats in a DC HH Conversion (not available when the video was made):
http://www.handconverter.com/hands/805763

UTG Stats: Overall 23/18/2.7, UTG 16/16, 3b:6.9, F3b:55 CBet:68/51/70 C/R:8/5/9 WTSD:25, W$SD:55

Tx dude