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The Bonzai Tree: Episode Two

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The Bonzai Tree: Episode Two by tubasteve, ybother

Tubasteve and ybother review select hands from a 5NL 2-tabling video submitted by a DC member.

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Following up on the lessons of the Coaching Tree, tubasteve plants a new seed with ybother in this new series focusing on micro and smallstakes NL.

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  • Game: nlhe
  • Stakes: Micro/Small Stakes
  • 66 minutes long
  • Posted over 1 year ago

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Comments for The Bonzai Tree: Episode Two

Icehockeyplyr

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I put my HUD away from time to time, sometimes for a week, because I find myself playing based solely on opponent stats and my stats. Example if I find myself 12/11 at one table. I would start playing much more marginal hands thinking I'm playing way to tight when I was really just card dead. Another would be thinking that because a player is 80/5, he's gotta be bluffing this time (LOL).

1st hand, I fold for 2 reasons. One I suck OOP, and two at 5NL you see a lot SS'rs limp ship when it goes Iso call, or Iso 3bet.

Thank you Ybother, and Tubasteve for your time.

Posted over 1 year ago

forker

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Nice video but I think you misread the last hand it wasn't a 3bet pot since hero just called AQo in the SB. So bet-bet-bet line would be donk-donk-donk no? Wink
In a single-raised pot do you think this is a c/c or c/r for value on Q66tt flop vs TAG villain?

Posted over 1 year ago

TigerSpider

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Time Link to 00:59:15

you say the AJo open UTG is standard, but at these stakes do you think it is profitable? I open AJs+ UTG micro 6max, and would open AJo in MP, but would fold AJo UTG. Is that too tight, even at these stakes where ubertight play is right?

Posted over 1 year ago

tubasteve

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you say the AJo open UTG is standard, but at these stakes do you think it is profitable? I open AJs+ UTG micro 6max, and would open AJo in MP, but would fold AJo UTG. Is that too tight, even at these stakes where ubertight play is right?



in games where people play way too lose preflop and postflop i would definitely say folding AJo UTG is gonna cost you some profit

Posted over 1 year ago

KennyC

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Nice follow up video! Big improvement from last week, not just in flow but in this video I felt that both Tuba and Y had a better understanding of the types of players and play in 5NL.

There were a number of concepts that really rang home for me. One of them was on putting yourself in these awkward situations (starts around 12:00, w/ A4s), that are not very valuable. These are the types of plays that can cause us to start second guessing ourselves and start spewing money as we are learning. The other point to add to this that was made at the very end of the video, is to keep it simple especially at these stakes.

You guys also touched on a couple of my problem spots which was great. One was bluffing on the river, which is a place that I tend to get myself into a lot of trouble. Also there was some good discussion on c-betting, an area where I can always think of a reason to c-bet but have some trouble finding reasons to hold back (although I'm improving).

Thanks!

Posted over 1 year ago

CF23

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great stuff.

video is super blurry?!
it's not my screen, i checked on a different monitor.

Posted over 1 year ago

Unstable James

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zenben

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Time Link to 01:00:09

When the SS minbet/min 3bets on AT8tt and we have TPJK, would you play this differently vs 100BB stack? Seems like Steve is saying villain can show up with all kinds of hands here BECAUSE he's short stacked, but IME, this is a very strong play from a relatively unknown full stacker at the micros. I'd expect to see TT/88, AT/A8, and maybe AK/AQ and sometimes Tx with a FD. I rarely see a fuller stack fish who doesn't have an aggro dynamic do this with air or just a FD on an Ah board (they usually donk/call or ch/C at the micros) and if they were donk/3betting TPNK, I would have expected him to do this earlier in the match.

Posted over 1 year ago

Yojimgari

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I know Icehockeyplyr from some Secret HQ Skype poker groups, so I'll respond to his video. I like this format more than sweat sessions because you can skip to the important hands and focus on them a lot. There is still a place for some sweat session though, since we can see some small errors. Icehockeyplyr, don't bluff-catch against 80/5 players hehe.

7:00 KQ
Pros to calling: Good enough hand/skill, let limper in
Pros to 3betting: OOP w/o initiative vs 2 w/o suit reduces flop ck/r chances
Pros to folding: OOP w/o initiative vs 2 w/o suit reduces flop ck/r chances, maybe not confident in 3bet/skill
Interesting comments, I could see mainly calling or 3betting here, less likely to fold. Reads, etc change this. What does everybody think?

10:45 A4
Pros to calling: IP w/skill, medium strength hand, lets BB in
Pros to 3betting: No initiative, medium strength hand, 3.5x raise, not deep, no reads, good light 3bet hand
Pros to folding: No initiative, medium strength hand, 3.5x raise, not deep, no reads, maybe not confident in 3bet/skill, not a thin value 3bet like TT
For now I'd 3bet, I could see calling with more skill/implied odds/reads/weaker blinds, etc. I could see folding for beginner players, or maybe if light 3bets aren't as important at 5nl.

Once people check OOP as the preflop aggressor, they are usually check-folding, and if they call they are usually check-folding the turn, so you should bet twice almost always. No need to bet huge, but use a believable size, 65%-70% pot on this flop, and then 65% pot on most turns. The 20c bet increases the chances people will call you down too light. Sometimes it won't matter but no need to take that chance, bet bigger. Once you get check-called twice you should frequently consider giving up on the river since once you get the second call they are often trapping or have a strong pot control hand, or got suspicious of your small bet and decided to call down. Bet K/Q/J/T/5 turns. A turn Ace gives you the best hand usually, but you can't get three streets of value and he's usually check-folding, plus sometimes you are behind an Ace, so you should check an Ace turn. Don't bet a board pairing card unless it's a diamond. Check a four since you beat a 2 or a 3 or Ace high now, and the four helps some low pairs to call down again or beat you. Bet 7/8/9 of diamonds as a semi-bluff, and betting or checking 7/8/9 not of diamonds is close. Just bet the King turns, he's just gonna fold.

21:00 QQ
I open to 22c here in this specific spot. Raise bigger for value, OOP with a strong hand against a weak player, still considering that he's short, and the big blind could call. OOP vs 2 with a medium strength hand, and with an Ace, a flush draw, and a straight draw on the flop, I'd check-evaluate here. The worse hands that will call will just be betting the turn when you check to them if they are draws, you can't get a ton of value out of weaker pairs, and won't be outdrawn by King high that much here. The short stack will raise all-in with draws. Sometimes you are ahead, but you are just gonna be in a bad reverse implied odds spot, so check-evaluate. Usually it'll be check-fold unless the action is very small ahead.

28:50 J2
I'd check preflop. Raising even against a weak player, I don't think is as good, OOP with a weak hand. If you have some special reads then theoretically a raise is possible, but it's a standard check. On the flop I am betting at almost all boards with almost anything. You flop a pair and two backdoor draws but they are weak. Villain can hit this flop sometimes plus it's tough to bet an Ace turn since that could help him plus you can't blindly barrel if you pick up a draw either since he may not fold a Queen. OOP with a weak hand on a wet board and not much barrel cards, I'd check-fold, although a bet isn't the worst thing ever. If the flop is checked then you bet almost all turns since he'll have something weak.

31:15 K5
Standard isolation for me. Your hand/position is strong enough, the mid stacked button probably isn't too strong, and there is the big blind you can play with, plus your hand plays fine against the limpers mid stack. If he was full stacked I'd make it 5bb but against a mid stack I'll make it 4.5bb's, raise bigger for value and to fold out the button. Folding isn't terrible since you have a 5 instead of a 7, but I'd raise as a default here. I'd raise K2s/KTo/A8o, fold Q5s/K9o/A7o. Your rpponent being midstacked hurts your suit's semi-bluffing chances some but I think it's okay. I'd raise but I can see arguments for folding too because of the stack size and kicker. Of course for beginner players they should be more likely to fold. With more info on the button and blinds it becomes a consideration to consider overlimping, but in the cutoff you should be more careful overlimping. What does everybody think, should we raise preflop?

Check the flop, there are three players, somebody will have an Ace. You can get get value from worse flush draws, but once you check behind the turn you can't call a river bet unless you hit a flush. You can fold out some air and weak pairs but I'd check. I would be more likely to bet this than A62t with a flush draw since it reduces the chances somebody has an Ace if there are trip Aces on the board. Betting isn't very terrible but I'd check. As played check the turn since it's so likely villain has an Ace, plus since you have a flush draws it reduces the chances he has a flush draw. You can get him to fold a 6 or mid pair on the river sometimes. I wonder if you should bet $1 on the river to fold out JJ/TT/99/77, flush draws with an 8, or a 6. He won't fold a Queen high flush draw or KK or an Ace. Villain often bets an Ace on the turn. A 2/3 pot bet has to work 40% of the time, I wonder if it will? I'll have to do some Equilab calculations. King high is usually not good here, and even if it is then it means that villain has a flush draw and you will be check-folding. You won this hand with King high by the river getting checked, but I think that is rare, doesn't mean I'd bet though.

47:40 AQ
I like opening to 4bb in MP. My range is tight, I want value from the blinds, and don't want people in position calling me as much. I like value bet-folding 27c on the flop, you are betting for value/protection. If villain check-raises a ton then there is some merit to checking. I can see merit to checking or betting a little smaller, but I'd value bet. You are ahead of a Queen, JJ, a ten, an Ace, a Jack, and a club. If villain checks this ten turn then you have a very easy value bet. You are ahead of a Queen, JJ, an Ace, a Jack, and a club, he'll generally lead with a better hand. Call the turn bet, you are still in good shape and he didn't bet big. Check behind on the river, not much reason to do anything else, it'd be tough if villain bets again but unless he's betting very small or is aggro or you have reads then I would often fold.

52:30 AK
Value 3bet preflop! If there is a squeezer behind or enough loose-passives, then a call becomes a consideration, but I don't really do that. At these stakes people are calling with AQ/98s/22 often, and aren't playing 4bet or fold OOP to a 3bet. Once you get squeezed it's kind of annoying because people aren't as aggro at these stakes plus the open was from UTG, but he is in position and you have a very strong hand and aren't that deep. AKs seems too strong to fold and it's often tough to call with AK OOP to a 3bet even if it's suited, so I'd back-raise. You could consider a 4bet-call or just going all-in. I'd go all-in, maybe he gets scared and folds QQ/AK/JJ/TT, although sometimes he may consider the shove bluffy. With AKs you have blockers and equity against his range, and still equity against KK. I don't like a small 4bet because at these stakes AKs doesn't dominate villain's range as much because it's only 5nl, and people aren't 5betting light/thin with A5s or AQ facing your small 4bet so that is also a downside to it. If you had AA you should 4bet small, but if you had KK then I am not sure, I tend to just go all-in with that to fold out AK but maybe it's best if he goes all-in with AK, if so then a small 4bet is best with KK. Let's see what others think. What should you do with KK here? Also, I think at these stakes it's more likely people call 4bets, especially in position if they have something like QQ/JJ, so that is a downside to a small 4bet with QQ/AK, and to a lesser extent KK.

58:40 AJ
I'd also raise to 4bb here. AJo/KQo and similar strength hands are fine to open UTG, unless there are LAG's/sLAG's/good TAG's in position on you or you are very new to 6max nl, then folding is an option. Make sure not to pay off improperly postflop with AJo/KQo though. Facing the min-lead you should value raise, but with your kicker and the 5.5 SPR it's tough if you face a 3bet, but that won't usually happen. I'd make it 35c here. Facing the min-3bet it's weird. Sometimes he is playing weird with a better hand, sometimes he has a draw or is doing a weird bluff. I'm not very clear on if you should try to get the money in here, or take a card off, since I'd prefer AQ and/or a slightly smaller SPR and/or you being in late position and/or more info on opponent. Let's see what others say. Should we 3bet the flop? Once the turn is a blank and he min-bets, I'm raise-calling 80c. The more likely he is to call with a weak hand to a shove, or not 3bet a draw but be likely to call a shove, the more likely I am to shove. If there was a double flush draw on the turn I'll raise all-in, he can hit that second flush draw or go all-in with a weaker pair. Other consideratiosn may make me raise all-in on the turn, which is an option as well.

1:02:10 AQ
If you call you will be OOP without the initiative against 2-3 opponents plus AQo doesn't hit a ton of flops and it will be tough to check-raise OOP against at least two opponents. You can value 3bet, and even though MP will often fold, you can get value from the cutoff. Standard check-call on the flop. Let him bluff his air, and your hand isn't strong enough to check-raise without history and/or higher stakes, plus you lose to a six. A lead is an option only if you have a read that the guy gets aggro/cally against leads. I don't see a guy calling with JJ for three streets unless you have reads and/or images. You can check-call and then lead the turn and river. In this spot it's tough to check-raise and bet/bet because I don't see him calling down with KQ a huge portion of the time. Sure it's possible that he calls down to a bet-bet-bet with JJ, but that's outweighed by the benefits of a check-call then bet-bet, because he'll fold air to a flop lead too often.

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Please scroll up and consider my questions please. Great video! Thanks, Yojimgari

Posted over 1 year ago

DntWryUllWin

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Time Link to 01:00:55

Could that hand have been played any worse by the BB haha! I see alot of donk betting at 10NL and 25NL as well but my ? is when if ever would you think donk betting would be a good play?

Posted over 1 year ago

DntWryUllWin

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Time Link to 01:06:22

On this hand you would donk the flop from the SB and not check to preflop raiser? Or were you just thinking that he 3bet preflop?

Posted over 1 year ago

tubasteve

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On this hand you would donk the flop from the SB and not check to preflop raiser? Or were you just thinking that he 3bet preflop?




thought he 3-bet Frown

Posted over 1 year ago

KosinTrouble

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I agree the video is blurry. But I liked the format. Keep up the good work YBother and Tubasteve!

Kosin Trouble

Posted over 1 year ago

chazmodius

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The comments at 2:30 plus about not playing with a HUD are especially relevant when you realize at the most micro of stakes, the player population is so large, you are most often playing against players you've never seen, making your HUD obsolete in early levels anyway.
Chaz

Posted over 1 year ago

apv2009

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illsabio

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In the video at 1:04:25 you talk about a baluga video about pre and postflop. Which video is that?

Posted about 1 year ago

ManuE1

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