Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by inavacuum (Micro/Small Stakes)

Time Link to 00:39:20

I have a hard time believing most fishy players would vbet a T on the river when we check the turn back on a Q63 T Q board. True, our range doesn't include any tens, but he doesn't know that. All he knows is he has a T and there is 1 T and 2 Q's on the board. Is the typical LP really betting here (perhaps thinking he improved to 2 pair)? I sometimes have a hard time thinking like a fish, but one thing I don't see very often is fish turning made hands into bluffs...then again, they don't know what vbetting is, so maybe they just think-ha, he checked, I have a made hand, I should bet now! IF this is the case, wouldn't that same thought occur if they have A6, 77 or other made hands we beat (which also has 2 pair on the river)?

Can you illuminate the thought process of the LP when they "improve" to 2 pair on the river here? What makes them bet Tx but not 6x?

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Time Link to 00:37:11

Another good ep. Is 8 the last one? I hope not. You mentioned something about calling 4bets, I'd like to see more on that if you have any hands where you did.


Here, I was wondering about betting the turn. None of the draws he has hit a pair on the T. He is likely to call again with whatever he called on the flop since the T isn't scary in any way he's paying attention to. It definitely strikes me as a two street hand, so I don't know if it makes much difference, but it gives him a chance to put more in on the draw part of his range. Also, you say he's only paying attention to his own cards on the turn, but that on the river he thinks we never have a Q, which is a reason for him to bet a T. Other than some random flop peel for no reason, does he have a T? Seems like he'll either value bet or not based on our check more than the card on the river.

I have a hard time believing most fishy players would vbet a T on the river when we check the turn back on a Q63 T Q board. True, our range doesn't include any tens, but he doesn't know that. All he knows is he has a T and there is 1 T and 2 Q's on the board. Is the typical LP really betting here (perhaps thinking he improved to 2 pair)? I sometimes have a hard time thinking like a fish, but one thing I don't see very often is fish turning made hands into bluffs...then again, they don't know what vbetting is, so maybe they just think-ha, he checked, I have a made hand, I should bet now! IF this is the case, wouldn't that same thought occur if they have A6, 77 or other made hands we beat (which also has 2 pair on the river)?

Can you illuminate the thought process of the LP when they "improve" to 2 pair on the river here? What makes them bet Tx but not 6x?

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It's hard to think like a fish because fish do things that are fishy but not in any kind of rational way (as opposed to a regfish). A fish could easily bet the river here with a weak made hand worse than Tx without really understanding why they are doing it. For example, it wouldn't surprise me if certain types of fish bet the river holding something like 55. I see it happen a lot. Often I don't know if they are bluffing or not. I don't think they do either. What I see more often is a fish having very little ability to know when it's a good time to value bet and over estimating how often the other player in the hand will bluff the river (because they don't easily distinguish between good and bad villains because they don't know what would constiute a good or bad bluff in many of these spots), leaving them bluff catching with the 6x strength hands.

Another good ep. Is 8 the last one? I hope not. You mentioned something about calling 4bets, I'd like to see more on that if you have any hands where you did.


Here, I was wondering about betting the turn. None of the draws he has hit a pair on the T. He is likely to call again with whatever he called on the flop since the T isn't scary in any way he's paying attention to. It definitely strikes me as a two street hand, so I don't know if it makes much difference, but it gives him a chance to put more in on the draw part of his range. Also, you say he's only paying attention to his own cards on the turn, but that on the river he thinks we never have a Q, which is a reason for him to bet a T. Other than some random flop peel for no reason, does he have a T? Seems like he'll either value bet or not based on our check more than the card on the river.

I've gone into some detail regarding this hand in my previous post, so please also look there. I agree with you about it being a two street value hand - which is what we got. I also agree with you regarding his value bet frequency on the river. Have you considered his bluffing frequency once we check the turn?

There are two more episodes to come. Episode 9 is delayed by a week. Thank you and I am glad you are enjoying the series.

Time Link to 00:25:54

So on the AKo hand if we bet the turn $15, that leaves $46 in the pot and $70 behind. What bet size do you like on this river? Are you still bet folding? Would you overbet shove or bet small on a blank river?

So on the AKo hand if we bet the turn $15, that leaves $46 in the pot and $70 behind. What bet size do you like on this river? Are you still bet folding? Would you overbet shove or bet small on a blank river?

We're still bet/folding. We're betting small.

Time Link to 00:39:24

If you think he calls with a six on the river don't you think he calls with it on the turn as well?

+ you might get some extra value from when he calls two streets with his 25 if he is the type of fish who would do that. I see at lot of middle pairs squeeking threw here when you're playing fish

If you think he calls with a six on the river don't you think he calls with it on the turn as well?

No, the two spots are completely different. When we bet the turn we're repping a range of very strong hands (relatively speaking) and bluffs. When we don't bet the turn but we do bet the river we're repping a range of weak made hands and bluffs. This is more favourable to our aims. We also give his floats/weak made hands a chance to bluff at the river.

No, the two spots are completely different. When we bet the turn we're repping a range of very strong hands (relatively speaking) and bluffs. When we don't bet the turn but we do bet the river we're repping a range of weak made hands and bluffs. This is more favourable to our aims. We also give his floats/weak made hands a chance to bluff at the river.

And you give him a chance to suck out on you when you give the free card. + Does he really care about what we're repping? If he's a fish wouldn't he be thinking about his two cards and how many streets he can call with them. And if he calls flop+turn or flop+river it's still only two bets so does he really care? I guess he's a fish with a high af then if you think he will bluff the river, and not one of those passive fishes

And you give him a chance to suck out on you when you give the free card. + Does he really care about what we're repping? If he's a fish wouldn't he be thinking about his two cards and how many streets he can call with them. And if he calls flop+turn or flop+river it's still only two bets so does he really care? I guess he's a fish with a high af then since you think he could bluff the river, and not one of those passive fishes

Time Link to 00:14:25

What about balance and the fact that we are expected to cbet 100% of our air here?
I know I care way too much about what I rep though, just wondering what you guys think.

What about balance and the fact that we are expected to cbet 100% of our air here?
I know I care way too much about what I rep though, just wondering what you guys think.

This really is only important vs players you play with a huge amount each day. Also realise that if you have zero history with someone, you don't have to start out with a balanced strategy. Take the line you think will earn you the most money and if you think they will note your actions, note what you did vs that player and adjust up from there.

This really is only important vs players you play with a huge amount each day. Also realise that if you have zero history with someone, you don't have to start out with a balanced strategy. Take the line you think will earn you the most money and if you think they will note your actions, note what you did vs that player and adjust up from there.

Hell yeah!

That's what I needed to hear. I watched all WoT's vids and everything but I always have the tendency to balance with regs when we have just 300 hands against each other I guess I will stop repping stuff so vigorously and care about my range and just use best lines against their likely holdings ;o

I'd give a reg credit to know that other regs (me) will always cbet this flop with air, maybe all people aren't Phil Galfonds playing SSNL xD

Time Link to 00:35:18

If villain checkcalls this flop, are we barrelling diamonds & a 5 or checking back everything? We would only have a PSB left on river, would it be a jam?

If villain checkcalls this flop, are we barrelling diamonds & a 5 or checking back everything? We would only have a PSB left on river, would it be a jam?

It would depend which diamond. If we work on the premise that we have no relevant read then I prefer betting the big diamonds and checking back the small ones. It's super unlikely he folds his TT/88 or whatever when the turn is 7d but far more likely when it's Kd. This would work less well if our opponent can hand read well, which he probably can't, such that when it's a small diamond or a brick, the fold equity is so small that we're better off taking the free card than trying to leverage that low/no FE. If the stack to pot ratio is different and we didn't start out this deep then we'll often be in a situation where we want to shove a lot of turns.