Episode One

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Episode One

Oink is back in this miniseries installment. Learn from the danish luck box as he plays some $5/10 limit 6max.

tags: oink piggyback $5/10 lhe 6max

This Series: Piggyback

Oink takes you through the limits from $5/10 to $15/30 in this 4-part miniseries.

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bassline
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First

Posted Sep 2, 2008 12:13pm

Hypnotic
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wow its not on party

Posted Sep 2, 2008 12:25pm

jh659jc
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anyone having problems with video around 8-9 minutes? it starts fastforwarding like crazy.

Posted Sep 2, 2008 12:57pm

jajvirta
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anyone having problems with video around 8-9 minutes? it starts fastforwarding like crazy.



Me too.

Posted Sep 2, 2008 1:04pm

fnupple
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Same here. Also, the audio of the mp4 version stops around the 9:25 mark.

Posted Sep 2, 2008 1:07pm

Entity
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Problems with Fastforwarding/etc are just MP4 version, right?

I'm updating the MP4/Flash version right now -- looks like something went wrong in the transcoding/conversion of it. WMV seems to work fine from what I can tell, please confirm if you get a chance. Conversion should be done in about 45min.

Rob

Posted Sep 2, 2008 1:20pm

jajvirta
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Problems with Fastforwarding/etc are just MP4 version, right?

I'm updating the MP4/Flash version right now -- looks like something went wrong in the transcoding/conversion of it. WMV seems to work fine from what I can tell, please confirm if you get a chance. Conversion should be done in about 45min



Yeah, sorry for not being explicit. My fastforwarding problems were on the flash version. WMV worked fine.

Posted Sep 2, 2008 1:23pm

FjodorM
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I have the fast forwarding problem in the flash version and the wmv download doesn't work either (get an error message during the download).

Posted Sep 2, 2008 2:06pm

FjodorM
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ah looks like i tried to download during the update

Posted Sep 2, 2008 2:07pm

Entity
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I have the fast forwarding problem in the flash version and the wmv download doesn't work either (get an error message during the download).


Flash version has been re-uploaded and works fine (I'm watching it now FTW).

Rob

Posted Sep 2, 2008 2:11pm

Entity
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ah looks like i tried to download during the update


Heh k, I was wondering.

Rob

Posted Sep 2, 2008 2:11pm

MickeyWins
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Oink,
Excellent as always.

1) I use PT's filters to make a default starting hand charts,
I actually go so far as to have slightly different charts for different limits.
This way I am confident in playing hands I have a history of profit with.
Should I discard this idea altogether?

2) Are you gifted mentally?
I notice you are able to do combo calculations in your head,
and some time ago I asked you about hand ranges, and you seem to have them memorized.
is this something a mere mortal like myself can do?
is it important, etc?

3) When I watch you or DD play. I am always amazed at your optimism in villains range.
by that I mean, I see folds when you see easy peel/calls etc.
My question seems obscure but, how can I see things more optimistically as to not fold so much?

Posted Sep 2, 2008 5:32pm

Oink
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These videos are old. Like 6 months old at least. So pardon me for not remembering them very well and I do believe I have become much better at limited hold em since then.


Mickey

1) I think thats a very good way of going about things as long as you keep variance in mind. Playing a bit tighter as you move up - if thats what you are doing is also fine.

2) I guess I am above average IQ wise - but I am certainly no genius. I am a grad school drop out after all. (I did get my masters at least). The stuff I do at the table prolly also has to do with experience.

3) I dunno how you should do this. Its something i notice a lot of people do. but he could have the nuts . Uhm yeah but he cpuld also have crap. I think the one thing a lot of TAGs miss is that they dont adjust well enough to pot odds. The odds at any given time in LHE will be so overly good that folding really isnt an option with a wide part of your range at any given point postflop. People who study LHe the Sklanksy way will get very fit/fold or raise/fold like. Thats correct in loose FR games but in tight and aggro SH games you actually need to get in a raise/call mode and fold as little as possible - at least postflop

Posted Sep 2, 2008 8:55pm

iplaylimit
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We miss you at the forums! Transform all of us into megalags!

Posted Sep 3, 2008 3:18am

grantkropf
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Love the vid. I want more OINK!

Posted Sep 3, 2008 4:29am

jajvirta
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Heh, that kramer27 (or whatever) dude is spot-on example of a player that has a lowish aggression factor (0.7), but against whom you just cannot fold anything made. I can imagine completely sensibly people advising (well at least used to be advising) folding top pair against this guy's raises, because "OMG his AF is 0.7". His VPIP is high, for sure, which makes the AF a bit skewed anyhow, but even then most of his actions don't make any sense at all.

But he's just the type to cap with 45o preflop and just go crazy in general. There was this wonderful hand (at around 39 minutes) where he had A8o on QQ4r board and he went call/3-bet on the flop which is about the strongest line you can take and makes the least sense with the hand he had. :-)

Posted Sep 3, 2008 4:53am

Oink
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Jajavirta

I agree completely. Putting too much stock into the AF stat is something you see people do a lot in the LHE forums at 2p2. Its a crap stat and I dont get why people use it. AFq ftw!

Posted Sep 3, 2008 8:38am

xrosswind
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06:15 Hero has Ah Qc in CO.
Player reads, SB unknown, HJ big fish. Read on HJ obtained from previous hand where he called an UTG open raise pf in the CO with K6 o/s.

Pre flop
HJ limps, hero raises, both blinds call.

Flop
Jc 8d 2s
Checked to hero who bets, all three opponents call.

Turn
Jc 8d 2s Qh
Again checked to hero who bets, SB raises, BB folds, HJ calls two cold and hero calls.

River
Jc 8d 2s Qh Kh
SB bets, HJ calls, hero folds.

Is it a big mistake to over call here. The HJ is a big fish and can easily have a hand that hero beats. I doubt that the SB has T9 because I think he would have bet out on the turn with that holding, rather than risk having his nut hand checked through. He could easily have two pair, but are there some hands he could play like this that hero is beating, well how about, QT, Q9, 98 do you think those holdings are possible.

Posted Sep 3, 2008 10:22am

Oink
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I dont think its terrible at all and as you say its somewhat likely we beat the fish.

The turn c/r'er could also have a hand we beat but overall its two pair, sets and straights a lot more often than not.

i dont hate calling but when I played it I just figured it was too much of a parlay for both the c/r'er to have Qx or worse and the fish to have a single pair

Posted Sep 3, 2008 12:13pm

MarcoC1981
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Oink, any chance of another eight part series in the future? I've gotten so much out of My Danish Luckbox and now this. I think these type of vids that make you think outside the box are very educational. The Doughnutz vids have this same quality.

Posted Sep 3, 2008 11:34pm

tubasteve
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Jajavirta

I agree completely. Putting too much stock into the AF stat is something you see people do a lot in the LHE forums at 2p2. Its a crap stat and I dont get why people use it. AFq ftw!




im glad im not the only one who shares this sentiment

Posted Sep 4, 2008 12:24am

Frufru
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The Doughnutz vids have this same quality.



sry, but lol. I really can“t watch his videos, he doesnt explain it in the right way. And after i saw his videos i just played like a little maniac. Oink is so much better as coach.

Posted Sep 8, 2008 6:45pm

Nebulosity
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Im really working on my limit game, and Oinks videos are great. This series is my first introduction to you, looking forward to more of them!

Posted Sep 10, 2008 1:20pm

Kvacke
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Hey Oink good work!

Just two thing on the hands in the end you went trough in pokertracker.

About the JT hand, it felt a bit optimistic to cound AK and AQ for the full 16combos, he may bet them but as the board is now bad for him I feel he is as likely or more to chk. More likely he bets KQ then as a bluff. Also if we raise he may acctually fold some of the weaker hands with a nonzero probability. Just that 40/20 calc felt a bit optimistic?

On the 99 hand. At the point we had been raising alot of hands in a row. And even though the stats indicated he would have a very narrow range I feel like we had to widen it more becouse of our image at the point. Also if thats the case he will want to get a showdown vs us so a c/r bet down for value would be my prefered line. But I agree with u if we give him the tight range or we dont think he is adjusting even though we have been raising alot of hands in a row.

Posted Sep 22, 2008 1:40pm

bellatrix
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Hi Oink!

I had one question on the 99 hand. Did you think at any point that you were WA/WB? Or did you think you were much more behind, so that you were calling down. The reason I ask is, if a b/f on the river could also do the trick instead of the c/c? Perhaps villain will desperately look us up with A-high when we bet the river, but not actually bet it himself? I'm pretty sure only hands that beat us raise on the river (especially with the second J falling). For me it's easier to play it that way around, because I'm always left guessing if he's value-betting 7s or 8s, 3 barreling AK/AQ/AT or vb a hand that beats us.

Posted Oct 6, 2008 11:12pm