Episode One

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Episode One

Welcome to the coaching tree where students become coaches and coaches become students. In the series premere Tubasteve coaches his student and gets coached himself by his former mentor, BalugaWhale

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This Series: The Coaching Tree

BalugaWhale and tubasteve climb the Coaching Tree. Many may not know that BalugaWhale is tubasteve's old poker coach. Watch them reunite as Steve coaches our members and Andrew coaches Steve on the coaching. 6max NL.

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sh1p the ch1ps
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first!

Posted Sep 2, 2008 12:19pm

Lucix
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The video starts fast forwarding around the 18 minute mark for me.

Posted Sep 2, 2008 12:26pm

Pacer
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Seams great but the stream goes into fast forward at about 40 minutes.

Posted Sep 2, 2008 12:48pm

MiheljoX
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me to

Posted Sep 2, 2008 12:51pm

Invertible
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The video starts fast forwarding around the 18 minute mark for me.


me too

Posted Sep 2, 2008 12:53pm

shark_fishin
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mine started to fast forward :S then when i paused and pressed play again it went back to 18m then went to start.
it was a shame, cuase i was really enjoying it

Posted Sep 2, 2008 1:04pm

elcholodeamor
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I've got the same problem here, video starts to fast foward around the 18 min mark.

Posted Sep 2, 2008 1:13pm

tubasteve
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Guys be more specific about your problems so Rob/Rusty can diagnose the problem. What versions of the file are you getting these errors with?

Hope y'all enjoy the series. I filmed the first ep while I was at home visiting family so I was a bit distracted and feel like the next few episodes are much better on my end. Regardless, I think Andrew and I have some good discussion and we hope you guys get a lot out of hte vids.

Posted Sep 2, 2008 1:13pm

DarkApfelstrudel
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Around 18 minutes the audio is muted but the video itself is running.
I downloaded the mp4 file.

Posted Sep 2, 2008 1:17pm

Entity
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I'm updating the MP4/Flash version right now -- looks like something went wrong in the transcoding/conversion of it. WMV seems to work fine from what I can tell, please confirm if you get a chance. Conversion should be done in about 20min.

Rob

Posted Sep 2, 2008 1:19pm

silsensium
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My .wmv file went fine... very nice series, looking forward for new episodes...

Posted Sep 2, 2008 1:29pm

Entity
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Vid has been re-transcoded and re-uploaded. New version looks great to me, LMK if you guys spot anything though.

Rob

Posted Sep 2, 2008 1:39pm

Ulkis
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Balugawhale is the nuts! I should tape everything and just sub-consciously listen to it while I sleep. What a motor mouth!
22 minutes in to the video and I will now give it top stars.

Now, does this guy know all the poker situations by heart or what!

Posted Sep 2, 2008 1:43pm

Entity
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Balugawhale is the nuts! I should tape everything and just sub-consciously listen to it while I sleep. What a motor mouth!
22 minutes in to the video and I will now give it top stars.

Now, does this guy know all the poker situations by heart or what!


Yeah I'm pretty impressed by his flow and the amount of depth that he gets into. This is going to have to go down as the most advanced $25NL video ever, IMO. Nice work, steve+baluga.

Posted Sep 2, 2008 1:49pm

hockey999
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downloaded wmv and it only downloaded the first one minute and cut out..also why is the picture not as clear as some other vids

Posted Sep 2, 2008 2:01pm

Entity
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downloaded wmv and it only downloaded the first one minute and cut out..also why is the picture not as clear as some other vids


Just re-download. There aren't any problems with the WMV, so there's something on your end that interrupted the download for some reason.

The picture isn't as clear because the student (JLee) recorded 4-tables at 50% the resolution of normal, probably because he was recording on a smaller screen or a laptop. Steve tells me most of the vids in this series are larger, but it's the same way things worked with King for a Day or Hoodie Wars, where re-recording we're limited to the original quality that people submit, so it's not 100% in our control.

Rob

Posted Sep 2, 2008 2:03pm

DarkApfelstrudel
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yes the mp4 file is now working properly.

btw I really liked the intro.

Posted Sep 2, 2008 2:15pm

hockey999
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entity, thanks for the explanation. Once again the content and amount is awesome with dc and so is the support..thanks

Posted Sep 2, 2008 2:33pm

jlee
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Tuba and baluga thank you both for video review definitely some great concepts. On the pocket 77 hands where i squeezed against a guy who was opening large range in steal position I was just looking to take down the pot where he is folding almost all of his range. Are you ever squeezing hands like this against loose opener as unlikely either player is paying off flopped set? Typically i would call with this hand here. Probably misapplying concepts seen in video.
A10 hand definitely was raising for value against player who is stealing 45% of the time, post flop i was definitely lost so i guess calling/folding is better pre flop.

Thank again guys

Jlee

Posted Sep 2, 2008 3:01pm

stone
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rofl at the intro, very nice job

Posted Sep 2, 2008 3:09pm

Sugar Nut
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awesome vid

5 stars

Posted Sep 2, 2008 3:21pm

drsmooth
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I think a couple of times you attribute stats from his HUD to the wrong players. Not that that is very important. Anyway...

Amazing video. I think I'm gonna have to re-watch it and take notes on all the concepts Baluga was talking about. That dichotomy between pre-flop ranges and post-flop ranges (the A8 v 48 discussion) is something I haven't heard articulated that well even though it is something people probably intuitively know. An absolute tonne of info in here

Posted Sep 2, 2008 3:29pm

gring000h
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goddammit, nobody can be this good at internetpokers

Posted Sep 2, 2008 3:36pm

020Sicario020
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Balugwhale (and credits to Steve also) is da bomb, man that guy can explain things and more worthfull i guess, he makes you think hehehe, one one, one day i will have the monies to hire Balugawhale as a coach! Amen!
Great great series again by Deucescracked!

that 99 hand was so great to look at, i mean most of the people tell us lowlimit players , "no set, no bet"! Great insight!!!

Posted Sep 2, 2008 3:51pm

Lucix
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great video.

Posted Sep 2, 2008 4:25pm

Blantons
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This video should be the inaugral entry into the DC Video Hall of Fame. Baluga's commentary is amongst the best I've heard from any training site.

Posted Sep 2, 2008 4:54pm

Beans
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This was really awsome, so much indepth analysis
Steve and Beluga are the nuts!
thnx for this,

Posted Sep 2, 2008 5:03pm

Cokeblood
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balugawhale + tubasteve FTW!!! great insight, clear exlanations, I loved the video!!!

Posted Sep 2, 2008 5:13pm

Ulkis
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Yeah yeah yeah, Baluga is the nuts but what makes him interesting is, judging by a lot of internet posts at 2+2 is that his, similar to Chaostricize, ideas are pretty controversial. Not all people agree with these guys. They seem to have a special take on NL. I am sure Krantz and Whitelime are like top of the food chain but these guys somehow can express the thought process to the top level.

Posted Sep 2, 2008 6:04pm

JDFSSS
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Really good vid. Looking forward to the rest of the series.

Posted Sep 2, 2008 6:15pm

tubasteve
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Yeah yeah yeah, Baluga is the nuts but what makes him interesting is, judging by a lot of internet posts at 2+2 is that his, similar to Chaostricize, ideas are pretty controversial. Not all people agree with these guys. They seem to have a special take on NL. I am sure Krantz and Whitelime are like top of the food chain but these guys somehow can express the thought process to the top level.




yeah esp when you start mentioning stuff like calling raises preflop from the blinds, OMG WE CANT DO THAT WE'RE OOP!

Posted Sep 2, 2008 6:27pm

Ulkis
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yeah esp when you start mentioning stuff like calling raises preflop from the blinds, OMG WE CANT DO THAT WE'RE OOP!



yeah Tuba, I think I actually hear a "thud" when Baluga hit you on a head when you made a fool of yourself...Just kidding...it's all good.

Posted Sep 2, 2008 6:45pm

Alexandre
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This vid pretty much blew me away. The understanding and chemistry between you guys is amazing, really learned alot in this vid! Keep em coming, and WHACK EM'!

Posted Sep 2, 2008 6:58pm

matelija
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This is an amazing video. Really looking forward to next eps.

Posted Sep 2, 2008 7:16pm

Ulkis
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Yeah, it's like Martin and Lewis...

Posted Sep 2, 2008 8:33pm

Hielko
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Good videa, but the audio of balugawhale kinda sucks. Sounds like a very low bandwidth audio stream or something like that.

Posted Sep 2, 2008 10:15pm

yeahgoforit
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Great idea, more of this!

Posted Sep 2, 2008 10:37pm

tubasteve
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Good videa, but the audio of balugawhale kinda sucks. Sounds like a very low bandwidth audio stream or something like that.



next 3 vids are already recorded and are much better. we were both at our parents house on break from school for this ep, hence the poor audio on his end.

Posted Sep 2, 2008 11:07pm

tubasteve
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Great idea, more of this!




oh dont you worry theres a whole season ahead!

also i can't quote everyone but thanks for all the positive feedback guys!!!

Posted Sep 2, 2008 11:08pm

HustleHard
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sup fellas.

I normally wouldn't watch a video made at limits as low as these, but I am sure glad that I did. I definitely took stuff away from this video, and I really just can't even imagine how awesome a video at higher limits will be. If you guys decide to hit up the 200NL level for one of these coaching tree episodes, holler at me for a submission.

thanks though and nice work both of you

Roy

Posted Sep 2, 2008 11:12pm

JJJGabriel
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best micro/small stakes NL video ever! really fantastic. thx guys

Posted Sep 2, 2008 11:37pm

hurt
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balugawhale is a pimp

Posted Sep 3, 2008 12:05am

kondor101
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Just over halfway through I started to hear a strange popping crackle sound.
Nothing wrong with the vid apparently, it was my brain frying with information overload.

I am going to try to ingrain the stuff about "not believing" and "not value betting" enough in to the remaining mush.

Posted Sep 3, 2008 12:18am

jlee
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Just over halfway through I started to hear a strange popping crackle sound.
Nothing wrong with the vid apparently, it was my brain frying with information overload.

I am going to try to ingrain the stuff about "not believing" and "not value betting" enough in to the remaining mush.



I will have to rewatch as all I remember is tuba saying "Yeah i dont know what he is doing here"
Or baluga going "Not betting here is pretty bad"

Posted Sep 3, 2008 12:38am

Paracelse
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very very nice video

However i am not really agree whith that BalugaWhale said about the limped pot with 72o on board 732 two tone against 2 opponent, especially after what he said with the 99 on QJ7 flop
The protection is more important in the second spot (any random card over hte 7 can suckout us), and a bet have more value(we have top pair vs third pair), whereas we are only slightly less likely to take the pot down (yes it is 3way, but it's a only a limped pot and the board don't fit the "high card area"), so i think the second spot it's an easy bet too.
I don't see why the second situation have more RIO, basically in both we don't put more money in the pot after the flop bet.

Posted Sep 3, 2008 2:52am

czzarr
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wow baluga is absolutely amazing. i'm very fortunate that i didn't stop video when i saw it was 25nl
i mean the commentary is just sick! looking forward to the next episodes for sure !

Posted Sep 3, 2008 4:15am

tubasteve
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sup fellas.

I normally wouldn't watch a video made at limits as low as these, but I am sure glad that I did. I definitely took stuff away from this video, and I really just can't even imagine how awesome a video at higher limits will be. If you guys decide to hit up the 200NL level for one of these coaching tree episodes, holler at me for a submission.

thanks though and nice work both of you

Roy



tyty and we already have all the member submissions, but never fear b/c here is the progression for the rest of the series:

ep 2: 50nl 6-max
ep 3: 100nl 6-max
ep 4: 50nl FR
ep 5: 100nl FR
ep 6: 200nl 6-max
ep 7: 200nl 6-max
ep 8: 400nl 6-max

Posted Sep 3, 2008 5:43am

StoppingFist
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One of the best videos I've ever seen. Excellent explanations of fundamental concepts. The quizzing of tubasteve/the viewer is really helpful.

Posted Sep 3, 2008 6:52am

Emperor
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WOW! Great Stuff!

Posted Sep 3, 2008 8:27am

forker
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Thank you Belugawhale, and Tubasteve for this excellent coaching video.

I felt like back in school and wanted to start taking notes

Posted Sep 3, 2008 9:38am

Losingdonkey
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Oh cool a baluga video at 25nl how delightfully useless!

Posted Sep 3, 2008 10:55am

treppex
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this is good shit.
thanks for making it.

Posted Sep 3, 2008 11:13am

tehmac
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Oh cool a baluga video at 25nl how delightfully useless!



STFU. GTFO.

Newbies *sigh*.

Posted Sep 3, 2008 11:34am

shark_fishin
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awesome vid

Posted Sep 3, 2008 1:10pm

tubasteve
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Oh cool a baluga video at 25nl how delightfully useless!




oh cool losingdonkey posted in my thread without watching the video first, how delightfully awesome!

Posted Sep 3, 2008 1:33pm

EvilSky
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I think its awesome how baluga puts steve on the defensive and makes him look like a newbie
If every other vid in the series is as good as this my head is gonna implode.

Posted Sep 3, 2008 1:54pm

PatrickSwayze
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Jesus. Fantastic video.

Posted Sep 3, 2008 5:46pm

Sugar Nut
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Oh btw,

what dos George Lucas say to you stealing the chewbacca sound for Balugawhale in the intro

Posted Sep 3, 2008 6:44pm

xerocat
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"goddammit, nobody can be this good at internetpokers" sums it up.

Wow. Just wow. This is a steep hill to climb, indeed. It is pretty inspiring.

Posted Sep 3, 2008 7:59pm

Entity
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Oh btw,

what dos George Lucas say to you stealing the chewbacca sound for Balugawhale in the intro


LOL. Rusty (our coaching ninja/guy who does a ton of the video production now, also someone who studied Marine Biology) asked me when he produced this vid "what kind of whale is that supposed to be? It sounds more like a Chewbacca."

Rob

Posted Sep 3, 2008 8:02pm

bobboufl11
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great stuff, someone said this was good and I almost skipped it when I saw it was 25NL but decided to give it a chance. Very glad I did and it's definitely a series I'll continue to follow. The format is great because there are so many things to think about in certain spots and we get to see the gap between a winning small stakes player and the guy who has taken the step that so many of us are trying to but haven't gotten there yet. A lot of times I would agree with Steve as it went along and then Baluga would say something and it was cool because I wouldn't have thought of it that way. Or I would disagree with Steve and then Baluga would agree too It's great to see how I can work on my play in "standard" spots in which I may be missing a bit of value or paying off too much against the wrong guys. Can't wait for the next one

Posted Sep 3, 2008 8:35pm

cobby
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there's one thing i don't understand at all.
Pretty early steve says that by raising bigger OOP the smaller your positional disadvantage is.
Isn't this somewhat contradictory, because we all know that you make bigger mistakes OOP. And the bigger the pot is the bigger your mistakes are. Am I right here?
How can you explain this?
If I'm right than calling is theoretically also better than 3betting when defending your blinds from the perspective of your positional disadvantage????

Posted Sep 3, 2008 8:42pm

Curtlow
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The video stops and goes back to the beginging at about the 8:30 mark.

Posted Sep 3, 2008 9:49pm

Entity
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The video stops and goes back to the beginging at about the 8:30 mark.


It's not the video, it's that your connection somehow got reset while streaming the video. Reload and try watching again. We're looking into why this has been happening more recently but don't know yet; for now the best answer is to download the downloadable versions using a download manager like http://www.freedownloadmanager.org

Rob

Posted Sep 3, 2008 10:27pm

foal
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balugawhale rulez

Posted Sep 3, 2008 11:34pm

tubasteve
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there's one thing i don't understand at all.
Pretty early steve says that by raising bigger OOP the smaller your positional disadvantage is.
Isn't this somewhat contradictory, because we all know that you make bigger mistakes OOP. And the bigger the pot is the bigger your mistakes are. Am I right here?
How can you explain this?
If I'm right than calling is theoretically also better than 3betting when defending your blinds from the perspective of your positional disadvantage????




the lower the stack to pot ratio, the shallower the stacks play, meaning the less correct it will be for your opponents to try and hit flops since we cut their implied odds. also since the pot is bigger and we have less behind, our decisions become easier as we can commit lighter.

Posted Sep 3, 2008 11:57pm

tubasteve
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great stuff, someone said this was good and I almost skipped it when I saw it was 25NL but decided to give it a chance. Very glad I did and it's definitely a series I'll continue to follow. The format is great because there are so many things to think about in certain spots and we get to see the gap between a winning small stakes player and the guy who has taken the step that so many of us are trying to but haven't gotten there yet. A lot of times I would agree with Steve as it went along and then Baluga would say something and it was cool because I wouldn't have thought of it that way. Or I would disagree with Steve and then Baluga would agree too It's great to see how I can work on my play in "standard" spots in which I may be missing a bit of value or paying off too much against the wrong guys. Can't wait for the next one




glad you liked it sir

and yeah, i definitely felt like a noob while making this vid, but afterwards my brain just started crankin and all the stuff we had talked about in our coaching sorta started to flood back to me, and i think the later ones are even more thought provoking.

Posted Sep 3, 2008 11:58pm

goodallalan
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Don't normally post comments, but this was outstanding - probs the most useful uNL vid Ive ever seen.

Posted Sep 4, 2008 1:55am

BalugaWhale
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I'm glad you guys have enjoyed this video. It only gets better.

A quick note-- just because the limits start low, or because episodes 4 and 5 will be full ring, doesnt mean that the concepts won't apply to your game regardless of what limit or game type you play (whether HU, 6max, or FR). Relearning FR helps my 6max game in ways. Practicing 6max helps my FR game. etc. etc.

Posted Sep 4, 2008 6:46am

Squishee
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This video is awesome, I really liked the way you talked and explained tought this video

Looking for this serie for sure

Thanks to you 2

Very interessting

Posted Sep 4, 2008 8:06am

tdoomx
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Fantastic stuff. You WILL beat NL25 after watching this.

Posted Sep 4, 2008 10:14am

EvilSky
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When you say you dont want to raise stuff like A8off cuz they arent gonna go anyway when raised, what about hand like AT-AQ off, doesnt the same logic applies? Or is it ok because of the times they call with dominated hands?

Posted Sep 4, 2008 1:23pm

cobby
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the lower the stack to pot ratio, the shallower the stacks play, meaning the less correct it will be for your opponents to try and hit flops since we cut their implied odds. also since the pot is bigger and we have less behind, our decisions become easier as we can commit lighter.


so basically your argument outweighs the argument that you make more mistakes OOP and that with a bigger pot your mistakes become more severe?
I'm so interested in that, because it really helps me to decide when to 3bet or just to call OOP; ...or what is theoretically better...

Posted Sep 4, 2008 4:07pm

LaticFanatic
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Don't normally post comments, but this was outstanding - probs the most useful uNL vid Ive ever seen.



+1

Posted Sep 4, 2008 7:37pm

chads
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Got to say I love this approach to coaching. It's sometimes too easy to hear the correct way of thinking, and think "OK", then for it not to sink in. For real beginners (aka, 'me') there's nothing better than hearing the incorrect answer, which is then developed towards a better way of thinking. This episode's right up there with the whitelime-v-pr1nyraid challenge where they compete to be the best HU coach

Posted Sep 4, 2008 9:09pm

chads
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the lower the stack to pot ratio, the shallower the stacks play, meaning the less correct it will be for your opponents to try and hit flops since we cut their implied odds. also since the pot is bigger and we have less behind, our decisions become easier as we can commit lighter.



I'm kind of with cobby's first post on this point. Is it really correct to engineer big pots just to simplify the decision OOP?? Surely you're just happy when you get into that spot to have an easier decision, but why go out of your way to get there in the first place?

I used to almost intenionally commit myself to the pot to make AI choices easier, until I realised it's less stress to always aim for small pots in marginal spots, and save big pots for when you're more confident you're ahead.

Posted Sep 4, 2008 9:18pm

tubasteve
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I'm kind of with cobby's first post on this point. Is it really correct to engineer big pots just to simplify the decision OOP?? Surely you're just happy when you get into that spot to have an easier decision, but why go out of your way to get there in the first place?



our decisions get easier as our opponents make bigger mistakes. not mutually exclusive!

Posted Sep 4, 2008 9:41pm

BalugaWhale
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guys, let me simplify this question youre having about raise sizes OOP

the more money behind in stacks means more reverse implied odds. the less money behind in stacks means less reverse implied odds. our reverse implied odds are worst when we are out of position. thus, making a larger pot OOP preflop reduces our reverse implied odds postflop, compensating for the increase of reverse implied odds due to our positional disadvantage.

in the grand scheme of things, though, you can pretty much raise to 3.5bb or a PSR utg as a standard. I do.

Posted Sep 5, 2008 9:02am

guitarizt
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Great vid, can't wait for the next ones.

Posted Sep 5, 2008 11:07am

marcopolio
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That was a great vid. Having read the thread in 2+2 about CR v DC, I opted to join DC and have been thoroughly impressed; the content in this video is excellent and really illustrates how evaluating your options can improve your decisions.

I do have one question though - when playing yourselves (Baluga and Tuba), how do you ensure that you make the 'correct' decision based on the information in front of you? Early in the video, Tubasteve advocated c/f'ing the 99 on JQx board and Baluga instantly said, no I would bet; it felt like Tubasteve was on autopilot and Baluga snapped Tuba out of it. How do you stop the autopilot option? Do you have a mental checklist before making a decision? Do you ask yourself a question before taking an action?

I feel like I autopilot sometimes and make poor decisions because of it and watching the vid has opened up new thoughts but I need to ensure that I can apply these correctly while playing. Analysing hands in PT or on forums is all well and good but I need to do it consistently at the table!

Also, this vid is tremendous and the format is excellent. Looking forward to the rest of the series.

EDIT: First Post \o/

Posted Sep 5, 2008 1:42pm

Blixx
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Don't normally post comments, but this was outstanding - probs the most useful uNL vid Ive ever seen.



Seriously, by the end of this I was stunned speechless by information overload. Now I find out it will cover NL50-NL100 AND full ring...just epic.

I'd actually planned to watch it more for entertainment than info because I was too tired to play. But, after 15min I'd had to pause/rewind 5 times and the half-page notepad I use for noting timestamps was already crammed with info. I'll be re-watching ep1 on the weekend & this just shot to the top of my must watch list for the season.

Posted Sep 5, 2008 8:43pm

Cernunnos
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One of the best videos I've ever seen.


+1
Can't wait for the next ones

Posted Sep 6, 2008 11:56am

CruzertheBruzer
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Good stuff.

Posted Sep 6, 2008 4:10pm

greenzulu
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I do have one question though - when playing yourselves (Baluga and Tuba), how do you ensure that you make the 'correct' decision based on the information in front of you? How do you stop the autopilot option? Do you have a mental checklist before making a decision? Do you ask yourself a question before taking an action?

I feel like I autopilot sometimes and make poor decisions because of it and watching the vid has opened up new thoughts but I need to ensure that I can apply these correctly while playing.

EDIT: First Post \o/



Its like boxing or any martial art. In the ring, when you are fighting, you do what you are trained to do. In the ring you wont try any new moves or do anything complicated. You will do the basics that have been hammered into you. Thats why repitition of the basics (keep your gloves up) is so important.

For me its the same with poker. When you are playing you can only do what you have been trained to do. Dont expect to come up with ninja decision trees on the fly. Rather make mistakes, analyse them, watch videos about them, write about them, make them again, analyse them again, rinse repeat. Eventually those things become reflex and your autopilot gets a level up.

So my answer to your Q is level up your autopilot through training away from the table and analysis of your play at it.

Posted Sep 6, 2008 10:23pm

MyCookieJar
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Guys, just wanted to say that this is one of the best video's I have seen so far on DC.

Much good karma to both of you for making this.

Posted Sep 6, 2008 11:18pm

Cernunnos
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Its like boxing or any martial art. In the ring, when you are fighting, you do what you are trained to do. In the ring you wont try any new moves or do anything complicated. You will do the basics that have been hammered into you. Thats why repitition of the basics (keep your gloves up) is so important.

For me its the same with poker. When you are playing you can only do what you have been trained to do. Dont expect to come up with ninja decision trees on the fly. Rather make mistakes, analyse them, watch videos about them, write about them, make them again, analyse them again, rinse repeat. Eventually those things become reflex and your autopilot gets a level up.

So my answer to your Q is level up your autopilot through training away from the table and analysis of your play at it.



Sorry but i think this is bad advice (if i understand right what you say ofcourse). Not adjusting on the fly = death imo. Doing anything at the table by reflex is bad.
How do you stop autopilot? Just start thinking. Play less tables for a while and think through every single spot. What's his range? How affect board texture to his range? How affect to your hand? What do you want to achive? What will you do if he call/raise/donk? What will you do if a certain trun/rivercard comes? With what hands will he pay you off? How many streets will he pay? With what hand will he bluff? How's your hand looks like? How would you play the nuts in the spot? How many times have you air in the spot? How should you change your bet size based on the circumstances? And many many many more things to consider just in a single hand, on a single street.
What you can/should do away from the table is thinking about type of hands (beyond session review, leak finding, etc). How can i play a mid suited connector profitably? Where the value come from with them? What kind of board am i looking for with it? What's a good situation with a suited connector? And at the tables you can ask yourself: Is this a good situation to a suited connector? If no (how) can i adjust to keep play profitable? What's his range? How affects board texture........
I hope you get my point!

Posted Sep 7, 2008 1:22am

astralcreep
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Outstanding video!

Posted Sep 9, 2008 8:44am

Deusdeorum
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Joined 07/08

I have just watched Baby Steps and From the Ground up and liked both series. But got to say: This vid is the burner! Watched it twice and still don`t have all the informations sunken in
BalugaWhale is just WOW! Pitty he is so expensive
And Steve of course does a great job too.Your approach to the game is a little different but I believe a pretty solid one to grind yourself through the microstakes.
When i read that you will cover now higher limits and FR i first was sad since i am playing NL25 and don`t think the play on Nl100+ can be applied to it but probably, the now seen given (and the respond of BalugaWhale taken), it will still help me.
I just have the worrie that it might confuse me and that then, back at the nl25 table i mix up concepts which are good for midstakes but not as appropriate (or say: not max. EV) for lowstakes. No need to worry?

Posted Sep 10, 2008 3:45am

munkey
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So much conceptual stuff jammed in, this needs to be re-watched.

Baluga you do a great job of explaining all the concepts and more
importantly which are the more relevant at the time that leads to
the best course of action.

Q for BalugaWhale and Tubasteve:

2:46 ( -> 12:45 ) 99 on QJ7 flop OOP vs loose passive

I understand why we bet and what to do on the turn(at least I think
I do).

But if he was still loose but more aggro, what's the plan on a (blank)
turn? Say he was the type to sometimes float and bet turn 1/2pot.

Do we just have to give up OOP with horrible
RIO situation with 3rd pair or throw in an occasionally b/f as their floating too much?

Does the board and our position/opponent just make our options limited?

Posted Sep 12, 2008 10:58am

July7th
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Great series. I really like the "student/teacher reviewing recorded sessions" format. And yes, Baluga is awesome at explaining things in clear terms. Tuba, I got luv for u too, don't worry! lol. Anyway, first of all, yeah, you guys seemed to be looking at the wrong stat windows for several of the players, not that I think it made much difference, but it was a little confusing. Finally, I have a big question. Where's the luv for 2nl, 5nl, and 10nl?? I haven't seen any videos for anything less than 25nl. Why is this? I'm just starting out, and I'm much more comfortable risking 2, 5, or 10 dollars instead of 25, 50 or more. Ok, that's all. Thanks for all that you DC guys do! =)

Posted Sep 12, 2008 11:54pm

rjpageuk
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Joined 02/08

Just watched this and had to add a 5 star rating and a comment to BalugaWhale who was amazing.

Only got through about 5 hands in the hour but the depth of the conversation was amazing.

I think you should give BalugaWhale a series where you just prompt him with some random poker question and see how long and how in depth he can go before running out of things to say

Posted Sep 13, 2008 4:02pm