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Where the Buffalo Roam: Episode Eight

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Where the Buffalo Roam: Episode Eight by WiltOnTilt, jk3a

Jk3a and WiltOnTilt wrap up their series with mid-stakes hand reviews from the play of both of them.

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jk3a and WoT provide an in-depth analysis of 6max hand ranges at mid and high stakes. Learn how the two illest ballas(computer nerds) in the 816 break down the intricate details of their ranges and their opponents.

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  • 48 minutes long
  • Posted over 1 year ago

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Edmuntus

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Time Link to 00:20:58

With 55, even if you have the best hand, youre out of position with not that much equity. Board can pair, he can hit his overs and will you call another bet on any turn that is not a 5? Dont you just hope, when calling, that hell check it down (then seeing his 67s pair up).

Posted over 1 year ago

PokerPiet

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Is the standard 4bet size OOP 28bb to a 9bb 3bet, and a 10bb to 25bb when IP, 100bb deep?

I know that calling 77 would be semi-standard BvB, but you said you have 35%ish equity. You need 36% to call 72bbs to win 200bb!!

Posted over 1 year ago

Crackmonkey

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jk3a

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With 55, even if you have the best hand, youre out of position with not that much equity. Board can pair, he can hit his overs and will you call another bet on any turn that is not a 5? Dont you just hope, when calling, that hell check it down (then seeing his 67s pair up).



def think it's ok against weaker opponents. you're going to have 70%ish equity alot

Posted over 1 year ago

jk3a

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Is the standard 4bet size OOP 28bb to a 9bb 3bet, and a 10bb to 25bb when IP, 100bb deep?

I know that calling 77 would be semi-standard BvB, but you said you have 35%ish equity. You need 36% to call 72bbs to win 200bb!!



i think most regs stds are slightly smaller

Smile

Posted over 1 year ago

freakstar

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One of the best DC series ever, really learned alot, and will continue to rewatch this stuff. Thank you very much!

Posted over 1 year ago

inspectorgadget

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MOOOOOAR!

HU For sure guys. I already mentioned this in the last videos thread. Smile

Posted over 1 year ago

MCMLXXXVIII

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best series ever! HU version sounds sweet!

Posted over 1 year ago

DiggerTheDog

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For villian - what tendencies for you wilt - where it would be correct for him to check-back AJ?

If you are only bluff catching better hands and turning made hands into a bluff at a balanced fashion - wouldnt checking back AJ be better?

Posted over 1 year ago

KingJames_KJ

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Great series! Would definitely like more!

Posted over 1 year ago

DaKaJ

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def think it's ok against weaker opponents. you're going to have 70%ish equity alot



You said the same thing in the vid but thats just wrong, any 2 overcards to ur 55 has at least 40% equity and you're just 50/50 against any gutshot, you never have 70% equity. Calling a small pair 3-ways oop here is definitely a loosing play against anybody decent.

Posted over 1 year ago

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Not into HU but whatever as long as you guys do another series even half as good as this it will be epic.

Posted over 1 year ago

jk3a

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You said the same thing in the vid but thats just wrong, any 2 overcards to ur 55 has at least 40% equity and you're just 50/50 against any gutshot, you never have 70% equity. Calling a small pair 3-ways oop here is definitely a loosing play against anybody decent.



yea 70% might be slightly too big, i got around 65% messing around in pokerstove with different pairs/textures. the word "decent" is quite vague. there are def some players and board textures where I would advise calling, but as a general rule if you always folded, I'm sure if wouldn't cost you much money.

Posted over 1 year ago

Emergence

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A heads-up version of this would definitely be appreciated! 5 anticipatory stars! Headsuffalooo!

Posted over 1 year ago

DiggerTheDog

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For villian - what tendencies for you wilt - where it would be correct for him to check-back AJ?

If you are only bluff catching better hands and turning made hands into a bluff at a balanced fashion - wouldnt checking back AJ be better?



Bump for Aaron.....

Posted over 1 year ago

DaKaJ

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yea 70% might be slightly too big, i got around 65% messing around in pokerstove with different pairs/textures. the word "decent" is quite vague. there are def some players and board textures where I would advise calling, but as a general rule if you always folded, I'm sure if wouldn't cost you much money.



I think that calling oop with a small pair on a paired board 3-ways is almost always going to be pretty bad, it's not a HU situation where opponent opens 100% of BTNs. For example here on JJ9 if you give the CO a 30% opening range and even if he c-bets 100% (prolly not true as he should give up some of his air) you're about a 40-60 dog right away and its pretty obvious that any bet going in on further street is not to our advantage.
But well, you both agreed that a small pair here should mostly be folded, I just wanted to say that in my opinion its not a close spot at all and that c/calling here is a pretty big leak.

Posted over 1 year ago

DaKaJ

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I mean sure if it's HU youre going to call here every time. But the guy opened from the CO and bet into 2 people,its a completely different situation, he just never have K2o or 64o and all those random hands you have good equity against.

Posted over 1 year ago

infire

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Really enjoyed the series guys. Hopefully with enough study it will help me one day to make the move from "OK REG" to "SOLID REG." Smile

Posted over 1 year ago

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WiltOnTilt

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For villian - what tendencies for you wilt - where it would be correct for him to check-back AJ?

If you are only bluff catching better hands and turning made hands into a bluff at a balanced fashion - wouldnt checking back AJ be better?



Certainly could be, I'd neeed a good bit of history with a guy (as villain) to know that my opponent would play better than me (with his range) oop on the river when I value bet TPTK. It's not to say that can't happen, it's just more a rarity. I do agree with you though that AJ is definitely toward the bottom (and maybe exactly the bottom) of our value range here against most competent opposition without extra dynamic/history. If you guys have been aggro toward each other then QJ could be a value bet since the oop player should have a fair amount of Tx and potentially underpairs in his range. Without those extra "what ifs" though, AJ would be very close to the bottom of the CO's value range here, so if you want to check that behind because you're afraid of the other guy outplaying you (either by folding too correctly or bluff raising too optimally) then I'm not going to complain too much if you want to check it behind.

Keep in mind it's one of those spots where yes, i can have trips+ there and be calling down but we have to discount combos on each street that doesn't get raised, whereas a hand like KJo probably has every single combo in it etc.

Hope that makes sense.

Driving to north carolina for 14 hours so i probably wont be back in this thread for a day or 2

Posted over 1 year ago

stuartdd

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On the J99TX river, would a small donk bet of about 35-40% pot on the river have some merit? It could get thin value from hands which he may not fire the river with ie AA-QQ,Jx, Tx (maybe). Also his medium strength hands may feel they need to raise vs such a small bet to get more value (with say kq, q8) and possibly commit themselves to a shove. It also leaves the door open for villain to bluff raise.
I can see the donk bet losing some value vs hands like A-Q9,98,97 but otherwise it seems like a plausible option.

Great series, would very much like a HU version Smile

stuartdd

Posted over 1 year ago

ice320

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def would want a heads up version of this

Posted over 1 year ago

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A heads-up version of this would definitely be appreciated! 5 anticipatory stars! Headsuffalooo!



+1 Smile

Posted over 1 year ago

terp

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nice work guys

hope you repeat, with beer or ice cream or otherwise

Posted over 1 year ago

Madfish

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Hey Wilt and JK3A,

Love the series. Was wondering if this idea for a series is one you guys like: a hand or two are presented sans hole cards. Hands must have a river bet or implied bet (check raise that did not happen). Viewers have to decide whether the river bet is made for value, bluff, or merge. Forum can discuss. Next week answers and reasons are given and a new hand or two are offered up.

Posted over 1 year ago

jk3a

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Hey Wilt and JK3A,

Love the series. Was wondering if this idea for a series is one you guys like: a hand or two are presented sans hole cards. Hands must have a river bet or implied bet (check raise that did not happen). Viewers have to decide whether the river bet is made for value, bluff, or merge. Forum can discuss. Next week answers and reasons are given and a new hand or two are offered up.



very interesting idea, will def keep that in mind

Posted over 1 year ago

Prologion

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Time Link to 00:11:45

I like gaycbetting in 4Bet_Pots, but not here.
This is a board where I could imagine to C/F sometimes Air + especially do not give with my air something like AQ almost 5:1 to peel here...
I like gaycbets on boards where I cbet my whole range + Protection is wothless - for instance, Axxr/s, Kxxr/s...

Here I would either bet larger (around 1/2-PS) or C/F, C/Jam depending on my present hand of my overall range in this spot.

Posted over 1 year ago

Prologion

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Why you think he should val.bet here AJ on the river when the Bottom of our C/Callrange is here JT or even Trips?
That blows my mind atm, tbh.

Posted over 1 year ago

jk3a

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Why you think he should val.bet here AJ on the river when the Bottom of our C/Callrange is here JT or even Trips?
That blows my mind atm, tbh.



depends who's c/c range we're talking about

Posted over 1 year ago

Prologion

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depends who's c/c range we're talking about




What I mean is, he is a solid REG, hence he will have an ides what your botoom of your C/Callrange on the river is, in this spot.
When it is (like you have said) JT or even Trips, so why he should val.bet then AJ?

Posted over 1 year ago

jk3a

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What I mean is, he is a solid REG, hence he will have an ides what your botoom of your C/Callrange on the river is, in this spot.
When it is (like you have said) JT or even Trips, so why he should val.bet then AJ?



maybe we misspoke, but what i think we're talking about is that the "bottom" for most people is quite strong especially against that specific BET SIZE.

so if it's thinking reg vs thinking reg you can see how some leveling might get involved and we could hero call QT worse Jx etc because we both know this in theory

Posted over 1 year ago

HoloPainen

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Why is it terrible to ship the flop w Tx in this situation? We have a pair in a huge pot and the turn can bring lots of bad cards thus putting ourselves in a difficult situation. For example a K falls on the turn and he ships we would wonder why wouldn't we just shove our pair on the flop.

Posted about 1 year ago

jk3a

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Why is it terrible to ship the flop w Tx in this situation? We have a pair in a huge pot and the turn can bring lots of bad cards thus putting ourselves in a difficult situation. For example a K falls on the turn and he ships we would wonder why wouldn't we just shove our pair on the flop.



if we assume we ship to protect here, i would argue that there's not much to protect against. mostly a wa/wb if you have Tx. I just don't agree that "the turn can bring LOTS of bad cards."

this is not to suggest that a number of people won't ship with Tx because they're uncomfortable calling for the few times a "bad" turn does hit and/or they just don't know what to do, and even though shipping could be +ev for the few times we b/f the flop or b/hero call as I did, it's not likely to be better than call/call when there are so few turns we're actually worried about

Posted about 1 year ago

HoloPainen

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if we assume we ship to protect here, i would argue that there's not much to protect against. mostly a wa/wb if you have Tx. I just don't agree that "the turn can bring LOTS of bad cards."

this is not to suggest that a number of people won't ship with Tx because they're uncomfortable calling for the few times a "bad" turn does hit and/or they just don't know what to do, and even though shipping could be +ev for the few times we b/f the flop or b/hero call as I did, it's not likely to be better than call/call when there are so few turns we're actually worried about



thanks for the quick answer
btw I love your series, you two guys are the main reason I have a subscr.

Posted about 1 year ago

jk3a

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thanks for the quick answer
btw I love your series, you two guys are the main reason I have a subscr.



If I could give you a free subscription I would Smile

Posted about 1 year ago

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thanks for the quick answer
btw I love your series, you two guys are the main reason I have a subscr.




Thanks man, we really appreciate your support!

WoT

Posted about 1 year ago

shipit123

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Def the best intro out of the series I thought...i actually LOL'd a few times...WoT you are a pretty good story teller...Jk3 you need some work bruh...just sayin

Posted 6 months ago

shipit123

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But all in all great series...both of you guys have good trains of thought and thank you for your efforts!

Posted 6 months ago

jk3a

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Def the best intro out of the series I thought...i actually LOL'd a few times...WoT you are a pretty good story teller...Jk3 you need some work bruh...just sayin



shipit45,

thanks brahsepharoni

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Posted 6 months ago

shipit123

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lol. don't take it personally dude...all i said was you need some work on your story telling abilities...you're obv a good poker player...

Posted 6 months ago

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lol. don't take it personally dude...all i said was you need some work on your story telling abilities...you're obv a good poker player...



lol made my day Heart

Posted 6 months ago



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