Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by WiltOnTilt (Mid Stakes)

Looks set to be an epic series, this one :-)

i just jizzed in my pants

hahaha I love the series' description now I need to find out if I like the series itself

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How do you think the fact that the donk is shortstacked effects his UTG range? If he realizes donk is only 50bb deep, he should be opening less A-xs and K-xs type of hands weighing down the amount of flush draws he will have in this spot and weighting his range more to suited connectors. When he doesn't raise the turn, I think we can eliminate pretty much any sets from his range aside from the few he could be flatting for balance or hoping you 3ball a blank. Also, how do you think the presence of the Q as a high overcard effects his tendencies to raise an overpair such as both TT and AA? I don't know if you're always 3-betting TT preflop but it seems reasonable we could have that in this spot. His perceived range also includes some floats and he might not want to scare you off if he in fact does have something like JJ here. But would he realize he should have a strong range here and raise anyway?

How do you think the fact that the donk is shortstacked effects his UTG range? If he realizes donk is only 50bb deep, he should be opening less A-xs and K-xs type of hands weighing down the amount of flush draws he will have in this spot and weighting his range more to suited connectors. When he doesn't raise the turn, I think we can eliminate pretty much any sets from his range aside from the few he could be flatting for balance or hoping you 3ball a blank. Also, how do you think the presence of the Q as a high overcard effects his tendencies to raise an overpair such as both TT and AA? I don't know if you're always 3-betting TT preflop but it seems reasonable we could have that in this spot. His perceived range also includes some floats and he might not want to scare you off if he in fact does have something like JJ here. But would he realize he should have a strong range here and raise anyway?

think the results are evidence that he's opening super wide pf. i think if they flat overpairs on flop, they mostly flat turn with TT+. obv slightly more likely to raise the bigger ones

Could someone give me the link to the video where Wilt talks about donking?(He mentioned he talked about it on RealLifeUnlGrinder, but I couldn't it)

Awesome first episode, really looking forward to the rest of the series. My initial thoughts on the last hand are that he thinks u don't have a J when u check the river so he must have the best hand, but I feel he is weighing other info (reads/metagame/random voices in his head that tell him what to do) in his decision to bet here b/c it's obv just too thin otherwise. Another possibility.... this would be an easy shove if he could see your cards....is this UB?


P.S. bluffalo I lol'd

Awesome first episode, really looking forward to the rest of the series. My initial thoughts on the last hand are that he thinks u don't have a J when u check the river so he must have the best hand, but I feel he is weighing other info (reads/metagame/random voices in his head that tell him what to do) in his decision to bet here b/c it's obv just too thin otherwise.

yea i mean it seems like he should give me credit for having Jx there a good amount if hes a decent handreader and he knows i'm not dumb... so either hes trying to run a suicide bluff or he correctly determined that i can click the call button w/ bluff catchers of varying strength.

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I don't recall it being mentioned, but in the first hand what are we doing with AK of spades when villain bets this turn?

On the river it seems we can't value bet AQ, would that be correct?

You also say that villain should be shoving the river with anything better than AQ, but we seem to have AQ pretty crushed. AQ is the bottom of our range and we have a decent number of better hands. Given this and how hard it would be to get called by worse if we value bet AQ, should villain not be check folding AQ here? It seems like he should be vs jk3a here, but would that be a mistake against most regs?

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On the last hand, I think he just discounted the Jack from your range when you x/c the turn. I mean you were torn about whether he was valuebetting or bluffing, like what you expect him to bluff you off? You dont have AK with this dynamic, neither a set (you shove pairs pre, big ones at least in his mind) so he has to be like just didnt give you that much of a hand and thought you were bluffcatching here a lot and probably was aware of his big bluffing range and maybe he thought he had to widen his value range, dont know if it would be good, he can widen it by having set if he likes, or he might be just not that good.

I don't recall it being mentioned, but in the first hand what are we doing with AK of spades when villain bets this turn?

On the river it seems we can't value bet AQ, would that be correct?

You also say that villain should be shoving the river with anything better than AQ, but we seem to have AQ pretty crushed. AQ is the bottom of our range and we have a decent number of better hands. Given this and how hard it would be to get called by worse if we value bet AQ, should villain not be check folding AQ here? It seems like he should be vs jk3a here, but would that be a mistake against most regs?

calling turn with AsKs. we have position, can't check fold. assuming he almost never checks with better than AQ and as you can see can talk himself into a bad call, we should def bet AQ

This isn't exactly what I imagined when I made a series suggestion here: http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=63c6&t=63c6.40&f=63c6.5e7e0

but no one from DC contacted me or anything to ask for any further clarifying suggestions.

I only bring it up so the people who voted for the suggestion know this is a different direction than i originally envisioned.

Thankyou, tyvm.

This isn't exactly what I imagined when I made a series suggestion here: http://www.google.com/moderator/#15/e=63c6&t=63c6.40&f=63c6.5e7e0

but no one from DC contacted me or anything to ask for any further clarifying suggestions.

I only bring it up so the people who voted for the suggestion know this is a different direction than i originally envisioned.

Thankyou, tyvm.

happy to take your suggestions about content you'd like to see in future episodes

On the last hand, I think he just discounted the Jack from your range when you x/c the turn. I mean you were torn about whether he was valuebetting or bluffing, like what you expect him to bluff you off? You dont have AK with this dynamic, neither a set (you shove pairs pre, big ones at least in his mind) so he has to be like just didnt give you that much of a hand and thought you were bluffcatching here a lot and probably was aware of his big bluffing range and maybe he thought he had to widen his value range, dont know if it would be good, he can widen it by having set if he likes, or he might be just not that good.

saying he was "bluffing" is kind of in jest given that its kinda hard for me to give a random reg enough credit for thinking that i'm bluff catching with very many worse hands...but you're definitely right, there arent any better hands he's getting me to fold!

happy to take your suggestions about content you'd like to see in future episodes

To echo what jared said, we haven't recorded episode 2 yet, so give us all your suggestions!

Loved this episode guys, its really good and there's obviously really good chemistry between you guys. I think this series has outstanding potential, you guys are both excellent video makers.

Regarding the math, I would love to see more of it. I don't think there are nearly enough series at DC which combine session reviews or hand history reviews with the practical application of math.

Hey guys.

Just on the last hand.

I think it is a value bet.

Given your range is capped because of no PF4B.
So you never have Sets.
Then as you mentioned - AQ and KKK are equivalent in hand strength.

So then if your range is bluffcatchers + Jx.
And there is a described aggressive high-stackes dynamic - which means that he will be barrelling air a ton.
And he would be aware that your perceived range is what it is.
Then surely the amount of bluffcatchers you have will be greater than normal that will actually call the river.
And when you add in the dead money.
I think value betting Sets + Strong two pairs + dead money will be +EV for him.

So surely we can run through the hand combos of your bluffcatchers vs Jx and see if he can shove for value wide?
My gut tells me you have more bluffcatchers than Jx - but I might be wrong how low you will go defending JXo and if you have a 4-bet bluff range whether that blocks some other JXs or bluffcatchers.

Definitely think its worth looking at the price he is getting.

So maybe he doesnt have to discount Jx because he believes you are "bad enough" to raise Jx on the turn.


Just my thoughts from a micro-donk

Regarding the math, I would love to see more of it. I don't think there are nearly enough series at DC which combine session reviews or hand history reviews with the practical application of math.

+1

Also to Zed - the idea for this series was actually originally pulled from a suggestion that TheGeek proposed called Range Raiders.

I think this is one of the most creative and ambitious series on any training site yet. As for the last hand, I think he soul-owned us really. Villain knows we're going to ship AQ/KQ preflop so almost all sets/2 pairs are totally out of our range. KJ, QJ, TJ, and possibly AJ are really our only combos of a straight. He knows his range looks so polarized there and made a great valuebet. His valuebet imo is actually fairly standard when you consider that, right? Our decision with QT is much harder because we can never be totally sure what level he's on.

To echo what jared said, we haven't recorded episode 2 yet, so give us all your suggestions!

I would enjoy seeing a mathematical breakdown of what % to check and valuebet for a balanced range. Like say we have AK on AQJ, most everyone is betting 100% there but (Correct me if I'm wrong ofc) we should have a checking range on that board which includes some combos of AK. A long theory breakdown of how often to check, how it effects our EV, and how opponent must react to us depending on how often we check/bet. I'm not sure everyone would like this kind of GTO stuff, but I would personally love it.

+1

Also to Zed - the idea for this series was actually originally pulled from a suggestion that TheGeek proposed called Range Raiders.

Thanks for the kudos, but I'm pretty sure that wasn't me!

Thanks for the kudos, but I'm pretty sure that wasn't me!

My apologies to Zuberi. He's the one who had the idea! The following was posted by him 6 months ago:

"Range Raiders,

Instead of another video and where we discuss specific hands(f.e) T9cc in the CU 6M NL and discuss what to do with this particular hand(sometimes ranges but not always) I think it would be awesome and very enlightening to adjust it so we don't know our holecards but still discuss what ranges we should open here in all the spots *then a popup or something shows up and we discuss certain ranges*. Postflop we discuss ranges of villain, and look at our own range and think exactly about what our bluffing range,valuebetting range etc. will be. This way there will be very in depth discussions and analysis of hand ranges."

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I'm pretty sure you just misspoke here since I think it's pretty clear with 1 card to come we have < 50% equity. 49% is our equity on the flop. After the turn, we have ~30% equity.

I think this is one of the most creative and ambitious series on any training site yet. As for the last hand, I think he soul-owned us really. Villain knows we're going to ship AQ/KQ preflop so almost all sets/2 pairs are totally out of our range. KJ, QJ, TJ, and possibly AJ are really our only combos of a straight. He knows his range looks so polarized there and made a great valuebet. His valuebet imo is actually fairly standard when you consider that, right? Our decision with QT is much harder because we can never be totally sure what level he's on.

1st bolded part: you say that as if those don't comprise a TON of combos. I play each of those hands this way virtually 100% of the time except maybe 4bet/call AJ like 30-50% or so with this dynamic. I would not say AQ is a standard value bet for most players here.

2nd bolded part: absolutely true!

I'm certainly willing to accept that I got soul owned here. Didn't know he was capable of it...but now I know!

p.s. shipping KQ pre? maybe you meant 4betting AQ/AK (would 4bet those small not ship them)

p.s. shipping KQ pre? maybe you meant 4betting AQ/AK (would 4bet those small not ship them)

Yeah, that's actually exactly what I meant lol

I'm pretty sure you just misspoke here since I think it's pretty clear with 1 card to come we have < 50% equity. 49% is our equity on the flop. After the turn, we have ~30% equity.

i was joking. thx for the fine tooth comb

i was joking. thx for the fine tooth comb

was hoping so sometimes hard to tell w/ you! (not because you are dumb lol, bc of your humor style)

this got me thinking though, what IS the most equity we could possibly have in the perfect situation w/ 1 card to come?

I just ran one simulation and got 51%.

+1

Also to Zed - the idea for this series was actually originally pulled from a suggestion that TheGeek proposed called Range Raiders.

Really? It seems like too strange a coincidence that the most voted for suggestion, titled 'home on the range' -- which takes it's name from the kansas state song -- contains in its' first line the phrase 'oh give me a home where the buffalo roaaammm' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_on_the_Range

No connection there? okeeee. anyways here's an example of what i'm talking about WillofTilt/jk3a:





SB: $204.00
BB: $392.55
Hero (UTG): $200.00
MP: $206.00
CO: $228.30
BTN: $200.00

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is UTG with K K
Hero raises to $6, 4 folds, BB calls $4

Flop: ($13.00) T K J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $10.00, BB calls $10

Turn: ($33.00) A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($33.00) 4 (2 players)
BB bets $16.00, Hero ?

Hero = tag reg
Villain = tight tag reg


Villain is calling pf w/ a range that constitutes about 10% of hands in the bb vs a utg open from a villain like hero. 10% of hands is ~132 combs.

When Villain c/calls the flop he will only do so w/ 40 of those 132 combos, 21 of which contain a Queen.

On the river, villain will lead a queen 100% of the time and has a queen 21/40 of the time. Of the 19 other combos, 8 include worse hands villain will value bet, 8 include combos villain will bluff with and the remaining 3 villain will just give up with.

So of the 40 combos villain c/calls the flop with and gets to the river with, he's only betting 37 of those 40. 21/37 or 56.7% of the time villain has a queen, and 16/37 = 43.2% villain is either bluffing or value betting worse.


On the river Villain bets 16 into 33 meaning hero has to be good 16/(16+16+33) = 24.6% to b/e. (.432*49)+(.567*-16)=$12.1 so cal;ling is +ev by that much.

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I just thought it was the one I recommened because of the name of and how similar it was to thte one i suggested so i felt i had to speak up but it sounds like this is a different concept series and definitely not having anything to do with the suggestion i made in that other page.

i really liked this one, and only said what i said because i thought this series was the result of my suggestion. now that I know they have nothing to do with eachother it makes sense how they are different.

Thankyou, God bless our troops, and God bless America.

Obviously I don't know anything about dynamics at these kind of stakes, but it would seem to me that our range is quite capped given we didn't 4bet pre.
No AK/AQ/AA/KK/QQ/JJ/TT. But still, a lot of our hands have a J: non J hands: AT/KQ/KT/QT (36combos), and AJ/KJ/QJ/JT (48) that get to the river like that.
Also, he probably expects you to raise a J 'some' percent of the time, thereby discounting it. Another factor that may make him think you raise a J is that he can't expect you to think that he'd bet his 2P (or sets) on the river, thereby losing value if you actually have a J. Position is pretty cool!

Obviously he does get owned a lot since you do have so many J's in your range. But if you actually never raise a J on the turn, doesn't that make a call with QT kinda bad? I mean, he can have lotsa J's too, and you don't need to make that call if you're gonna be calling half the time with the nuts anyway, or do you expect so many bluffs on his part? (hard to fathom)

On another note, I'm in the NOT so much math camp, I like hearing both of your thoughts much more, and listening to play considerations, because they are much more valuable ingame. Hearing you tear a range apart is great (with pokerstove). Maybe EVcalcs can be set up as homework for the viewers. You already explained that stuff in your Math series, and just hearing it again won't help much for those that don't know because you gotta actually pick up a calculator and do it yourself for it to stick. So I think it would be a waste of time. And if you do use EV calculations, don't do them during the video, just show results, and viewers can actually check them themselves to see if they are correct.
Just my 2 cents!

Very enjoyable!

No connection there? okeeee.....

It is obviously somewhat related, but the description I posted (which is the idea Zuberi posted 6 months ago) is where we ORIGINALLY got the idea. It sounds like it is important for you to be recognized though so thank you for posting the suggestion. The votes it received helped confirm that people wanted to see a series like this.

That being said, they have only recorded one episode and they can clearly incorporate new ideas (like they have posted already).

was hoping so sometimes hard to tell w/ you! (not because you are dumb lol, bc of your humor style)

this got me thinking though, what IS the most equity we could possibly have in the perfect situation w/ 1 card to come?

I just ran one simulation and got 51%.

super dry humor ftw. let me know what you come up with. more interesting in plo i think

was hoping so sometimes hard to tell w/ you! (not because you are dumb lol, bc of your humor style)

this got me thinking though, what IS the most equity we could possibly have in the perfect situation w/ 1 card to come?

I just ran one simulation and got 51%.

I got 56.8% equity w/ kqh vs 22 (no heart) on jhthtc6c

No love for my post

Any chance you guys gonna breakdown the numbers to see how dead money fits in - and what sort of range he should ascribe you?

Or was my first post - so off the mark?

I got 56.8% equity w/ kqh vs 22 (no heart) on jhthtc6c

linkwood vs tecmo

linkwood 1, tecmo 0

No love for my post

Any chance you guys gonna breakdown the numbers to see how dead money fits in - and what sort of range he should ascribe you?

Or was my first post - so off the mark?

Hey Digger, did you see Peesocake's post where he counted the combos of the 2pairs vs the Jx hands and got 36 combos of 2pairs vs the 48 combos of Jx?

It is possible that I don't "need" to bluff catch with 2pair here because I'll have "enough" Jx but again it depends on which level he's on and where he thinks I'm at. Does he expect me to call him with 1pair? 2pair? or Jx only? He can probably take this line with 100% of his hands worse than the worst 2pair he thinks I call with and bluff with them and show a profit, depending on exactly how wide his range is pf and what he does with some hands like TPNK (if he cbets them and is willing to bluff that turn card with them).

It's really hard to say but if we can narrow his value range to Jx, AA/KK, and air (which is basically what I think is reasonable for most tags that I don't have a specific read on) then I think it's pretty reasonable to bluff catch with 2pair here given how hard it is for him to have Jx once he cbets (again as stated in the vid I'd expect him to check KJ, JT, and JJ behind on the flop as a default).

Obv he owned me here by correctly assessing the level I was on and being willing to make a nice thin value bet with a hand I didn't give him credit for.

Does that help?

edit: he's risking close to 1:1 on his bluff, so he's going to need me to fold a little less than half the time

Hi, seems like an epic series.
I was just wondering how to get a popup like yours to 3bet stat?

thank you

Wilt:
(a) Wouldnt you 4-bet/call AJ pre - reducing your Jx more.

And if you are gonna bluff catch - surely you can only ever bluff catch with two pair? Otherwise your frequency is too high - amirite?

Does he flat call BvB? How often does that happen HSNL bvB or is it always 3-bet or fold?

I would have thought his PF 3-bet range would be - 22+,A2s+,K7s+,Q8s+,J7s+,T9s,98s,87s,76s,ATo+,KJo+ ~ 20%

And your call3b range - is
AJs-ATs,KJs-K9s,Q9s+,J8s+,T9s,98s,87s,AJo-ATo,KJo-K9o,Q9o+,JTo ~12%


So am I right in saying that you are saying that your Jx is sufficient in numbers to do all the bluffcatching on this board?
i.e. the nature of his 3-betting range is not bottom heavy enough to have enough air for him to be unbalanced enough that you need to expand to the 2 pairs in your bluffcatching range?

As to advice to the series.

I really prefer more HHs and mathematics rather than live play or recorded session stuff.

Wilt - always gets self consious saying he is rambling too much in those anyway.

Both of you love talking in depth and are very good at it - I think repeats of this style and with some maths is perfect imo.

If we narrow down his range to AA/KK and AJ and QJ that's 26 combos, so he needs to have about 26 bluffing combos to break even. What kind of hands would that be? If he doesn't vbet KJ, he probably doesn't vbet any pair, except maybe Ax(s) and he might want to pot control those at some point as well. Also are they in his 3bet range? Do we know anything about that? Is it maybe our preflop call with QTo OOP that's not good? We don't really know much about him do we?
So what does he 3barrelbluffs that he 3bets preflop?

Our range is pretty Jheavy though (4:3) when we call the turn, because we probably fold a lot of our 1P hands right there (including A9s, and other Ax if they're there). Or not? Doesn't that make his bet with AQ kinda dangerous for him?

Also we don't know about his 3barrels, I mean, can't he pretty much own us in this spot by giving up on his bluffs on the river, but betting the top of his range (AQ belongs to it if he expects AT,KT,KQ,QT to call)?

Maybe there were timing issues that might has swayed him into believing we don't have a J?

linkwood vs tecmo

linkwood 1, tecmo 0

haha blast!

Hi, seems like an epic series.
I was just wondering how to get a popup like yours to 3bet stat?

thank you

http://www.deucescracked.com/videos/4741-Episode-Two , Sthief shows how to do it in this video.

good 1st video, enjoyed it.

Sick last hand. The AQ is a value shove given he beats all other 2 pair combos in your range and your obv never folding/getting to river w/ better.

That 1st hand hero call with AK was funny lol.

Excellent video ! I would like to see some more math. If you could id like to see how it relates to adjusting our 3b/4bet/5bet ranges and how we can construct the range based on limited info about a villian , such as stats , a hand that went to showdown and maybe cover sample size issues. That may be to off topic for this series. Are there any videos on DC that cover this ?

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Seems like this will be another moe new epic series after Moneytraind to Midstakesvill - great!^^

@math:
Aren`t the Implieds here about 14:1, isntead 13:1?
my calculation: (2+12+44+393) : 32 = 14 : 1

Or have I anywhere a misstake here?

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Hm, AQ seems here at least in the vacuum very very close b/c of reverse + also b/c of EQ - > reason: Imo in this spot in the vacuum the most Villains would only flat here JJ in a high frequency, which is actually good.

i was joking. thx for the fine tooth comb

SARCHASM: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the recipient who doesn't get it.

I really enjoyed this format. Keep doing this! Math is fine as long as you don't take it too far and it is accurate.

Brilliant, tyvw!

On another note, I'm in the NOT so much math camp, I like hearing both of your thoughts much more, and listening to play considerations, because they are much more valuable ingame. Hearing you tear a range apart is great (with pokerstove). Maybe EVcalcs can be set up as homework for the viewers. You already explained that stuff in your Math series, and just hearing it again won't help much for those that don't know because you gotta actually pick up a calculator and do it yourself for it to stick. So I think it would be a waste of time. And if you do use EV calculations, don't do them during the video, just show results, and viewers can actually check them themselves to see if they are correct.
Just my 2 cents!

+1
Knowing how to do the calcs is important, but there is no way to always make the mathematically correct decision while 4+tabling...as part of the original suggestion, I would like to see/hear how you develop ranges (w/out seeing cards) based on 1)position, 2)boards, and 3)bet/raise size. I believe Improva did video like this, but a series from jk3a and WoT = perty damn cool...

It is obviously somewhat related, but the description I posted (which is the idea Zuberi posted 6 months ago) is where we ORIGINALLY got the idea. It sounds like it is important for you to be recognized though so thank you for posting the suggestion. The votes it received helped confirm that people wanted to see a series like this.

That being said, they have only recorded one episode and they can clearly incorporate new ideas (like they have posted already).

yes it's very important for me to be recognized so ty for that. it's also important for me to receive one hooded DC sweatshirt (medium, color white or grey just not black plz) and a limegreen DC headband so ty in advance for those as well.

tytyty, zed

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Wow,
You said that you would have val.bet on the turn 88/99 - but vs. what?
I also would consider to bet for example my bottom of my Valuerange on the flop like 78s or 88/99,
but more for Protectionreason + also with the thought to turn my hand into a bluff (here 87s would be obv. better b/c we would have more outs vs. his turncallingrange..) vs. TT/JJ.

Isn`t here a bet with 88/99 with the target "Value" just too thin in this spot?

think the results are evidence that he's opening super wide pf. i think if they flat overpairs on flop, they mostly flat turn with TT+. obv slightly more likely to raise the bigger ones

can anybody (maybe you LuckyStraights yourself, when you read this) tell me, why you should in general opening less Axs/Kxs-hands and opening more SCs, just only b/c the fish is halfstacked?


Kx/Ax has more TP-Value which is important vs. cally fishes.... like everyone knows.

Or do you think you should target here more the REGs (vs. them 98s is better than for example K8s) b/c a 50BB-Fish is not worth to be targed?

But the problem here would be that you will anyways play more pots with the fish (others will fold more often pre).

Don`t get this point...

Wow,
You said that you would have val.bet on the turn 88/99 - but vs. what?
I also would consider to bet for example my bottom of my Valuerange on the flop like 78s or 88/99,
but more for Protectionreason + also with the thought to turn my hand into a bluff (here 87s would be obv. better b/c we would have more outs vs. his turncallingrange..) vs. TT/JJ.

Isn`t here a bet with 88/99 with the target "Value" just too thin in this spot?

def a thin bet

Early in the video, jk3a opened up a stat where you saw how villain 3B's the position of the opener and you saw that he only 3B's EP 3%. I see you're using HEM, but how did u do that? The default pop-up shows what position they like to 3B, but not the position of the opener.

Early in the video, jk3a opened up a stat where you saw how villain 3B's the position of the opener and you saw that he only 3B's EP 3%. I see you're using HEM, but how did u do that? The default pop-up shows what position they like to 3B, but not the position of the opener.

Use the "3bet vs pre" pop-up. You have to add it manually.

Time Link to 00:50:55

I think this is a decent thin value bet on his part. I think he realizes that unless you have some kind of J, you don't have him beat because all other hands (sets, AK etc.) would've 4-bet preflop. As you two mention, he might think that you're raising your Jx combos on the turn a certain percentage of the time so he might discount some of your jacks. Therefore, he probably realizes his AQ is the best hand a good majority of the time and is betting for value since we think he can only value bet Jx and will be suspicious and look him up with worse two pairs.

That being said, he probably doesn't realize that we're just smooth calling all of our jacks here so this might make the value bet relatively thin. If there were more flush draws out there I'd like his line a lot more because we'd be more likely to raise Jx on the turn for value/protection, but given the rainbow board we could easily have a J on the river and he's value cutting himself.

Wilt - Final hand.

Do you like/ prefer villian betting turn and checking back river? Now that this hand has actually taken place.

If villian checked back the turn with two pair - can you explain why that is bad?

can we get this in ipod compatible??

holy ****

this one is 40 episode series right?

5 *, liked to see more dept thinking and construct the range when the hand develop

Love this series so far, mean really really love it.

Prefer to see you play more and continue the thought processes. Was great covering the card, first time I watched I was more focused on putting you and villians on hand ranges. Second time, I just soaked up your thought processes.

Just brilliant video!

Prefer to see more of this style as opposed to math discussions.

can we get this in ipod compatible??

+ 1 and all future episodes in this series too please!

Wilt - Final hand.

Do you like/ prefer villian betting turn and checking back river? Now that this hand has actually taken place.

If villian checked back the turn with two pair - can you explain why that is bad?

Yea i think his turn bet is really good. It's easy for opponents to call the turn with lots of hands just to see if he shuts down on the river or not. It's harder for people to bluff catch the river with non Jx.

As far as whether or not he should bet the river, it's good against me, not sure it's good vs others.



ALL - be sure to read all the posts in this thread prior to posting a question, especially as it relates to the QT hand.

Thanks for watching guys.

excellent episode.

please can you try and hide the cards better. I know you were trying to show the raise sizes but I can see the soots. Ta.

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lol jared you such a cash game donkey, LRR is old hat for the tourney donks

lol jared you such a cash game donkey, LRR is old hat for the tourney donks

new hat for jk3a

iphone version please

Excellent concept

Excellent stuff guys although gotta second what richbrown said, we could see you had two spades in the second hand and something offsuit in the third, but not a huge deal.

Regarding the math, here's an idea. You guys discussed the ranges you had for each action several times. What would be interesting to see is the actual percentage breakdown of each action in your overall range. eg in the first hand the breakdown of raise/call/fold on the flop would have been something like 0%/81%/19% I think. Introducing something like this for each street for both you and the villain would be a great visualization tool and could lead to some good discussion about exploitability.

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Jared, I agree with you that I'll almost never 4bet AK here, and will more often that not flat instead of 4bet QQ here. However, with AA and KK I'm going to 4bet 100% of the time. When we 4bet here with AA/KK, he's stacking off close to 100% of the time with his entire 3betting range. However, he won't do this near as easily postflop since AK will often miss and his big pairs will occasionally flop an overcard, which all will kill our action. By doing this preflop, yeah our range isn't balanced, but how well is our specific opponent going to know this and exploit us?

Jared, I agree with you that I'll almost never 4bet AK here, and will more often that not flat instead of 4bet QQ here. However, with AA and KK I'm going to 4bet 100% of the time. When we 4bet here with AA/KK, he's stacking off close to 100% of the time with his entire 3betting range. However, he won't do this near as easily postflop since AK will often miss and his big pairs will occasionally flop an overcard, which all will kill our action. By doing this preflop, yeah our range isn't balanced, but how well is our specific opponent going to know this and exploit us?

if he's stacking off nearly 100%, I agree, I don't think that's the case though.

if he's stacking off nearly 100%, I agree, I don't think that's the case though.

So what do you think a villain against you in this spot will do with JJ/QQ or AK/AQ? Do you think they sometimes 3b/fold AK, or just 3b/call QQ/JJ? Maybe vice versa?

I guess in my experience, I almost never see a TAG/Nit/LAG with a 3betting range this tight in this type of a specific positional spot ever fold to my 4bet. They'll occasionally 3b/call, but almost never fold.

So what do you think a villain against you in this spot will do with JJ/QQ or AK/AQ? Do you think they sometimes 3b/fold AK, or just 3b/call QQ/JJ? Maybe vice versa?

I guess in my experience, I almost never see a TAG/Nit/LAG with a 3betting range this tight in this type of a specific positional spot ever fold to my 4bet. They'll occasionally 3b/call, but almost never fold.

combination of sample size not being very reliable(i.e. some 'bluffs' in his range) and the occasional 3bet/fold something for value

I'm pretty sure you just misspoke here since I think it's pretty clear with 1 card to come we have < 50% equity. 49% is our equity on the flop. After the turn, we have ~30% equity.

i was joking. thx for the fine tooth comb

Just fyi, you mentioned that sometimes in HEM it shows the equity % and sometimes it doesn't. The reason it didn't is because you had the 'Show Known Cards' unchecked. It should show the % for all shown hole cards in the hand.

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How would you like a shove from villain if he had TJ of spades? I mean, if he thinks you have a better draw or if you valuebet thin like 99 as you say you might would do, then a shove with TJs here would be good wouldn't it? Besides, if he sees you as a good reg., he must know you will 2nd barrell that Queen a lot, right? Or am i missing something here?

How would you like a shove from villain if he had TJ of spades? I mean, if he thinks you have a better draw or if you valuebet thin like 99 as you say you might would do, then a shove with TJs here would be good wouldn't it? Besides, if he sees you as a good reg., he must know you will 2nd barrell that Queen a lot, right? Or am i missing something here?

yea that def could be good

You seem to be a great Coaching duo, love it!

Funny to listen to and great explanations.

Both of you have a great talent to really tell your listeners why you do stuff and not only what you do and in such a way that the listeners can easily adopt their own thought process to a higher level.

Thanks guys!

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Where the Buffalo Groan imo

Nice vid guys. Very interesting content.

Where the Buffalo Groan imo

Nice vid guys. Very interesting content.

oh give me a home, where the bluffalo groan

You seem to be a great Coaching duo, love it!

Funny to listen to and great explanations.

Both of you have a great talent to really tell your listeners why you do stuff and not only what you do and in such a way that the listeners can easily adopt their own thought process to a higher level.

Thanks guys!

much appreciated, man

In the first hand,

If we have lets say 88 and villian checks the turn, are we gonna bet? If so and villian c/c are we gonna fire rivers?

In the first hand,

If we have lets say 88 and villian checks the turn, are we gonna bet? If so and villian c/c are we gonna fire rivers?

prob showing down 88 most of time

Any word on iphone mv4 for this episode? Episodes 2 through 8 are all available

lol jared you such a cash game donkey, LRR is old hat for the tourney donks

WORD!

Late to catching up with this series, but just wanted to echo everyone else here. Really fantastic job, guys. Thanks for the series.

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Here, in the first hand, would you call preflop with any suited broadway of fold all of them (but AK obv.) because of the likelihood of being dominated too much and the playability of a hand would not surpass that? If you would call with AQ it makes sense to at least call with KQs because they have almost the same equity vs the 3% range


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Here, in the first hand, would you call preflop with any suited broadway of fold all of them (but AK obv.) because of the likelihood of being dominated too much and the playability of a hand would not surpass that? If you would call with AQ it makes sense to at least call with KQs because they have almost the same equity vs the 3% range


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not knowing anything else about the guy, I'd be folding those hands worse than AQ as a standard and I don't think folding AQ is unreasonable here given table positions and the small stat sample and no postflop reads. Having some kind of preflop and/or postflop read, it changes things obv.

Also the hot/cold equity doesn't really tell the whole story