Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by WiltOnTilt (Mid Stakes)

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You guys definately have to make the volume of your voices the same.

You guys definately have to make the volume of your voices the same.

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Waw, Im very surprised you checked that river and in my opinion it makes no sence. I would bet 130, and try to let him level himself into calling 99 JJ QQ (which I think he can cc the flop with if he does it with 99ish.
But to make the big bet he obv. has to see you as an aggressive player - which I think he does. If he has got jacks or queens, the only thing he really has to worry about, isn't that the flush? You would probably bet the turn if you had the 10, cause there isn't a lot of 10's in your range?

EDIT: Didnt see he had queens when I posted..

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The ninjas at DC have been made aware of this issue by me and the members several times now. I'm sorry that it's still an issue.

I'm sorry too, our main video guy, Rusty, is away this week on his honeymoon, and I've been doing the video production. He's a lot better than me at editing. I'll ask him to take a look at the audio track when he gets back.

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err which one?

Probably jared because he's one of my favorite producers as well.

In the last hand, do you really think UTG should cbet 88 on the flop? I don't understand what he could get value from. I assume 66 always folds on the flop and most of the draws have 50% equity and it might not be easy to get to showdown against those anyway. There are some hands like 78, but isn't it just too likely someone has you beat in a 5way pot?
Thanks

In the last hand, do you really think UTG should cbet 88 on the flop? I don't understand what he could get value from. I assume 66 always folds on the flop and most of the draws have 50% equity and it might not be easy to get to showdown against those anyway. There are some hands like 78, but isn't it just too likely someone has you beat in a 5way pot?
Thanks

betting 88 is mostly for protection. surely 88 is the best hand often enough to bet. not to mention you could turn it into a bluff later potentially

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I found it kind of surprising you didn't include QQ-AA in his c-c'ing range on the flop. I get the argument that if UTG is going to bet his lower PP's for protection, he should probably bet his overpairs as well, but when it's 5ways, and UTG cbets, his bet just looks so strong, he probably can't expect much worse to call. He probably doesn't cbet air into 4 people, so from his point of view it makes sense to check his entire range (except for lower PP's), and let a late position player take a stab and get a bet that way.

Because even if he cbets AA, and gets a call, it's really hard to know anything about the range that just called your bet, and you're left guessing in a pot twice as big. I'm not saying what he did is correct but I can see where he's coming from. My (perhaps skewed) experience is that when you cbet AA, everybody folds thinking 'eff it, next hand' unless they have a T (T8s,T9s,JTs,QTs,TT,77), or a flush draw, because the cbet just looks like an overpair, and the people calling there with 88, can only call once because they feel their range is faceup anyway as being hands that can only call once anyway so they just give up.

Questions: if you do cbet like 55 or 88, and get a call, do you give up on most turns/rivers (spade/non spade). And how would you play JJ-AA?

I found it kind of surprising you didn't include QQ-AA in his c-c'ing range on the flop. I get the argument that if UTG is going to bet his lower PP's for protection, he should probably bet his overpairs as well, but when it's 5ways, and UTG cbets, his bet just looks so strong, he probably can't expect much worse to call. He probably doesn't cbet air into 4 people, so from his point of view it makes sense to check his entire range (except for lower PP's), and let a late position player take a stab and get a bet that way.

Because even if he cbets AA, and gets a call, it's really hard to know anything about the range that just called your bet, and you're left guessing in a pot twice as big. I'm not saying what he did is correct but I can see where he's coming from. My (perhaps skewed) experience is that when you cbet AA, everybody folds thinking 'eff it, next hand' unless they have a T (T8s,T9s,JTs,QTs,TT,77), or a flush draw, because the cbet just looks like an overpair, and the people calling there with 88, can only call once because they feel their range is faceup anyway as being hands that can only call once anyway so they just give up.

Questions: if you do cbet like 55 or 88, and get a call, do you give up on most turns/rivers (spade/non spade). And how would you play JJ-AA?

I would cbet all those hands. People don't slowplay enough. They let you off the hook too much. Plus should be the best hand quite often and if you check you're not getting to showdown very easily (and have to dodge sooo many cards that will get you bluffed or beaten).

with AA or similar I'd bet the flop and turn and if called vs some I'd bet the river and vs most others I'd c/f depending on which turns and rivers came out and how good I thought my opponent was (might have to c/c river if they turn hands into bluffs, or might value bet river if I think they fastplay too much). Vs most at ssnl and msnl you can simply just bet bet and c/f.

You got to be kidding me, this cant be for real, is it? This nut flush ck back is prolly one of the worst ck back in poker history.

He obviously has AA-88 and will call a bet very often, sure every once in a while you get c/shoved on by a boat but it happens soooooo infrequently compared with the times he calls you.

What's the point of pseudo analyzing ranges for 20 minutes if you come up with a terrible terrible play like this?

The ak flush was obv a bit of a brainfart but other then that i liked the vid, fun to see how you and the fish soulowned eachother

I'm not sure what is best in the 5way hand but it doesnt look that wrong to me to just check your complete range there 5way. Neither does betting your "complete" range looks wrong since the others will play fairly honest..


btw also def get the sound fixed..

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Wow^^

I would have a mental-strategic question:
I guess, it was painful to look at the fish`s stupid bluffhand when you in fact made once in a time Big laydown vs. a fish b/c of special assumptions/instincts in game....

What is your strategy to get focused and calm again during the session?
It is here hard after such a hand to suggest yourself the correct attitude/pokermindset -> so I would interested what so experienced players like you both a doing then, which works for them to continue short after this very annoying situation, focused, calm and especially confident again, expect of kicking or punching vs. something

You got to be kidding me, this cant be for real, is it? This nut flush ck back is prolly one of the worst ck back in poker history.

He obviously has AA-88 and will call a bet very often, sure every once in a while you get c/shoved on by a boat but it happens soooooo infrequently compared with the times he calls you.

What's the point of pseudo analyzing ranges for 20 minutes if you come up with a terrible terrible play like this?

Difficult to know whether the last sentence of your post is serious given your tone. DC generally discourages these types of posts.

The point of analyzing ranges is the same is it is on every other hand we talk about. This particular hand is a great example of a spot where in game I didn't analyze villain's range correctly at all.

Well, I didnt want to sound too harsh or agressive.

It's just I see everybody saying "wow great content" and everything... but I have to say I seriously disagree with the analysis in that hand; and even in previous episodes, I honestly think you are way off on several occasions, makes me wonder if you really play those games sometimes.
Checking back here is a terrible play, but thats ok, we all make mistakes and it can help when we spot them. I also think the whole analysis about this hand is wrong in my opinion and not just the final check.

Wow^^

I would have a mental-strategic question:
I guess, it was painful to look at the fish`s stupid bluffhand when you in fact made once in a time Big laydown vs. a fish b/c of special assumptions/instincts in game....

What is your strategy to get focused and calm again during the session?
It is here hard after such a hand to suggest yourself the correct attitude/pokermindset -> so I would interested what so experienced players like you both a doing then, which works for them to continue short after this very annoying situation, focused, calm and especially confident again, expect of kicking or punching vs. something

aaron is a known mouse slammer

I drop a few f bombs if the run bad gets really bad.

I def do some self talk to try and calm myself/refocus or play "tight" for 10 min or so. Theres lots of good stuff about tilt in the eight fold path.

Well, I didnt want to sound too harsh or agressive.

It's just I see everybody saying "wow great content" and everything... but I have to say I seriously disagree with the analysis in that hand; and even in previous episodes, I honestly think you are way off on several occasions, makes me wonder if you really play those games sometimes.
Checking back here is a terrible play, but thats ok, we all make mistakes and it can help when we spot them. I also think the whole analysis about this hand is wrong in my opinion and not just the final check.

Aaron and I are happy to discuss any hands that you disagree with. Please be more clear with specific examples. Also, try and think of it as a good thing that you don't necessarily agree with what we're saying. That's how we all get better by bridging those gaps.

Well, I didnt want to sound too harsh or agressive.

It's just I see everybody saying "wow great content" and everything... but I have to say I seriously disagree with the analysis in that hand; and even in previous episodes, I honestly think you are way off on several occasions, makes me wonder if you really play those games sometimes.
Checking back here is a terrible play, but thats ok, we all make mistakes and it can help when we spot them. I also think the whole analysis about this hand is wrong in my opinion and not just the final check.

if you find yourself disagreeing with us on the hand analysis often, that's a very good indication you have a lot of work to do and that you should keep watching the series and consider re-watch the previous episodes as well.

Good luck!

just heard the words 'second season' and got a semi ....

WoT can you give some examples of common spots where 6-max TAGS are missing obvious value bets? Thanks!

WoT can you give some examples of common spots where 6-max TAGS are missing obvious value bets? Thanks!

We will get into this some in the next videos, but if you have any specific value situations I'd be happy to comment on them.

In general, like the series has talked about going through all the hands in each range can hopefully open our eyes to spots where we should be getting value where others are not.

Of course though for this particular episode we included some hands that we weren't happy with how we played the hands in game.

This is without a doubt one of the best series DC has ever produced. Well done, gents. Yeah, the audio discrepancies are slightly annoying, but the quality of the content makes up for that thousands of times over.

if you find yourself disagreeing with us on the hand analysis often, that's a very good indication you have a lot of work to do and that you should keep watching the series and consider re-watch the previous episodes as well.

Good luck!

wtf with this comment, just because you make a video for a pokersite dont mean that you hold the truth and people disagreeing are wrong.

Sure I have a lot of work to do, still I could teach both of you quite a few things about midstakes 6-max and how it plays.

I hope it doesnt turn into a dick contest.

but I have to say I seriously disagree with the analysis in that hand; and even in previous episodes, I honestly think you are way off on several occasions,
I also think the whole analysis about this hand is wrong in my opinion and not just the final check.

Dakaj, I don't get it, instead of just 'claiming' analyses of various hands are wrong, why don't you start a discussion? Which hands are you talking about?

DaKaJ,

www.twoplustwo.com is that way -------------------------->

if you find yourself disagreeing with us on the hand analysis often, that's a very good indication you have a lot of work to do and that you should keep watching the series and consider re-watch the previous episodes as well.

Good luck!

I lol'ed hard

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Because so much of his range is a weak overpair (or 88/99), what do you guys think of checking back any potential flush draws? I think if we bet this turn we have to fire through on the river and villain might make a few tough calls with something like 99 or JJ since there aren't all too many T-x/77 combos in our range and there a lot of semi-bluffs we could do this with.

We're unlikely to get a street of value with a FD when we bet the turn and then hit the river but we're very likely to solicit a call by checking back something like QJss on the turn and then betting a spade river because he would expect us to bet our semi-bluffs on the turn.

Because so much of his range is a weak overpair (or 88/99), what do you guys think of checking back any potential flush draws? I think if we bet this turn we have to fire through on the river and villain might make a few tough calls with something like 99 or JJ since there aren't all too many T-x/77 combos in our range and there a lot of semi-bluffs we could do this with.

We're unlikely to get a street of value with a FD when we bet the turn and then hit the river but we're very likely to solicit a call by checking back something like QJss on the turn and then betting a spade river because he would expect us to bet our semi-bluffs on the turn.

if he has 88-QQ betting the turn without intention of bluffing rivers is likely a thin bet, but can never be too bad with all our equity. that said, the best line is likely just bet every street

jersey shore is the stone cold nizzles. oh, good vid too

wtf with this comment, just because you make a video for a pokersite dont mean that you hold the truth and people disagreeing are wrong.

Sure I have a lot of work to do, still I could teach both of you quite a few things about midstakes 6-max and how it plays.

I hope it doesnt turn into a dick contest.

Man I love poker.

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great stuff, but can anybody make video from 5 max playing on ongame ?

great stuff, but can anybody make video from 5 max playing on ongame ?

We are US citizens

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I LOL'ed at.."let's see what would negraneau do..." re. the loose fish's minraising range

dopeness

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Thanks guys. |'m in the coffee shop watching your poker training video, and now everyone in here thinks | watch Jersey Shore.

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In the first hand, I do not understand why it is such an easy call. This is a loose player who is not good, with a VPIP of 45 to 55, so maybe that makes the difference, but you did not say that he was aggressive so if he is loose and passive then it seems like he would not bet the turn with just one spade.

He did not raise the flop, but instead waited to bet the turn, and then bet only 250 into a 425 pot, so maybe that is it. Did you know he did not have the flush because he is unlikely to slowplay it on the flop? If he had raised the flop, or bet bigger on the turn, then would you have given him more credit? And if you knew you were ahead on the turn before he made the small bet, then did you check the turn to induce his bet?

Your read ended up being spot on, but I just don't understand how you did it.

In the first hand, I do not understand why it is such an easy call. This is a loose player who is not good, with a VPIP of 45 to 55, so maybe that makes the difference, but you did not say that he was aggressive so if he is loose and passive then it seems like he would not bet the turn with just one spade.

He did not raise the flop, but instead waited to bet the turn, and then bet only 250 into a 425 pot, so maybe that is it. Did you know he did not have the flush because he is unlikely to slowplay it on the flop? If he had raised the flop, or bet bigger on the turn, then would you have given him more credit? And if you knew you were ahead on the turn before he made the small bet, then did you check the turn to induce his bet?

Your read ended up being spot on, but I just don't understand how you did it.

A few things to consider on this hand. Given how wide his range is pre and on the flop and how unlikely he is to be a good value bettor, we can narrow his turn and river range down to mostly flushes and air and maybe occasionally some sets (the important thing is, never 1 pair). Given how wide his range is and how hard it is to make those hands and how much pure air he will have on this turn and river (remember, he is peeling any single spade for sure), it makes it a call.

If he peels the flop with random like JsTo or similar, he is definitely betting this turn. I think even guys I would consider overall passive, would bet complete air J high or 9 high or whatever here. Given all those combinations of offsuit single spade hands he can have to never fold the flop and likely bet a "scare card" (not really a scare card considering he probably doesn't value bet any 1 pair on this turn and he has tons of combinations of hands that could bluff, and when I cbet and check here, most of my range looks like air...and you dont have to be an expert player to know that.)

ALso keep in mind that even though he will raise his sets and flushes some of the time on the flop, he will slowplay some of them too. The point is any time we can discount some hands, we must keep that in mind.

So we have a situation where on the river he is in a virtual "nuts" or nothing spot, and we can discount some of the "nut" hands after the flop call, the turn bet size , and given how much air he can have from peeling the flop, on the river it makes it a call.

Keep in mind, he doesnt have to be bluffing 100% of the time with his air range for it to be a call and many people will view both the turn and river as scare cards since its so hard for me to have either of them when i check/call the turn. We only have to be good 33% of the time to make it a call and i think we're good here more like 65-70%

Lemme know if you have follow up questions.

Hope that made sense
WoT

On the last hand of the video where jk3a rivers the flush you mentioned that jk3a only bets here with a flush or air. If villain has a pair here he might call if he thinks jk3a has enough air in his range.

This made me think of a play for villain in this spot. If villain would play TT or 77 the same way, checking the river flush card hoping you will bet your air and flushes planning on check-raising the river, would jk3a then fold to a river check raise?

If jk3a would fold to a check raise on the river then what about villain turning his one pair hand into a bluff on the river by check raising? By the river he's not missing much value by checking a monster unless his opponent is a complete vag and checks back the nut flush. So then can villain represent a monster by check raising the river?

c/r 99 would be pretty good against me