Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by sthief09 (Mid Stakes)

Sorry about the wait, but I finally triumphed over the evil computers that didn't want this video to get made.

Hope you guys all agree that it's worth the wait.

Rob

wooooooooooooot! i've been waiting all day for this!

Yayyyyyyyyyy.

getting alot of video sync issues, basically the video just sits there while they keep talking

getting alot of video sync issues, basically the video just sits there while they keep talking

They would pause and/or rewind the video playback while talking during certain hands -- if you can post specific spots where you think the sync is off let me know so I can see if it's normal or if it's something technically wrong with the sync.

Rob

MDM videos are always awesome.

LOL at trying to block out the player's SN. Whenever the tables get moved you can see it.

I haven't watched yet, but if you're going through all the trouble to block out our hero's name, you should be blocking out all the others too. But seriously, who blocks their name? Downloading now.

They would pause and/or rewind the video playback while talking during certain hands -- if you can post specific spots where you think the sync is off let me know so I can see if it's normal or if it's something technically wrong with the sync.

Rob

Yeah, i rewatched it, I think it was just some odd timing and pausing that was just confusing me. Great vid!

LOL@ 56minutes in the video the table he pulls in you didn't block his SN... Hi

I haven't watched yet, but if you're going through all the trouble to block out our hero's name, you should be blocking out all the others too. But seriously, who blocks their name? Downloading now.

Good video BTW.

LOLOLOLOL at easyway777 being a winner! http://www.tableratings.com/overview/easyway777

That guy is an old school drooler with a lot of cash on his hands.

At 34:50ish mdm13 is discussing 3betting versus a BTN open. Mdm13 says he would rather 3bet something like 78s because its not strong enough to call anyhow. Ive heard plenty of other players advocate calling here since the hand plays decently postflop. Can you give your reasons for why the hand isn't strong enough to play OOP?

Also, what is your typical range for calling versus 3betting in BTN vs SB/BB?

Thanks.

This vid is really cluttered and crazy. Also I think if you want your name fuzzed out, then play 2-4 tables and DO NOT MOVE other tables in and out. What do you think will happen when you do that? Between Josh rewinding/fastforwarding and the tables coming on and off its kinda hard to keep up. The spoken instruction is good though.

- Enjoyed it guys, love hearing mdm talk about poker it seems to come so naturally to you man, sthief this is the first vid of yours I've gotten to and I am def gonna seek out more of them!

- I didn't think the pausing/rewinding stuff was as bad as others said, I had no trouble following along, although it would be nice if they announced they were pausing the vid or jumping forward/backwards.

- Name blocking out stuff is kinda silly imo.

I'm pretty tilted that I suggested mdm doing my K4AD video because I concidered him for coaching and now someone else's gets done this way.
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Ok, I lied. I'm just happy to see more mdm stuff.

I think it's pretty douchy to post the name of the dude, why not just PM and have the covering up fixed?
I mean I think it's kinda silly to hide your name as well but if he wants to do that, fine why not?

Hey guys,

Just wanted to address the name blurring. As you well know it's not something we normally do (or even attempt to do, because it's super labor intensive to try to find all instances in a video like this) but there were some technical issues that Josh had the first time around, and the member requested that he be anonymous on this release. For future KFOD videos, we will not provide this option, and I've talked with Josh about why, but given that he had already said "yes" I did my best to make it feasible this time around.

I would appreciate it if you would not post the username of the player in these threads, as if it's feasible, I may try to go back and find spots that the name was not blurred. It's very likely that the video will stay as is because we don't have enough resources to easily reproduce this quickly, but I'd still appreciate it if you guys would limit the amount of "omg hi XXXXXXXX" type posts and stay within the spirit of his request.

thanks,
Rob

video has major sync issues throughout

video has major sync issues throughout

It's not out of sync, but they did fast-forward and rewind a lot and it looks a bit jumpy. Still perfecting this sort of format where two people are sharing pre-recorded video footage together over the Internets, but the content is pretty phenomenal though.

Rob

- Enjoyed it guys, love hearing mdm talk about poker it seems to come so naturally to you man, sthief this is the first vid of yours I've gotten to and I am def gonna seek out more of them!

- I didn't think the pausing/rewinding stuff was as bad as others said, I had no trouble following along, although it would be nice if they announced they were pausing the vid or jumping forward/backwards.

- Name blocking out stuff is kinda silly imo.

I agree on all three points, esp the first. MDM talks about poker so naturally, it's really a CTS/FWF like quality. More MDM vids!

Had a comment about a hand..

32:30 ish: We raise A6o on the button, fishy SB defends and taggy BB defends as well. Flop comes JJ2 two diamonds, and it's checked to us. mdm13 says he checks this flop usually, and I think that's a leak. He cites showdown value as part of the reason why he checks the flop. The thing is, you don't want to induce a bluff here, and it's so rare that this gets checked down all the way and A6o takes it down. The 38 vpip in the SB is going to have a massive range preflop and rarely will have hit anything, and the BB is defending lighter than normal after the fish calls. A lot of his range is not going to have a pair or draw either. When he does call, his range is going to be made of almost all marginal hands leading to a very profitable double barrell on many cards.

Overall pretty nice video, I like when it's two guys talking and feeding off each other. In the future though I'd like if you guys played devils advocate a bit more instead of always agreeing with each other. I noticed mdm disagreed a few times which I like to see, but I would've liked to see stheif challenge different ideas more to get some better discussion flowing.

About the A6o hand.

I doubt you induce very many bluffs here. The bb range is most likely a small/medium pp ... rarely a sc, since most regs would squeeze or fold them. And you won't get any pp to fold on the flop. Also c-betting too often in this spots makes you very exploitable and a good player will notice this and will c/r you here ALOT, especially in this scenario where the tag acts after the fish. Let's say you have a cbet-frequency of like +80%... I'd check raise the hell out of you on this boards and there is pretty much nothing you can do but fold with most of your range.

will have to rewatch this cos it confusing in spots but great subject matter really enjoy hearing two quality players talk poker

hey guys, I'm really sorry that this video is tough to watch. long story, but I offered to hide his screenname without realizing how difficult it would be. he's completely fine with it being shown, so I think we're just going to produce it without all the annoying blur spots.

also, the outlook I had going in was to kind of pick his brain, how Rob did with me in the last episode of last season. there were a couple of spots where I didn't necessarily agree, but I felt like the viewer heard both sides, and we moved on. I won't lie, I don't think I was at my best and he was making tons of great points, so I just let him do his thing.

hopefully the new version will be up tomorrow. thanks for bearing with us.

regarding the A6o hand, I do still think it's a bet. like someone pointed out, the sb can have a lot of hands, and the bb called closing the action with a fish in the pot, so he should have a lot of unpaired hands, and neither looked like the type to c/r bluff. iirc the sb was loose-passive so it's possible he even calls with some worse overcard hands like KQ KJ, and checks it down. there will be a lot of turn cards where I personally wouldn't feel comfortable calling a bet. my biggest reason for betting is simply because we take it down right there a lot of the time, but also partially because it has decent equity against a calling range, and a little bit for hand protection, because we do often have the best hand. it is exploitable to bet every hand, but I don't think we should be betting hands like 87ss that are crushed by a calling range, so I would rather check those and bet Ax. checking might be fundamentally better if you think you can outplay them on the turn, but I don't think it'll be clear-cut if the turn comes a 9 and one of them bets.

OK, gonna answer questions, and I also just finished answering all the questions from my most recent Ghost video so you can take a look at those answers if you have been waiting on them as well.

At 34:50ish mdm13 is discussing 3betting versus a BTN open. Mdm13 says he would rather 3bet something like 78s because its not strong enough to call anyhow. Ive heard plenty of other players advocate calling here since the hand plays decently postflop. Can you give your reasons for why the hand isn't strong enough to play OOP?

Also, what is your typical range for calling versus 3betting in BTN vs SB/BB?

Thanks.

You will be oop in the hand, will have to c/f a lot and risk getting squeezed if you are in the SB and generally just isn't a good spot to call. I would call some broadway card type hands if the opener is loose but folds to a lot of 3bets. I call some midpairs and AT type hands but generally I like to 3bet lots of suited junk and small pairs as well has maybe like KQ+, TT+ for value. This all changes based on opponents obviously.

Had a comment about a hand..

32:30 ish: We raise A6o on the button, fishy SB defends and taggy BB defends as well. Flop comes JJ2 two diamonds, and it's checked to us. mdm13 says he checks this flop usually, and I think that's a leak. He cites showdown value as part of the reason why he checks the flop. The thing is, you don't want to induce a bluff here, and it's so rare that this gets checked down all the way and A6o takes it down. The 38 vpip in the SB is going to have a massive range preflop and rarely will have hit anything, and the BB is defending lighter than normal after the fish calls. A lot of his range is not going to have a pair or draw either. When he does call, his range is going to be made of almost all marginal hands leading to a very profitable double barrell on many cards.

Overall pretty nice video, I like when it's two guys talking and feeding off each other. In the future though I'd like if you guys played devils advocate a bit more instead of always agreeing with each other. I noticed mdm disagreed a few times which I like to see, but I would've liked to see stheif challenge different ideas more to get some better discussion flowing.

It's certainly close to a bet but I don't like betting that flop too often because I think people like to c/r paired boards a fair bit plus the FD out makes it slightly worse to bet as well. If the positions were switched (tag in sb, fish in bb) I would bet. As I was saying, if there's some portion of my range I want to check here it's a hand like this because I think given that its multiway you do get to showdown sometimes and will sometimes be good. The point about double barreling is true though.

Party Poker $200.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

CO: $200.00
Hero (BTN): $255.00
SB: $235.75
BB: $172.75
UTG: $200.00
MP: $248.05

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN with 3 A
1 fold, MP raises to $7, 1 fold, Hero calls $7, 2 folds

Flop: ($17.00) J 6 K (2 players)
MP bets $12.00, Hero raises to $45, MP folds

Final Pot: $41.00
Hero wins $38.95
(Rake: $2.05)

I play bad?

Hero is Chemlab187 , MP is star of video

About the A6o hand.

I doubt you induce very many bluffs here. The bb range is most likely a small/medium pp ... rarely a sc, since most regs would squeeze or fold them. And you won't get any pp to fold on the flop. Also c-betting too often in this spots makes you very exploitable and a good player will notice this and will c/r you here ALOT, especially in this scenario where the tag acts after the fish. Let's say you have a cbet-frequency of like +80%... I'd check raise the hell out of you on this boards and there is pretty much nothing you can do but fold with most of your range.

It's 1/2 nl, worrying about being exploited is silly. Sure sometimes you'll get c/r bluffed, but not that often. We don't even have the knowledge that villain is a "good" player, all we know is that he is taggy. If you're checking because you don't want to get checkraised then what exactly is your betting range on this flop? Surely you're not betting 77 with that same logic? I guess you're only betting overpairs, trips, and flush draws? I'm all for checking flops sometimes, but only betting when you can withstand a c/r is well.. exploitable. If you feel like villain is apt to c/r often in this spot then by all means check, but we don't have that info. Besides, people who c/r flops too much are also exploitable in the same way people who c-bet too often are exploitable. I definitely will 3bet this flop sometimes against somebody who checkraises too often, especially on a board like this where their range is so polarized. Some players who c-bet too often will let you get away with checkraising a ton here, but I'm not one of those players who will lay down every time I'm played back at when I don't have much.

It's 1/2 nl, worrying about being exploited is silly. Sure sometimes you'll get c/r bluffed, but not that often. We don't even have the knowledge that villain is a "good" player, all we know is that he is taggy. If you're checking because you don't want to get checkraised then what exactly is your betting range on this flop? Surely you're not betting 77 with that same logic? I guess you're only betting overpairs, trips, and flush draws? I'm all for checking flops sometimes, but only betting when you can withstand a c/r is well.. exploitable. If you feel like villain is apt to c/r often in this spot then by all means check, but we don't have that info. Besides, people who c/r flops too much are also exploitable in the same way people who c-bet too often are exploitable. I definitely will 3bet this flop sometimes against somebody who checkraises too often, especially on a board like this where their range is so polarized. Some players who c-bet too often will let you get away with checkraising a ton here, but I'm not one of those players who will lay down every time I'm played back at when I don't have much.

There is value in betting 77, not everything is about the checkraising range, the calling range is important as well and with A6 you neither fold out better or get called by worse which probably makes it the best part of my range to check. What I'm saying is that I bet a lot on this flop and to prevent it from being too much I like to check sometimes and this is the part of my range I'd like to check with and a situation where I think it's decent to do so. I agree that at this level I get checkraised less frequently than at a higher level but that I don't feel like betting this flop/situation 100% of the time is best so I would rather bet this flop in this situation with both 77 and 56o, but not A6 or 32s.

Party Poker $200.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

CO: $200.00
Hero (BTN): $255.00
SB: $235.75
BB: $172.75
UTG: $200.00
MP: $248.05

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN with 3 A
1 fold, MP raises to $7, 1 fold, Hero calls $7, 2 folds

Flop: ($17.00) J 6 K (2 players)
MP bets $12.00, Hero raises to $45, MP folds

Final Pot: $41.00
Hero wins $38.95
(Rake: $2.05)

I play bad?

Hero is Chemlab187 , MP is star of video

OOps forgot to mention this happens at 26:30 in video

Not sure what you are asking... raising the NFD there is obviously standard. I would fold/3bet pre though, but I know a lot of people don't, so meh.

There is value in betting 77, not everything is about the checkraising range, the calling range is important as well and with A6 you neither fold out better or get called by worse which probably makes it the best part of my range to check. What I'm saying is that I bet a lot on this flop and to prevent it from being too much I like to check sometimes and this is the part of my range I'd like to check with and a situation where I think it's decent to do so. I agree that at this level I get checkraised less frequently than at a higher level but that I don't feel like betting this flop/situation 100% of the time is best so I would rather bet this flop in this situation with both 77 and 56o, but not A6 or 32s.

While that's true, if you're getting checkraised enough with A6o for it to be an unprofitable bet then checking would almost certainly be better than betting with 77, too. Besides, as I alluded to getting called with A6o leads to a lot of profitable double barrell opportunities. If you're just going to bet the flop and shut down I'd rather check than bet, but betting the flop with the intention of barreling many turns > checking the flop, imo.

Hey guys,

Just wanted you to know that we posted a new version of this without the blurring. I think it makes it a bit more watchable, even though I didn't have any problems watching the old one personally. Thanks for the comments.

Rob