Dj Sensei and delcrossb move on to the flop and how to analyze it while playing, things to look for, and things to avoid.
DJ Sensei and delcrossb bring you an entry-level PLO series that focuses on building solid a theoretical framework for preflop and postflop play.
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+1 on monotone flop section in future episode.
Please post instructions for PPT enumerate. Is it the Count button?
Yes, its the count button. http://www.propokertools.com/simulations
For example, I put in a board of JhTc4c and my hand of JcJs5h5d, and the second hand Ac*c** (any nut flush draw) and hit count, and found that 3.16% of all hands have the NFD on that board. If you add a "& 30%" to the NFD hand, you can find the percentage of hands in the top 30% of hands that have the NFD (which would be useful if you knew his button opening range was 30% and you called from the BB). That % is 2.15%, by the way, but the effective % is 7.17% (because its out of only 30% of hands).
I guess I'm the one other guy who loves this theoretical stuff. High five, Tecno!
That being said, I think some practical examples to follow up this episode would be very welcome. I'm looking forward to next week.
Does Mr. Bunny d'Luckbox do PLO coaching?
You can't afford it.
*Tecmo, not techno
*Tecmo, not techno
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The fact that I get mentioned in a series where I don't even play the game is pretty awesome imo haha. Soon though! I'll be tackling this series in September!
+1 to the Tecmo/Theory Camp!
These are my favourite vids too!
Thank you, solid video on good starting framework of how to think about things in PLO ( or big bet games in general, in my case ). Even for concepts you already have mulling around in your head somewhat, it helps to hear them summarized clearly like this. Particular highlight was DJ's phrase of "stranding" one's equity.
These should be put up as mp3 as well
These should be put up as mp3 as well
good call
Just want to say you guys are doing a phenomenal job so far. This series has already cleaned up a ton of my preflop mistakes and I find my plo though process is a lot more fluid, which has translated into better post flop decisions. Supa! Looking forward to watching some HH discussions.
Fantastic, got something to listen to while I drive.
Fantastic, got something to listen to while I drive.
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Im liking this so far... I had read alot about realizing equities and such but it never really sunk in until now for some reason. Id be interested in seeing some examples of this and stopping opponents from realizing their equities...
Also - need poker hat for my dog, that thing was frickin awesome.
Really enjoying the series thus far.
Sry, I don't know how to insert time links.
But at 09:50 you say: "Almost every medium strength hand we're going to want to take down the pot immediately because flop equities are going to be very close and opponents make a large mistake by folding when they have about 40% equity"
And at 15:30 you say: "We want to keep the pot small with a marginal made hand to see a cheap turen card"
Hope you get my point. I haven't watched the rest of the video yet so maybe situation gets more transparent to me later on. Anyways I would like if anyone can explain to me what other factors to consider when I have a marginal hand on flop. Thanks
Sry, I don't know how to insert time links.
But at 09:50 you say: "Almost every medium strength hand we're going to want to take down the pot immediately because flop equities are going to be very close and opponents make a large mistake by folding when they have about 40% equity"
And at 15:30 you say: "We want to keep the pot small with a marginal made hand to see a cheap turen card"
Hope you get my point. I haven't watched the rest of the video yet so maybe situation gets more transparent to me later on. Anyways I would like if anyone can explain to me what other factors to consider when I have a marginal hand on flop. Thanks
Right on. So, as per usual, our play with marginal hands on the flop depends very much on our opponents. Against fit-or-fold players who tend to simply fold the flop very often if they don't hit it hard, we will usually want to bet and take it down. These guys will often have a good deal of equity against us, but they won't call often enough to realize it. Against very aggressive players, we are often better off checking behind to control the pot and take a free card.
Additionally, the particular kind of marginal hand that we have matters as well. Consider how many good turn cards there are for us. These could be "outs", improving our hand, or they could be blanks, likely keeping our hand in the lead. If we have a lot of good cards, but can't stand a flop raise, then checking the flop is often better because our situation will likely improve. If we don't have many good cards, then betting is usually best because we'd rather not see a turn.
And of course position matters as well. In position it is much easier to check back and control the pot, whereas out of position we may be better off trying to take it down with a bet because if we check we'll have no idea where we stand and may just have to checkfold.
I'm kinda confused, when it comes to realizing equity. I understand, that we want to realize our equity (and how we do it) and also I get the point of not allowing our opponents to realize theirs.
If we cbet we try to not allow our villain to realize his equity, but we risk getting c/r of our equity. I know that we can/ should check back, with backdoorequity and stuff, but if we check back everything except superstrong hands and airballs, which we don't care to get c/raised of, we are superpolarized and only cbet a relativly small %.
HELP!
I'm kinda confused, when it comes to realizing equity. I understand, that we want to realize our equity (and how we do it) and also I get the point of not allowing our opponents to realize theirs.
If we cbet we try to not allow our villain to realize his equity, but we risk getting c/r of our equity. I know that we can/ should check back, with backdoorequity and stuff, but if we check back everything except superstrong hands and airballs, which we don't care to get c/raised of, we are superpolarized and only cbet a relativly small %.
HELP!
I don't think its necessarily bad to have a polarized cbetting range in PLO, especially when stacks are somewhat shallow. Even if our opponent is smart (and observant!) enough to figure out that we have a marginal hand of some sort when we check back the flop, he won't know exactly what kind of marginal hand we have and which turn cards help us.
Also, SPR matters a lot in these situations. The smaller the SPR, the more we benefit from taking down whats in the pot already, but we need to pay more attention to the price we'll be laid if we get checkraised. If we estimate 25% equity against his c/r range, that isn't enough to call a c/r normally, but if he ships less than a PSB we might get priced in to call (so it might be better to check back the flop). If the SPR is high enough, then we can factor in implied/reverseimplied odds, betting more often with our nut draws (but checking back more with our non-nut ones).
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Just wanted to say that bunny has made my day!
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