Poker Video: Pot-Limit Omaha by MagicNinja (Mid Stakes)

Great vid as usual

Just wanted to comment on the problem of taking notes. It is most likely due to Holdem Manager and not Camtasia, because I have had the same problem and always have to make FT notes outside the table when HM hud is running.

Thanks for the vid

TGIF! Nice vid. Interesting check back on the 68TJhh board with TTQK.

may i ask, why is this guy an istructor
http://www.pokertableratings.com/fulltilt-player-search/thetaker

http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/alexeimartov

http://www.pokertableratings.com/stars-player-search/alexeimartov

who is that

magicninja (yes im aware of his fulltilt PTR)

also, should we fire these guys too?
http://www.pokertableratings.com/fulltilt-player-search/pr1nnyraid
http://www.pokertableratings.com/fulltilt-player-search/ansky451
http://www.pokertableratings.com/fulltilt-player-search/fslexcduck

/sarcasm

magicninja (yes im aware of his fulltilt PTR)

also, should we fire these guys too?
http://www.pokertableratings.com/fulltilt-player-search/pr1nnyraid
http://www.pokertableratings.com/fulltilt-player-search/ansky451
http://www.pokertableratings.com/fulltilt-player-search/fslexcduck

/sarcasm

we should keep ansky and fslexduck atleast they have postitive win rate just ran bad at high stakes....

i dont understand how do those ppl still have $ .......if they keep losing must have rich parents or something

Don't feed the troll

awesome series

Ninja, I had Q-high flush in that hand when you had K-high flush in 3b pot. What do you think of my play? Should I call the river or maybe even fold the turn?

Now i think i should either fold or shove the turn. If i shove i still lose whole stack to the nuts, but sometimes i fold out second nuts. Calling turn and folding river is probably the worst option.

I agree that calling turn and folding river is probably the worst option, but I'm not sure about check-shoving the turn. You basically only get it in with 0% equity when he has the nuts (assuming sets are folding since he's not getting right odds to call), and you're really only trying to fold out one hand.

I think either folding the turn or calling both streets might be better than check-shoving the turn. Thoughts?

By the way, this hand comes up at minute 8.00 if anyone wants to join discussion.

Ninja's turn betting range is a) nuts b) nut-blocker bluff c) second nuts d) probably sets, but i would not bet them myself (dunno if it's the right play)

Everything except nuts is folding and i win a decent pot. If i call both streets i lose to bigger flushes and win vs bluff. It's an easy math spot in no-limit, but kinda tough in PLO cause math is too heavy. Maybe LearnedfromTV has an answer :-)

Ninja's turn betting range is a) nuts b) nut-blocker bluff c) second nuts d) probably sets, but i would not bet them myself (dunno if it's the right play)

Everything except nuts is folding and i win a decent pot-

this is one way of looking at it, on the other hand, all those hands that fold you beat anyway except for KXs, which may occasionally call anyway. my range is way more likely to be AXs than KXs also since i reraised preflop.

i think you should fold the turn some of the time (say 50% as an example but i have no idea what's the equilibrium point over 2 streets) or call the turn, and then call the river most of the time and fold it very rarely (this is the game theory answer anyway).

if you did all this with a dice, you might say on the turn you call 1-4, fold 5/6, on the river you call 1-4, fold 5-6. that seems like an ok approach theoretically if you take a moment to think about the bluff weightings in your brain.

if you actually do that in practice though (rather than using the math stuff) you're leaving a huge amount on the table, and your decision should be made based on the flow of the game, your views on the player who is making the play and how you think they perceive you etc. then just let your brain go soft and make what feels like the right play in the moment.

Thanks for an answer! Btw, i think i've read about such situations in LearnedfromTV's book, as far as i remember he advocates bluffcatching with K-high flushes and folding turn with any other, gonna reread this part tomorrow.

my range is way more likely to be AXs than KXs also since i reraised preflop.

honestly, 200bb deep in position vs CO open from aggressive player i doubt you will have AXs so much more often then KXs :-)

i think you should fold the turn some of the time (say 50% as an example but i have no idea what's the equilibrium point over 2 streets) or call the turn, and then call the river most of the time and fold it very rarely (this is the game theory answer anyway).

doesn't that make the river shove a little too thin ? (obv very few people will play close to perfectly on these spots but w.e)

we should keep ansky and fslexduck atleast they have postitive win rate just ran bad at high stakes....

i dont understand how do those ppl still have $ .......if they keep losing must have rich parents or something

A win rate over 150k is a measurement of luck + skill + game selection, not just skill.

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You say that u will get stacks in here with a pair of sixes, 5high flushdraw and a gutshot, are we really that much ahead if he ships it ? We must be crushed, what hand that he ships it with are we ahead of? it's like Qxxx no clubs

You say that u will get stacks in here with a pair of sixes, 5high flushdraw and a gutshot, are we really that much ahead if he ships it ? We must be crushed, what hand that he ships it with are we ahead of? it's like Qxxx no clubs

we obviously aren't ahead when he ships it.

The thought process is this; we can't check the flop; we have a huge amount of folding equity and a vulnerable hand that has poor reverse implied odds.

So we have to bet the flop. How much do we bet. Well, we could bet medium like 170 and fold to a shove. But he will peel 170 with a queen and then he will play pretty well against us on the turn. The pot size bet works well because it actually encourages hands that should call against our specific hand to fold (EG AQ might put us on aces here and fold because it doesn't have odds to improve vs that hand; however it might peel for 170).

If we bet pot, and he shoves, we are pot committed here. We don't have to be a favourite, we only need like 33% equity and we have that much even against like kings with clubs so its an easy get it in.