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Pregaming: Episode One

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Pregaming: Episode One by MagicNinja

MagicNinja kicks off his series with a basic ghost video of him playing 2 tables of $2/4 PLO 6max.

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MagicNinja, DeucesCracked's newest coach brings a creative look into his play at mid to high stakes games.

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  • Game: plo
  • Stakes: Mid Stakes
  • 65 minutes long
  • Posted almost 3 years ago

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delcrossb

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Your various euphemisms for clowns are awesome.

Posted almost 3 years ago

ElstonGunnn

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Watch The Big Lebowski to find out why his avatar is angry.

Posted almost 3 years ago

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The video was gold, "enemy suicide equity" lol.

Posted almost 3 years ago

Teahupoo

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The video was gold, "enemy suicide equity" lol.



I pissed myself. Solid gold vid for sure.

Posted almost 3 years ago

sweetjazz3

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Time Link to 00:18:02

Love the video overall, but really don't like the open in the CO with 9822ds when you have an aggressive button and an aggressive big blind. I felt like this was a very rare occurrence of you accidentally putting on some face paint and honking your nose. What do you think about opening this hand looking back on it post-session?

Posted almost 3 years ago

jrw5001

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Love the video overall, but really don't like the open in the CO with 9822ds when you have an aggressive button and an aggressive big blind. I felt like this was a very rare occurrence of you accidentally putting on some face paint and honking your nose. What do you think about opening this hand looking back on it post-session?



Street poker.

Posted almost 3 years ago

ElstonGunnn

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all episodes going to be live play? Any hand history review? member submitted possibly!!?

Posted almost 3 years ago

ElstonGunnn

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Time Link to 01:03:45

If ethane check raises the turn is it an auto shove?

Posted almost 3 years ago

mitch

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The constant click in the background was kind of tilting... other than that great video, very cool perspective + entertaining. can't wait for the rest of this series

Posted almost 3 years ago

MagicNinja

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Love the video overall, but really don't like the open in the CO with 9822ds when you have an aggressive button and an aggressive big blind. I felt like this was a very rare occurrence of you accidentally putting on some face paint and honking your nose. What do you think about opening this hand looking back on it post-session?



sweetjazz3, you may have been correct. although i think i can probably play this hand anyway on the cutoff (in the same way i might imagine ivey opening it at a tough 25/50 plo game, which he definitely is doing and i would say profitably), i agree and i'm glad you mention this as i was stressing how the buttons rr, and the sb and bbs looseness might affect your own looseness in this position.

i definitely don't think you should be opening this hand without a significant skill edge on the players at the table, and even then, perhaps not.

Posted almost 3 years ago

MagicNinja

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If ethane check raises the turn is it an auto shove?



i might actually fold in that scenario because i didn't think that player at that time would be capable of that with less than a boat.

the bottom line is that is basically never happening. certainly not as a bluff.

Posted almost 3 years ago

MagicNinja

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all episodes going to be live play? Any hand history review? member submitted possibly!!?



i'd like to start most the eps as live play. i watch the videos after anyway so its not really a different time investment, but i actually think they have more value when i make my reads based as the action happens. i think it's really easy to be results oriented after hands, and also i feel like the way you see me adapt is possibly the biggest thing you can get out of the videos.

it's also more fun and makes for more interesting videos if it's all on the fly, rather than me trying to teach a specific concept. i will consider that sort of thing if something keeps coming up in the next few videos though.

Posted almost 3 years ago

MagicNinja

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i'd like to start most the eps as live play. i watch the videos after anyway so its not really a different time investment, but i actually think they have more value when i make my reads based as the action happens...



on the other hand i did say you needed to be good like 35% of the time when i was paying something like 118 into 180. Smile you never need to be good 34% of the time in plo my friends, as when they bet pot, you are getting 2-1!

Posted almost 3 years ago

delcrossb

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it's also more fun and makes for more interesting videos if it's all on the fly



Also live clown jokes better showcase your mental dexterity.

Posted almost 3 years ago

sweetjazz3

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i definitely don't think you should be opening this hand without a significant skill edge on the players at the table, and even then, perhaps not.



Yeah my primary concern was not about your skill level relative to the other players (which I am in no way qualified to judge), but more that your hand holding is quite crappy and you are up against aggressive players who are likely to make you invest a lot of money early in the hand (as opposed to players in suspenders and baggy pants who will either just fold too much or passively let you leverage your positional advantage).

I thought you did a great job of addressing how to adjust your game plan based on how the players at your table were playing and especially focusing on those on your left for how you handle blind steals.

I feel pretty confident that you would say that 9822ss is in the bottom 5% of hands, and I don't see how it being double suited really makes it a whole lot better. There are almost no boards where you are fist pumping to play for stacks.

Posted almost 3 years ago

shoobri

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Time Link to 00:49:30

Great video, can you finish explaining where dickkemp made the mistake in this hand?

Posted almost 3 years ago

hope4poke

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Fantastic video, can't wait for the rest of the series!~!

Posted almost 3 years ago

Kesky

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God, I wish this was a NLHE video. Frown

I watched and enjoyed this even though I never play PLO.

Posted almost 3 years ago

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Time Link to 00:40:29

Hi magicninja

Given the showdown info you get later in the session - i.e. ethane calls down extremely light.
Do you still like your fold to the small river bet with 4th set when BDFlush arrives?
If so, Why etc.

Posted almost 3 years ago

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Time Link to 00:07:36

Hand on the left, do we ever bluff-raise on the river there? We have a 7 blocker, and there's not many ways he can have 78**, plus if we did have 78** we probably would have checked back on the turn?

Posted almost 3 years ago

JMSLOP

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Wow! This video is excellent, I really enjoyed watching your plays and the way you explained what you were doing was totally on point.

Thanks for the video, hope to see moar!

Posted almost 3 years ago

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Sheer unadulterated excellence. Can't wait for more.

Posted almost 3 years ago

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Time Link to 00:45:32

You start with saying that you need to be good like 40% of the time, then you lower it a bit. You do realize that you only need to be good 33% of the time if he pots it right? Here he doesn't even pot it. So it's safe to say that you need to be good less then 33%. ;-)

Edit: Ops, you had already written a comment about this. Sorry. :-)

Posted almost 3 years ago

MagicNinja

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Hand on the left, do we ever bluff-raise on the river there? We have a 7 blocker, and there's not many ways he can have 78**, plus if we did have 78** we probably would have checked back on the turn?



yea i did consider this very quickly and your thought process is good, i would need a better read on how someone thinks about the game to make this play though as i'm not repping anything. what this might mean is either a) he is a player that is going to give me respect because i am not repping anything. b) he is definitely NOT a call box.

i'd say the majority of players call you here because nothing really makes sense. i could be wrong though and the play would have been fine.

Posted almost 3 years ago

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Time Link to 01:00:25

Here with AK2 on an 2AK2T board, think you should have considered shoving more given he bet 112 into 329 and you had 286 left. This bet sizing is very indicative of a weaker hand than AA or KK, which most of the time given he has the option to ship 286 he probably would have. Of course, he could be just super levelling with those hands but it's more likely he has something like QJ that was semi bluffing, given combinatorics of how there's 1 AA and 1 KK left and 16 QJs. It would certainly make sense he would bet it as we are mostly repping AK here. Guess he can have TT too but quite unlikely given action.

Of course he may not call but a lot of people do when getting good pot odds and having bet small, thinking they've induced a bluff.

Posted almost 3 years ago

Schweig

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Time Link to 00:17:05

Here with KK in a 4-bet pot on a 977dxd board. I'm not convinced that anything else is retarded or it's as simple as you make it out to be with $348 in a $214 board. Sure, with exactly AA or KK we'd rather make things simple and just pot and pot commit ourselves, but are we doing this when we have AKQJ or something that missed. If yes, then it makes sense that we pot here, but if no, then we should think more about balancing our range with our bet sizing here. When we have air, perhaps a 130 bet would accomplish the same thing, or if you're worried about lighter peels, then maybe something more like 160.

Also, even if we don't have air that much, then we may induce lighter shoves if we bet smaller with AA, which would be great if we have them crushed, because we no longer look like we're calling 100% so a hand like bare T8, bare low diamonds may decide there is some fold equity even when there isn't.

Posted almost 3 years ago

MagicNinja

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Here with KK in a 4-bet pot on a 977dxd board.
Also, even if we don't have air that much, then we may induce lighter shoves if we bet smaller with AA,



the reason is that most his draws have more than 30% equity, even 8T23 has 28% equity. So its very close to being correct for him to get those hands in.

And yes, i'm pot calling this board with anything that i get there like this with for sure. You have at least 35% FE and i doubt you that.

a bit deeper and i would bet a smaller bet like 140.

Posted almost 3 years ago

MagicNinja

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Here with AK2 on an 2AK2T board.



eyea i acted too fast and didn't really consider his sizing enough. pushing is still thin despite the sizing because it is hard to get called and easy for us to beat (eg the only reason for shoving is the sizing, otherwise shoving would be clearly bad).

Posted almost 3 years ago

ImaLLin

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Time Link to 00:23:47

First of all, I'm a new member to this site, though I have watched a lot of videos with a friend from his account.

"I will always bluff this board anyway, because a lot of people ch/fold and you're getting a very good price."

Please comment on your bet-size here. You make it 51 into 77, and have to fold to a clickraise, as he will have less than a potsized bet left on the turn.

I do think he got Ax spade or A spade her the majority of the time, but I think you open yourself up to getting bluffed to easily, as you "always" bet this board IP.

I imagine betting 31-ish (or around 1/2 pot) will give you the same results when he doesnt have a hand, and I think the chance of getting bluffed is a lot less.

I think you will show a profit by betting less due to the following situations:

- You bet 31, he raise, you decide to fold, and "saved" yourself 20$.
- You bet 31. I dont think he will ever min-raise now, as he will have 300 left on turn in a 201 pot, giving you too good inplied odds, if you had a set or two-pair hand. So instead of a min-raise he have to raise higher, which in some way have to lower the risk of him doing it as a bluff because he is getting a worse price, as he has to risk more to win less.

Disadvatages for betting smaller, is if the opponents start bluffing more, as I dont think due to my assumptions above.

Note that we obviously have to bet the same amount when we do have the flush to avoid being exploited. This will make it harder to stack-off opponents calling with a lower flush. But the majority of the time, we wont have a flush on a monotome board. (as no one else will, which makes betting a profitable play.)

Conclusion is that when you always bet these boards IP (as I do myself as well) your giving yourself a better price on your bluff, by lowering the bet-size.

Any comments on my thoughts?

*Edit: I see you talk a little about this in the hand at 0.26.30. Though ist's a different board texture, and the hands he can raise for value or as a semi bluff is a lot wider.

Posted almost 3 years ago

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Avatar read 4 the win... love it hehe



I think this is a classic case of bad avatar reading. a walter sobchak avatar paired with a funny name like broseph reveals a carefree, happy go lucky, and inspired character.

Posted almost 3 years ago

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Time Link to 00:03:07

ever watch big lebowski Poke Tongue
"Donny your out of your element!, your like a child walking in to a movie and wondering whats happened"

"He peed on the dude's rug?"

"i'm talking about drawing a line in the sand, its about unchecked aggression here!"

Posted over 2 years ago

roggles

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Why at 5:20 does broseph need to 3bet you 25 % in order for you to 4bet KKxx with 100 bbs? They are way ahead of his range even if he only 3bets 15 %. How does the required percentage change if the kings are good?

Posted over 2 years ago

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Around minute 47.... you bought that guy a burger!

Posted 3 months ago



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