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From the Ground Up: Episode Three

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From the Ground Up: Episode Three by tubasteve, n0whereman

Tubasteve and n0whereman continue our education of micro stakes no limit with this third installment. Topics move on to how to deal with different flops and bet sizing on the flop itself.

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Primer to online shorthanded No Limit play from n0whereman and tubasteve. Everything you need to know to get started playing and winning in aggressive games. Learn your NL ABCs from our top small stakes No Limit Holdem' instructors.

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  • Posted over 3 years ago

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Comments for From the Ground Up: Episode Three

SeanButton

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Lann555

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Have been waiting for this all week! Continuation betting is one of the weak aspects of my game, so am gonne watch it immideatly! Smile

Posted almost 4 years ago

nakke

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2-tabling for the next video sounds fine.
Btw, I'm having some issues with oesfds and other huge draws that don't go allin on the flop and miss on the turn, could you please try to get lots of those in the live play video? Wink

Posted almost 4 years ago

shyturtle27

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Solid video. Nice to see some hand examples. Two tabling for the fourth video is fine, but I like what DJ Sensei did in one of his FR vids where the video was one table, but when he clicked another table he was playing the focus changed to it. This would be nice as you could play two tables while still making the video ipod friendly.

Posted almost 4 years ago

ken aces

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please add ipod version ASAP - thanks

Posted almost 4 years ago

lastcardcharlie

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Very interesting. Particularly the concept of calling ranges clarifies a lot. I vote two tables next episode. Also I'd really like to see a video similar to this on donking because I am very confused on this topic. Even if you don't make that video, any links to what sort of general themes I should be thinking about when it comes to donking would be appreciated. Tx for making this series.

Posted almost 4 years ago

sudic

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Great videos.

Would you state the suit of the cards (board and yours).
I don't know your colors and the cards are so small I can't make out the suit.

Also those Uncovered Topics - Flop Play 2 may be a lot more important to us than you think.

I constantly find myself in those positions where opponent are doing those type of things because they get mixed up.

I mean like the monotone board and opponent donked into you.

I raised and he folded, so he was trying to steal.

That happens alot down in the NL$25 and $50 level.

I vote for 1 or 2 boards at the max.

I love this series, I'm taking notes and everythang.
!

Posted almost 4 years ago

xerocat

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Probably the best video I've seen on DC to date. Amazing content. The way you guys broke down cbetting in an extremely detailed manner is something I got a ton of value from and is the kind of content that, I feel, improves my play the most from a video. It's just very focused and I'm able to continue to think about the concept that was talked about well after watching. A+, I really appreciate the time and thought that was put into this.

Posted almost 4 years ago

udownwithvpp

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Great analysis. I like how you go through villain's thought process, and you discuss some different scenarios for the same hand in the replayer.

Posted almost 4 years ago

xerocat

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Also, as asked at the end of the video about flop concepts, I wouldn't mind hearing an extension on when to 2nd barrel the turn. What flops offer good 2nd barrel potential if the right turn card hits, what cards you're looking for to 2nd barrel particular flops, and what players are best and worst to do that against. Also, and I don't know if this really applies to what you were asking or not, but I'd be interested in hearing you touch on:

a) situations (flops/player) to pot control the flop with a made hand like TPTK and when to pot control the turn instead.

b) pot controlling the turn vs value betting the flop and turn

Posted almost 4 years ago

tubasteve

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if you guys find HHs with the spots youre asking about then we'll definitely take a look at including them in a future vid

Posted almost 4 years ago

ken aces

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thanks for adding the ipod version - DC rocks!

Posted almost 4 years ago

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I havent watched this fully but i think you's are giving us everything we need to beat the games. Season started very slow but its becoming really very good. Good job

Posted almost 4 years ago

cobby

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Also, as asked at the end of the video about flop concepts, I wouldn't mind hearing an extension on when to 2nd barrel the turn. What flops offer good 2nd barrel potential if the right turn card hits, what cards you're looking for to 2nd barrel particular flops, and what players are best and worst to do that against. Also, and I don't know if this really applies to what you were asking or not, but I'd be interested in hearing you touch on:

a) situations (flops/player) to pot control the flop with a made hand like TPTK and when to pot control the turn instead.

b) pot controlling the turn vs value betting the flop and turn


absolutely 2#

Posted almost 4 years ago

cobby

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great video, nowhereman was cutting off in the middle of tubasteves thoughts a bit much i thought
he asks tuba a questions 2 seconds in boom nowhereman takes over asking his own question while tuba is speaking
besides that great stuff

Posted almost 4 years ago

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great video, nowhereman was cutting off in the middle of tubasteves thoughts a bit much i thought he asks tuba a questions 2 seconds in boom nowhereman takes over asking his own question while tuba is speaking besides that great stuff



There's definitely a little choreography / scripting issue that has run through this series so far with the guys talking over each other. I've not noticed if TS or NWM offends most, probably because I'm not really too bothered about it...as long as they agree with each other and I can understand what they're saying! I just put it down to two guys bursting to get the message across in a confined space of time.

We should be grateful for that right? Better than cranking out another un-themed series of "yeah its me again, like erm, recording myself doing what I do 8 hours a day every day".

On another, but slightly related, note, for me the liveplay vid (#4...just realised I've posted against the wrong bleeding episode) was the weakest of the series so far. It felt like unnecessary series padding. Anyway I don't want to sound (any more than I already have done) like an ungrateful dickhead. Overall a very good series and I'm looking forward to a strong return to form next time round...even if the guys trip each other up a bit.

Posted almost 4 years ago

n0whereman

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great video, nowhereman was cutting off in the middle of tubasteves thoughts a bit much i thought
he asks tuba a questions 2 seconds in boom nowhereman takes over asking his own question while tuba is speaking





Really? I'll have to watch again and see. If so I definitely apologize and will try not to cut down in the future - maybe I just get overexcited Smile

besides that great stuff



tyty hope you like the rest!

Posted almost 4 years ago

n0whereman

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There's definitely a little choreography / scripting issue that has run through this series so far with the guys talking over each other. I've not noticed if TS or NWM offends most, probably because I'm not really too bothered about it...as long as they agree with each other and I can understand what they're saying! I just put it down to two guys bursting to get the message across in a confined space of time.



Just for clarification, there really isn't that much scripting going on in any of our videos outside of the powerpoint slides. We made a conscious decision to not do things that way, since we felt there'd be better discussion if we just laid out the framework for each video and then sort of had a conversation about each topic. One side-effect of this appears to be us interrupting each other sometimes, but as gregster said, hopefully that's interpreted as both of us being enthusiastic about work as opposed to poor choreography. That said, I'm sure Steve and I will get better at this as we make continue with the series.

We should be grateful for that right? Better than cranking out another un-themed series of "yeah its me again, like erm, recording myself doing what I do 8 hours a day every day".



That's the idea at least! We thought that this format would pack a lot more educational material into each video than simple sweat sessions. That said...

On another, but slightly related, note, for me the liveplay vid (#4...just realised I've posted against the wrong bleeding episode) was the weakest of the series so far. It felt like unnecessary series padding.



We did think it would be useful to sort of put our style to the test, and possibly more importantly (at least in terms of growing beyond our series), sow the first seeds of deviation from our initial style to a more open and active game. There will be another episode (the last one) that will be in this format, but the rest will be like the first 3. We definitely aren't trying to pad the series with live play vids; I'd say it's apparent we could talk about this stuff forever Poke Tongue


Anyway I don't want to sound (any more than I already have done) like an ungrateful dickhead. Overall a very good series and I'm looking forward to a strong return to form next time round...even if the guys trip each other up a bit.



You don't sound mean/ungrateful at all. Trust me, if this is the harshest criticism our series receives, I'll be ecstatic Smile Thanks again for your (and everyone else's) comments/criticisms, and hopefully you enjoy the rest of the series!

Posted almost 4 years ago

tubasteve

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There's definitely a little choreography / scripting issue that has run through this series so far with the guys talking over each other. I've not noticed if TS or NWM offends most, probably because I'm not really too bothered about it...as long as they agree with each other and I can understand what they're saying! I just put it down to two guys bursting to get the message across in a confined space of time.

We should be grateful for that right? Better than cranking out another un-themed series of "yeah its me again, like erm, recording myself doing what I do 8 hours a day every day".

On another, but slightly related, note, for me the liveplay vid (#4...just realised I've posted against the wrong bleeding episode) was the weakest of the series so far. It felt like unnecessary series padding. Anyway I don't want to sound (any more than I already have done) like an ungrateful dickhead. Overall a very good series and I'm looking forward to a strong return to form next time round...even if the guys trip each other up a bit.




can you post in the thread for episode 4 about what you didnt like specifically?
thanks Smile

Posted almost 4 years ago

Ulkis

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I haven't seen as thorough look into flop textures and/re cbetting, ever, in any of the DC videos or 2+2 threads. Top5 for sure!

Posted almost 4 years ago

AMT

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no one, and I mean, NO ONE cuts off tubasteve except for me!!!!!!!11111


jk it's fine (he's kind of a n00b).


great vid imo.

Posted almost 4 years ago

bigP

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Very Nice Vid. I think this is where many of us can improve on where we don't flop a hand but are deciding to c-bet. I never really used to consider board texture to often when 3-betting especially HU. I think I gained alot from this vid.

NH

Posted almost 4 years ago

gravessen

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HI... very nice video.
I would like to see a video where you have top pair tpk and face raises on flop.. is that possible?

Posted almost 4 years ago

lilflippa24s

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can anybody please tell me which software they are using in the video that tells all of the stats about the other players on the table? VPIP, etc...
thanks!

Posted over 3 years ago

tubasteve

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can anybody please tell me which software they are using in the video that tells all of the stats about the other players on the table? VPIP, etc...
thanks!



holdem manager

Posted over 3 years ago

Deusdeorum

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My First post here Smile
Thanks alot for the Series guys. Awesome work. I just watched the first 3 vids (one per day is enough, with all the informations to gather) and am pretty excited about the rest. Tubasteve great job. I have also been a Fan of Baby Steps.
well anyway, enough nice words Grin (dont know the english expression)

2 questions:
Cbet: I do not have a HH since it didnt happen to me but:

Hero (BB) ($25.45)
UTG ($9.60)
MP ($22.75)
Button ($4.20)
SB ($13.80)

Preflop: Hero is BB with AhKc
UTG calls $0.25, MP raises to $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, MP calls $3

Flop: ($8.35)3h9s3s (2 players)
Hero bets $6, MP raises to $12, Hero folds

Villain is 19/12/1.7, 229 Hands (Vpip/PFR/AF)

Is this really a good spot for a cbet? My first impression was yes. He surley won`t lay down any PP here (he shouldn`t). Can we really bring him to fold broadway cards here? Just think would be a strange Preflop Call then.

2nd:
Tubasteve: The Skin u`re using for HM is so way better then the standard one. Is it downloadble anywhere?
Thx in adv.

Posted over 3 years ago

fishtastic

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This video is SO GOOD. Thanks, tubesteve and n0whereman.

Posted over 3 years ago

$tudlani

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This video is SO GOOD. Thanks, tubesteve and n0whereman.



I second that!!

Posted over 3 years ago

hooni

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I second that!!



third, plus what i have to point out, because it was really good, is that the explanations were really, really good especially the why questions and answers helped me much!

Posted over 3 years ago

MadraMor

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Excellent stuff! I'm on my third viewing of this and still getting aha moments Smile thanks.

Posted about 3 years ago

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I want to thank TS and NWM for this video. Im new to DC and i've had the chance to check out a few other sites, with regards to their content on small stakes.DC is the first of the (Top) three sites that really tries to break down small stakes to their subscribers in a way that builds their game "from the ground up", and its so well organized! LOL i guess this might sound noobish or whatever but i've been looking for content like this for a long time guys, even the DC community has good things to add to the experience.The coaches on this episode(and the series for that matter) are very thorough, personally i didn't find anything wrong with them talking over each other a bit......two real good coaches among many i hope, finally i've wasted enough $$.....THANK YOOOUUUUSpade

Posted almost 3 years ago

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Time Link to 01:17:50

Hey,

I have a few questions about this hand.

What would be your line if you cbet with A6s and get check-raised?

What you do if OP calls cbet and turn brigs, OP checks to you again. Do you 2nd barrel with a flush draw or take a free card?

p.s. a great video.

Posted over 2 years ago

Bean Box

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You two guys work well together - I like the way you kept asking each other questions.
Great overview of general flop structures. Great section on C-betting. I am on my 4th page of notes for the series =)
Thank you!

Posted about 2 years ago

spoonder

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Man i like this serie alotSmile Im a tournament player. So i never played cash.
This go a lot deeper than regular sng strategy. Playing in position,board texture etc. This must help me also for tournaments.

1 question about grinding. Bones told at a podcast that grinding up a bankroll with cash. A lot easyer is than with tournaments. Can someone please explane why this is.

For example i am playing 27 mans $6.5 turbo 6 mutitabling avg duration is about 40min. That means if im grinding with a roi of 15% im making. About 9 bucks a hour.

I am realy a nub op cash. But i heard that if you play cash. Your profit is about 1 bb/hour. So i realy dont understand how its possible to grind more money with cash.

My idea was that i need a mutch bigger bankroll, than i need at sng's

Posted about 2 years ago

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when i download this video using the "download full MP4 video" link the file i get has no video, just audio. tried to re-download, same thing. this does not happen with the WMV file and i dont have this issue with any other videos on DC.

Posted about 2 years ago

gamer078

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Time Link to 00:45:49

Question on the hand where Tubasteve C-bets into two-tone A-2-3. I understand why a C-bet bluff is the right move, but the bet amount is increased because it is two-toned, which I do not understand. I would think a loose player or any player would continue if on the flush draw whether the bet was sized at 1/2 pot or 3/4 pot. Maybe to push off back door draws? If we had a hand, then I understand why we would bet more. Someone please explain this, thanks.

Posted almost 2 years ago

trickybob

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This is great.
Some fantastic info on flop texture/play.

Posted over 1 year ago

Yurao

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Time Link to 00:27:17

When the flop is so dry like this one, will you cbet a made set? (Considering the fact that this player will very often fold...

Posted over 1 year ago

stanmore

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If you don't you're going to have severe problems both building a pot, and balancing (if balance is a factor vs your villain.)

It's going to be pretty villain dependent. Like do they tend to fire turns if you check back flops? Coz that's a decent way of extracting something from their nothing range...

But if you're going to check back a flop like this with a v-strong hand... I dunno... consider minbetting instead or something. Anything to maximise value against their whole range.

Posted over 1 year ago

tubasteve

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there's no harm in checking back sometimes on a really dry board, especially if you think your opponent will fire at the pot. against unknowns that are likely to be stations, however, i'll usually just bet. mixing it up like this is more effective villains that are aggro but dont really play back at cbets.

Posted over 1 year ago

maydayncs

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great video, nowhereman was cutting off in the middle of tubasteves thoughts a bit much i thought
he asks tuba a questions 2 seconds in boom nowhereman takes over asking his own question while tuba is speaking
besides that great stuff



I actually enjoy it that way, it gives multiple perspectives on how a hand is played. That way we understand that there's multiple ways to play a hand correctly, and multiple ways to play it incorrectly

Posted over 1 year ago

maydayncs

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So far a great series by the way. I've been playing poker for a little over a year. I've read a few books (Most of them ones the series says not to lol), and going back to a more basic series, I actually can see so many huge leaks that have been engraved in my play. Just from the first three episodes I've at least curbed my play style from slight loser to break even or even slightly winning a little. Can't wait to see the rest of the series, and then probably rewatch lol

Posted over 1 year ago

tubasteve

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I actually enjoy it that way, it gives multiple perspectives on how a hand is played. That way we understand that there's multiple ways to play a hand correctly, and multiple ways to play it incorrectly



i certainly didnt mind Smile

Posted over 1 year ago

tubasteve

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So far a great series by the way. I've been playing poker for a little over a year. I've read a few books (Most of them ones the series says not to lol), and going back to a more basic series, I actually can see so many huge leaks that have been engraved in my play. Just from the first three episodes I've at least curbed my play style from slight loser to break even or even slightly winning a little. Can't wait to see the rest of the series, and then probably rewatch lol



thanks!

Posted over 1 year ago

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Very Good Video


me gustaria en espa;ol

Posted over 1 year ago

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Time Link to 01:27:39

If you flop the flush are you ever checking behind this player because hes so likely to fold to a bet and then if another spade doesn't come on the turn trying to build it from there? and if you had one spade say the king but were oop against a more aggressive player how would you play it?

Posted about 1 year ago

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To Admin:

when i download this video using the "download full MP4 video" link the file i get has no video, just audio. tried to re-download, same thing. this does not happen with the WMV file and i dont have this issue with any other videos on DC.



I have had this problem repeatedly on DC and am having the same problem with this video, as well as the first video in the "From the Ground Up" series so far.

These videos only play the audio when downloaded in mp4 format and opened with windows media player or winamp. Often they work with quicktime but there are still problems. The deuces cracked sequence is only audio and the video begins at the start of the series-specific animations for example. This is common among many DC videos but hasn't affected the content yet in my experience. Unfortunately "From the Ground Up" episode 3 freezes (audio continues) at about 17 minutes before the transition to the cbetting slide.

It would seem that the files may just be getting corrupted in conversion or upload and a fix would be as simple as converting the wmv file to mp4 and reuploading it (so anybody with access privileges can probably do it without the archived file).

Please let me know if there is any information or are developments regarding this issue, thanks.

Posted 10 months ago

foobar83

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To Admin:



I have had this problem repeatedly on DC and am having the same problem with this video, as well as the first video in the "From the Ground Up" series so far.

These videos only play the audio when downloaded in mp4 format and opened with windows media player or winamp. Often they work with quicktime but there are still problems. The deuces cracked sequence is only audio and the video begins at the start of the series-specific animations for example. This is common among many DC videos but hasn't affected the content yet in my experience. Unfortunately "From the Ground Up" episode 3 freezes (audio continues) at about 17 minutes before the transition to the cbetting slide.

It would seem that the files may just be getting corrupted in conversion or upload and a fix would be as simple as converting the wmv file to mp4 and reuploading it (so anybody with access privileges can probably do it without the archived file).

Please let me know if there is any information or are developments regarding this issue, thanks.



Try using VLC player. I used to have a lot of issues with the views on this site, but they all work fine using this.

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

Posted 10 months ago

can'twin

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Try using VLC player. I used to have a lot of issues with the views on this site, but they all work fine using this.

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/




Excellent it works, thanks! Strange.

Not only that, but it has a handy fast forward with audio feature! I've been looking for something like this...

Posted 10 months ago

stanmore

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Excellent it works, thanks! Strange.

Not only that, but it has a handy fast forward with audio feature! I've been looking for something like this...



VLCFTW

Posted 10 months ago

minimalist

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Is there a "standard" play when you flop the nut flush draw (but don't flop a pair) as the PF aggressor, and your flop cbet and turn bet are called, but then you miss the flush when the river comes? I understand it is very player dependent, but how would you play it, say, in a HU situation vs somewhat of a station? Do you usually give up? Or will a bomb on the river be effective most of the time to get a player off a likely TPWK?

Posted 8 months ago

Joza

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Time Link to 00:10:48

I would like to ask why do you think that board being two-toned has any significance vs one opponent? Even a fish plays max 50% suited hands and the propability that its the same suit as one on board is less than 1/4, I would guess 20%. That means he's gonna have flush draw less than 10% of time and otherwise the board just looks more scary to him.

Posted 5 months ago

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Time Link to 00:23:38

Question: If for some reason the situation was reversed, we check the flop to villain who's on the BTN, would we fold this? or call. Forget why we would be in the pot with this kind of hand.

Posted about 1 month ago

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Time Link to 00:21:32

Your principle was actually 4x+1 per limper! I've been taking this principle semi-seriously because I used to do 3x+1. Should I adjust?

Posted 29 days ago



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