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Full Ring Binder: Episode Eight

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Full Ring Binder: Episode Eight by RapidEvolution

RapidEvolution and his student talk about hand histories, how to post them, how to get the most out of your personal reviews as well.

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RapidEvolution’s Full Ring Binder covers everything from the Fundamental Theorem of Poker to pot odds and postflop play.

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  • Stakes: Micro/Small Stakes
  • 108 minutes long
  • Posted over 1 year ago

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RapidEvolution

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I know this video is a lot longer than the other ones, but I felt that there was material left to cover on posting hands, getting the most out of sweats, and doing HH reviews. The hands themselves were very interesting (thank you QuadDeuces!) and it was the first time I had looked at them. (I spend a lot of time preparing these videos, but when it comes to sweats/HH reviews, I feel that recording my first look gives the videos a more organic feel). I hope you guys enjoy!! Smile

Posted over 1 year ago

Acombfosho

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do you think this series would be good for 6max games aswell? Which episodes carry over into 6max?

Posted over 1 year ago

QuadDeuces

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Wow! I really enjoyed this video. RE, you are really good at HH reviews!

Without pokerstove I never would have guessed the 89 flopped strt was either a flip or a dog. When I played the hand I figured AK would have been more likely to 3B pre but when Villain called the shove I thought I'd be shown AK. Later, in PokerStove I was shocked to see how badly the flopped straight was doing against his range (including his actual hand).

Posted over 1 year ago

zenben

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Time Link to 00:49:20

Just a small correction re. the discussion on AF at this spot

-Aggression FACTOR is actually calculated by (# of bets + # of raises) / # of calls. In other words, neither folding NOR checking effect the stat. Since it's a ratio, betting and raising increase it, while calling decreases it.
-Aggression frequency, on the other hand, is the comparison of aggressive actions made (bets/raises) to passive actions (calls/checks), represented as a percentage of the aggressive actions overall. Folding does not directly influence either of the stats, though RE is correct that players who make better folds rather than loose calls will indeed have HIGHER aggression factors.

As an example, if on the first hand at a table, you bet the flop, bet the turn, then check/fold the river, your aggression frequency is 66% (2 aggro: 1 passive). Your AF would not take the check into account, and thus would be infinite (as you can't divide by 0).
However, if you bet the flop, bet the turn, and check/CALL the river, your aggression frequency changes to 2 (2bets/1 call) while your agg frequency becomes 50% (2 aggressive actions over 4 total actions).

Here's the source for this:
http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questions/95/Stat+Definitions#answer

It's important to note that bets and raises are treated as equal to one another by both stats, so a relatively "aggressive" opponent could be someone who raises a lot AND/OR bets a lot.

If you don't mention it later in the vid, it's also important for people to recognize that the Aggr. factor stat turns out to be a function of VPIP, in that a tighter player will typically have a higher agg factor than a looser player simply because he is tight. As a result, when you have a loose player and a tight player who have the same A. factor, the LOOSER player is actually playing MORE AGGRESSIVELY. You can't simply compare players aggression factors to each other to determine who is more aggressive-you must factor in their relative VPIP's.

Aggression FREQUENCY changes independently of VPIP, however, so a loose and tight player with identical aggression frequencies are making the identical PERCENTAGE of aggressive actions overall.

Posted over 1 year ago

RapidEvolution

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do you think this series would be good for 6max games aswell? Which episodes carry over into 6max?



I definitely think that this series has a lot to offer players in all types of poker. While I've used full-ring NLHE as the platform, each episode has information that works across the board. A few of these are

- The Fundamental Theorem of Poker


- The Advantages we can have over our opponent (Position, Skill, Cards) (Position gets a bit funkier when we look at games like Stud where position changes)

- Observing opponents, ascertaining the most likely type of mistake they will make and then inducing it.

I could go on, but the point is that much of the fundamental content can be used in other games. The main differences, IMO, will have to do with preflop and postflop ranges, and the overall aggression in the games.

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RapidEvolution

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Just a small correction re. the discussion on AF at this spot

-Aggression FACTOR is actually calculated by (# of bets + # of raises) / # of calls. In other words, neither folding NOR checking effect the stat. Since it's a ratio, betting and raising increase it, while calling decreases it.
-Aggression frequency, on the other hand, is the comparison of aggressive actions made (bets/raises) to passive actions (calls/checks), represented as a percentage of the aggressive actions overall. Folding does not directly influence either of the stats, though RE is correct that players who make better folds rather than loose calls will indeed have HIGHER aggression factors.

As an example, if on the first hand at a table, you bet the flop, bet the turn, then check/fold the river, your aggression frequency is 66% (2 aggro: 1 passive). Your AF would not take the check into account, and thus would be infinite (as you can't divide by 0).
However, if you bet the flop, bet the turn, and check/CALL the river, your aggression frequency changes to 2 (2bets/1 call) while your agg frequency becomes 50% (2 aggressive actions over 4 total actions).

Here's the source for this:
http://faq.holdemmanager.com/questions/95/Stat+Definitions#answer

It's important to note that bets and raises are treated as equal to one another by both stats, so a relatively "aggressive" opponent could be someone who raises a lot AND/OR bets a lot.

If you don't mention it later in the vid, it's also important for people to recognize that the Aggr. factor stat turns out to be a function of VPIP, in that a tighter player will typically have a higher agg factor than a looser player simply because he is tight. As a result, when you have a loose player and a tight player who have the same A. factor, the LOOSER player is actually playing MORE AGGRESSIVELY. You can't simply compare players aggression factors to each other to determine who is more aggressive-you must factor in their relative VPIP's.

Aggression FREQUENCY changes independently of VPIP, however, so a loose and tight player with identical aggression frequencies are making the identical PERCENTAGE of aggressive actions overall.



Excellent contribution as always, zenben. (especially the example) Smile With regards to the relationship between AF and VPIP, I've been under the assumption that the relationship existed mainly as a function of range strength. For example, a player who is running 22/18 will find themselves in more marginal positions (either because of decreased FE postflop vs observant opponents or because of an increased likelihood of having a hand like middle pair decent kicker) and thus be in more spots where taking a passive line will be more appropriate. On the other hand, someone who is running 11/9 will have a stronger range in general, and will be aiming to build more big pots. Furthermore, an opponent is likely to have a much stronger range for playing aggressively vs the tighter player and as such, the tighter player might be more apt to fold vs aggression.

Posted over 1 year ago

zenben

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Furthermore, an opponent is likely to have a much stronger range for playing aggressively vs the tighter player and as such, the tighter player might be more apt to fold vs aggression.



This I had not thought of, but it makes perfect sense. I agree the reason an aggression factor of. say 1.0 is considered relatively low for a TAG and high for a LAG is because the LAG would have to play a very high percentage of his hands aggressively (betting/raising) to counter all the times he is calling with a weaker range (due to his higher VPIP) as a call lowers the AF (thus 1.0=the same number of bets/raises as calls).
However, it is possible to imagine a player type that plays in a way where AF would be less reliant on VPIP-namely something like loose preflop and fit/fold postflop who raises or ch/R's vs a cbet with any piece rather than ch/C or flat call.

For instance, a player with 40 VPIP who folds to flop cbets something like 75%, only cbets 33% and flop ch/R 15% (leaving only 10% calls) would have a much higher AF then a typical LP with 40 VPIP.

Also, DONK BETTING a wide range (especially non-polarized), then folding to raises can seriously influence the AF regardless of VPIP! I have seen some crazy (bad) LAGs who donk bet their botm/middle pair hands, and pocket pairs and then fold to raises (basically betting to "see where they are at") and their AF becomes HUGE because they are betting when most loose players ch/C.


If anyone who is new to HEM is totally confused by AF, the thing to take away from this is you can still have a tight-aggressive player and a tight-passive player (as well as loose-aggressive and loose-passive) but these terms really are RELATIVE to one and other. An AGGRESSIVE player isn't someone who has an AF of x+ or something. This is what I found confusing when I first starting using HEM (and a big reason why I now use aggression frequency).

Posted over 1 year ago

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Time Link to 01:32:58

Would you ever consider calling flop to see a blank turn and then shoving? If there are 21 "outs" to a safe turn (all the non-spade small cards 2 through 8) then we have around 42% to see a safe card and then we get it in with 55% equity against 99+,AJs+,AK, plus fold equity if he whiffs. It's also very close because we call $7.50 on the flop into a pot of $18, that's 41.6% pot odds. So calling here is less variance and we have a clearly +EV decision to shove a safe turn or fold if a gross card comes.

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RapidEvolution

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Would you ever consider calling flop to see a blank turn and then shoving? If there are 21 "outs" to a safe turn (all the non-spade small cards 2 through 8) then we have around 42% to see a safe card and then we get it in with 55% equity against 99+,AJs+,AK, plus fold equity if he whiffs. It's also very close because we call $7.50 on the flop into a pot of $18, that's 41.6% pot odds. So calling here is less variance and we have a clearly +EV decision to shove a safe turn or fold if a gross card comes.



I would disagree that we have a clearly +EV situation by shoving a blank turn, because we'd need to overbet shove and because our equity against a range of TT-QQ/AK (even on a blank turn) is only 28.5%. Add in AsJs and it goes up to 30%. It isn't until we start adding unlikely preflop scenarios (like the villain flats preflop with KK+) that we get into a break-even to slightly +EV shove spot. I'd also add that I wouldn't consider an 8 as a blank card from our villain's perspective. I think than an 8 would cause sets to seriously slow down and possibly even fold, depending on our bet-sizing. In fact, I think that betting an 8 would be extremely thin against this opponent and if we were to make a normal-sized bet (given that a shove would be an overbet) on an 8 and get shipped on, it'd only be a thin call.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

14,784 games 0.005 secs 2,956,800 games/sec

Board: Qs Ts Jd 8h
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 30.841% 24.48% 06.36% 3619 940.50 { 98s, 98o }
Hand 1: 69.159% 62.80% 06.36% 9284 940.50 { QQ-99, AKs, AKo }

Posted over 1 year ago

Poker Student

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Time Link to 00:17:48

I'd be open for some sweats. If anyone wants to. I play 10NL FR.

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Poker Student

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Time Link to 00:23:51

What's a good number to have for WSD? Just want to know where I stand in my play.

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Poker Student

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Time Link to 00:32:17

Wouldn't it be better to have SC instead of runners? Also as far as over limping isn't a 2 way pot kind of a thin spot to be limp in? When calling the raise preflop after limping are you looking at the pot odds or just the players? If you are looking at the pot odds what odds are we looking for?

Posted over 1 year ago

Poker Student

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Time Link to 00:36:31

47-3=44/3=14.67
14.67-3.58=11.09
11.09(6.00)=66.54

We need to make $66.54

Posted over 1 year ago

Tovergieter

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Time Link to 00:06:37

lol

I think this was me at a NL10 table a while ago.Cinemaqueen right Wink

At least still enjoy the series Grin

Posted over 1 year ago

mastermind_mx

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New to the site and just watched this whole series. It was VERY helpful.

I loved the hand history review and I would be happy to see more videos like this. It's more helpful to me to see a single hand with a thoughtful discussion than trying to watch 4-6 tables at one time.

Thanks.

Posted over 1 year ago

RapidEvolution

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New to the site and just watched this whole series. It was VERY helpful.

I loved the hand history review and I would be happy to see more videos like this. It's more helpful to me to see a single hand with a thoughtful discussion than trying to watch 4-6 tables at one time.

Thanks.



HH reviews are an AMAZING tool for any poker player. It gives players good practice in creating ranges, getting a feel for players, and ultimately working through your own poker thought process. There are so may times I work with students and they look at a hand they played...and they're like "WTF was I thinking here?". I think that when players become aware of the disparity between their at-table thinking and their away-from-table thinking, both of those types of thinking improve.

Posted over 1 year ago

timbo300

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Time Link to 01:05:48

Just wanted to point that the 9 hearts will give you absolute nuts, so against AK hearts, you still have 7 clean outs.

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Time Link to 01:13:59

Just wondering about your raise size that you mention, if you raising small here and larger with your premiums, then observent players can pick up on this and try to take the pot away with more frequent 3 bets. Wouldn't it be better to stick to your standard raise size?

Posted over 1 year ago

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Time Link to 01:20:50

Wondering if when you call here and then the river pairs the board, you still calling his shove or would you "spew fold". Fold if player is passive on river and call aggro on river?

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timbo300

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Wonderful series, I have learnt alot from this, don't worry about the length of this video, it has alot of great information. Ty.

Posted over 1 year ago

RapidEvolution

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Just wondering about your raise size that you mention, if you raising small here and larger with your premiums, then observent players can pick up on this and try to take the pot away with more frequent 3 bets. Wouldn't it be better to stick to your standard raise size?



It's an issue weighing the risks and the rewards. For the most part, I think players will just see that you're isolating two players and assume you have something strong. Aside from that, there's always the issue that they could make a light 3bet and wind up in a gross spot, or get 4bet by me. Grin Even for the most observant reg, it'd take a hell of a lot of time to get enough of a sample to know I might be doing this with a non-premium.

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RapidEvolution

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Wondering if when you call here and then the river pairs the board, you still calling his shove or would you "spew fold". Fold if player is passive on river and call aggro on river?



Depends entirely on the villain, to be honest. In retrospect, I disagree with my statement here about calling>>>shipping it in. Villain's range is weighted heavily towards AK and sets, and to be honest, I don't think he's going to take this line with AK very often (and if he does, he's not taking this specific line to fold to a shove). As such, we should just stick it in now (meaning on the turn) to maximize value vs sets and AK. I'm glad you enjoyed the series!! Smile

Posted over 1 year ago

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This is one of the best training series for beginner.Great poker fundamentals that most player don't know.I had similar situation like with 89s,it just was a 3bet pot,and I could not lay down set of JJ.As you said in one of the videos,you must lose less and win more,so sometimes its better to lose those 10-15bb,then put yourself in situation where you're putting your full stack in danger. When I play, now I always keep in mind and ask my self,why,how,and players becomes transparent. I have watched some other couches do some sweats,but when you see them play 4 tables and recording live,its hard to understand everything,plus they don't have much time to express all the details why did such things,we rarely see the hud(too small). It would nice of you to do one more video HH review of your student,so we could see the hud,how could we exploit our opponent in this situation. Very nice job,best regards. Five stars,sorry 6th was missing Wink

Posted over 1 year ago

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Time Link to 00:56:00

how about a 10-12$ raise on the turn to force him to go all in or fold when we have 14 outs(51.2% equity)

Posted about 1 year ago

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Time Link to 01:30:47

I think folding here is a huge mistake since he is not going to coldcall with 4% of the top of his range(99+,AQs+,AK)assuming he s a good TAG but 4% of his bottom range(77-JJ,ATo-AJo,A9s,KQ,QTs+).That s give us 76% equity.I don t think he s going to coldcall QQ+,AK(VPIP11,PFR7).I m just starting to learn NL so if I m wrong just give the reasons so I can learn something.Great series,love every second of it!!!

Posted about 1 year ago

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how about a 10-12$ raise on the turn to force him to go all in or fold when we have 14 outs(51.2% equity)



There are a lot of spots where I think that's going to be the best play, but there are some factors that (in my opinion) make calling the turn a better play).

a) It's a limped pot...which means ranges are wider and intent is different. (Generally when people limp, it's with the intent of hitting a strong hand or draw and folding if they don't). With this many people in the pot, I don't hate a flop fold, but with the backdoors and TP, calling is fine. If we hadn't picked up equity on the turn, I think the turn is an easy fold.

b) There really aren't any reasonable worse hands that villain can call with. We lose to J9+, sets, two pairs, etc and the flush draw just came in now (so aside from TQ or T8 he doesn't really have draws in his range (and those would be the bulk of the hands that call a turn shove that we have an equity edge over).

c) We do have showdown value Smile

d) There are a lot of live players behind us and we're on a draw. Calling lets the weaker draws come along when they might've folded had we raised and given that we have TP, we want those hands to come in. Smile

Posted 11 months ago

RapidEvolution

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I think folding here is a huge mistake since he is not going to coldcall with 4% of the top of his range(99+,AQs+,AK)assuming he s a good TAG but 4% of his bottom range(77-JJ,ATo-AJo,A9s,KQ,QTs+).That s give us 76% equity.I don t think he s going to coldcall QQ+,AK(VPIP11,PFR7).I m just starting to learn NL so if I m wrong just give the reasons so I can learn something.Great series,love every second of it!!!



Thanks!! Smile This range that you have for villain's initial cold-calling range OOP is a bit loose, imo. I think that QTs, A9s, ATo, are just going to be folds for this guy. (Remember that for most players, their range for calling OOP is tighter than calling IP, and if this guy was calling these kinds of hands he'd be running a lot loose than 11/7.

Also, while some of those hands ARE in his cold-calling range, we have to assume that he's just going to call the flop with those hands some of the time. As I said in the video, I think it's a very thin spot, as as it turned out, we were in one of the best cases we could hope for, and it was STILL very close. At the table, I'd get in here, no sweat and just call it a cooler if he had AK or sucked out on me, but I also know that if I thought it'd tilt me, I'd end the session otherwise (and most of the time, I'd happily get in and think nothing of losing the stack).

If a student showed me this hand and had folded on the flop, I'd probably initially be upset, weird out the ranges, talk to the student, and if they told me that they had to play a long session and they thought losing this pot would tilt them, I'd say it was a good decision (provided folding didn't make them tilt also!) lol.

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