Poker Video: No Limit Hold'Em by inavacuum (Micro/Small Stakes)

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Hey guys,

There were some problems with the recording of this episode (that were entirely my fault). The future episodes will be longer.

Inavacuum,

45 minutes of, great street by street break downs and a good idea of what our thought process should be, is by far better than nothing at all!

I love this series and am excited to see it back in rotation, I was worried that it was just 2 and done, but thankfully your back. Excited to see more!!

Great work!! Thank you, Inavacuum

Time Link to 00:35:10

On the 65s hand your reasoning seems flawed.

You say that in theory when he check/shoves we are more likely to fold then if he CR a reasonable amount. And then you go on to say that since he made it a reasonable amount his his range is weaker? I either misunderstod something or something got left out. Either way it's irrelevant since most people dont have a check/shove range here to begin with. So until we have seen him check/shove, the fact that he does NOT do it now means nothing.

Then you say that he might assume this board is a good board to CR against your C-bet. Which is true against a thinking player. But we already said preflop that this guy was an aggresive lag, and he called our 3B oop. Most 100nl lags just wont get out of line on wet boards in a 3B pot in my experience. And he could play his entire range of sets, 2p and draws this way. And at the same time we dont know if he folds anything but his bluffs. So we basically go from knowing nothing but the fact that hes an aggresive lag to assume that he either CR bluff alot or folds a good part of his non-bluffing range here.

Also if we expect him to be aggresive clearly there is merit to checking. It might not be the correct choice but saying that theres no point to it is simply false.

On the two dry flops where we get CR:ed and decide they rep nothing i wont go into detail. But also there i have to disagree with your advice to not do it ourself. There are definitly players against whom its profitable to CR flops where we rep a very polarized range. Just the fact that you decide to call down two streets with T-high proves that.

I really hope the above doesnt come across as offensive because thats no my intent. I definitly think the hands you showed might have been correctly played. I just dont think the reads and assumptions you stated lead to that conclusion.

On the 65s hand your reasoning seems flawed.

You say that in theory when he check/shoves we are more likely to fold then if he CR a reasonable amount. And then you go on to say that since he made it a reasonable amount his his range is weaker? I either misunderstod something or something got left out. Either way it's irrelevant since most people dont have a check/shove range here to begin with. So until we have seen him check/shove, the fact that he does NOT do it now means nothing.

This may be a factor of simply playing on different sites but I see bad regs at SS c/shoving here ALL the time. So much so, that I expect some random bad LAG to do it almost by default when he has a hand like AQ that he doesn't know what to do with. The fact that he didn't do this means he isn't as terrible as may be first thought, but it does mean we have more FE seeing as we always have 0 when he shoves.

There is merit to thinking about checking in certain circumstances, you are correct. In that particular instance I do not prefer that line.

On the two dry flops where we get CR:ed and decide they rep nothing i wont go into detail. But also there i have to disagree with your advice to not do it ourself. There are definitly players against whom its profitable to CR flops where we rep a very polarized range. Just the fact that you decide to call down two streets with T-high proves that.

The first dry flop is a little different to the other dry flop. They are both dry, but the paired flop I view as a different in that it's the type of flop that certain types of players love to attack with incredibly high frequency. I'm talking about J 5 5, as here, or Q 3 3, K 4 4, whatever. From my experience, which is a couple of million hands, bad regs and fish will c/r bluff those flops even more than a flop as dry as K 7 2r. So although the other flop is dry it's not so dry that I know he's going to fold if I just reraise bluff right there. In this case Hero's hand also has much more chance to improve - and we earn more money than just taking it down earlier. When I say to stop doing it if you're doing it I am refering to check raising the J 5 5 type flops with air. For clarification I will say that we should never rule out a line entirely at all. When I say stop doing it I mean stop just automatically doing it at every opportunity, especially vs more thinking players against whom it just won't work.

I really hope the above doesnt come across as offensive because thats no my intent. I definitly think the hands you showed might have been correctly played. I just dont think the reads and assumptions you stated lead to that conclusion.

Don't worry about offending me because it's not going to happen. Thanks for your input.

Regarding the 56s hand that Keruben was talking about, I was wondering why this is a 3bet pre-flop?

My (rather limited) reasoning for not 3-betting this hand would be that its value is mainly post-flop with the ability to make big hands and semi-bluff, so if we 3bet we are leaving less room post flop with stack sizes to semi-bluff etc. Your read is he is an aggro lag, so we can't expect to have much fold equity pre-flop either, so we are raising for value with 6 high?

What am i missing ?

Really glad this series was continued, very enjoyable, thanks.

Time Link to 00:05:00

Is there not some merit to a c/r for protection here, since e.g. AK has 26% equity at this point?

Is there not some merit to a c/r for protection here, since e.g. AK has 26% equity at this point?

The problem with that is that it becomes very difficult for more money to go in with us holding the best hand after we c/r. For example, lets say we are in villain's spot and we hold AA and get check-raised on this flop. We should be very unhappy. In effect we're getting close to turning our hand into a bluff if we c/r when we factor in how the hand plays out from that point on if our opponent does not fold. This is my starting point for relative unknowns. If I have the kind of dynamic where I can c/r this flop profitably with villain it's extremely unlikely I would have just flat preflop in the first place.

Regarding the 56s hand that Keruben was talking about, I was wondering why this is a 3bet pre-flop?

My (rather limited) reasoning for not 3-betting this hand would be that its value is mainly post-flop with the ability to make big hands and semi-bluff, so if we 3bet we are leaving less room post flop with stack sizes to semi-bluff etc. Your read is he is an aggro lag, so we can't expect to have much fold equity pre-flop either, so we are raising for value with 6 high?

What am i missing ?

Really glad this series was continued, very enjoyable, thanks.

The 3bet can be up for debate, I will answer your question but I'm not going to have a separate debate on 3betting ranges as we don't really have the scope (nor do I have the desire) for that in this thread suffice to say that 3betting this type of hand from this position when certain factors are green is a big part of my game and one I have a lot of success with.

I want to be able to have a wide 3betting range vs early positions as well as late positions. If I am 3betting someone who is in an earlier position it's less likely they will 4bet bluff, so I can 3bet more hands that I can't 5bet shove with often (although we can still shove a hand like 65s we'd obviously rather shove a pair or suited Ax). This leaves villain the option of folding a ton or calling. If they do call the range they call with is often going to be hands that 65s is doing well against (we're not 3betting it to hit TP), and even when it misses the flop we still have a huge advantage with initiative and position.

Time Link to 00:17:32

he can also have Q9 here

Time Link to 00:11:50

Why play a bluff like this when presumably you wouldn't play a made hand like this?

Excellent video btw.

Ya, I definitely thought Q9 was a possibility there as well.

Why play a bluff like this when presumably you wouldn't play a made hand like this?

Excellent video btw.

I would play a made hand that way vs some people who will play back when I rep a re-bluff. See episode one for an example.

The reason it works as bluff is that we're choosing to expose an exploitable play with an exploitable play of our own that this type of villain will close to never play back against which is preferable when our hand is so vulnerable to their air.

he can also have Q9 here

Yes he can.

42:40

On this hand if we river an 8 or 10 do we just check behind and make a not on what he plays this way?

Thanks and great series

Time Link to 00:40:20

Included the time line for my previous question - Thanks

I like this series a lot. I can't wait for the next one, when disaster strikes. I'm thinking maybe you secretly recorded some of my sessions. I can't tell you how many hands in this series look like hands I've played except they constantly show up with the hands you don't expect them to have.

42:40

On this hand if we river an 8 or 10 do we just check behind and make a not on what he plays this way?

That's what I'd do in that spot, yes.

Couple of questions on your double float with ten high.

Does this rely on you having had showdown information that he would not empty the clip with air?

Also - how much weight in your decision to double float is based upon the composition of his 3bet OOP range?
If villian was capable of c/r bluffing on an unknown no. of streets AND he would always 3-bet for value PF AK and 3bet for thin value KQ and KJ vs your loose opening range - would this alter your capacity to float vs his flop c/r range?
Alternatively - if he was quite passive PF OOP but very aggressive post-flop so all his AK KQ and KJ would c/r for value the flop and lead the turn but sometimes go for 3 sts and sometimes bluff catch - would this alter your float plan and why?
Also - Hero is a floater and you think it is likely that he has seen you float in similiar spots would this make you more inclined to bet/3-bet flop as a bluff rather than float.

Finally

Alter the board where the top rank is not the flush particpating rank.
i.e. K75 Turn 2
Does this alter your equity?
If the river came K
with your read of spazzey/100NL lag - would you bluff catch 10xhh if he shoved when as you said he never expects you to fold?

Does this rely on you having had showdown information that he would not empty the clip with air?

It doesn't rely on it. It does help. I'll generally assume that most NL100 regs will not fire all 3 until I know otherwise. This could be revised for Stars/FT where much of the play is a little ahead of the Euro sites for each relative stake, but it's very close.

Also - how much weight in your decision to double float is based upon the composition of his 3bet OOP range?
If villian was capable of c/r bluffing on an unknown no. of streets AND he would always 3-bet for value PF AK and 3bet for thin value KQ and KJ vs your loose opening range - would this alter your capacity to float vs his flop c/r range?

Obviously this scenario makes us more likely to float a c/r that doesn't make sense.

Alternatively - if he was quite passive PF OOP but very aggressive post-flop so all his AK KQ and KJ would c/r for value the flop and lead the turn but sometimes go for 3 sts and sometimes bluff catch - would this alter your float plan and why?

In this scenario we should be less likely to float/bluff catch, but we'd have to have some specific reads that this is how villain plays.

Also - Hero is a floater and you think it is likely that he has seen you float in similiar spots would this make you more inclined to bet/3-bet flop as a bluff rather than float.

It would make me more likely to fold and just slowplay my big hands instead by bet/calling his flop c/r. If we think villain is going to exploit us by making very thin check-raises we can just check back the flop with our entire range.

Finally

Alter the board where the top rank is not the flush particpating rank.
i.e. K75 Turn 2
Does this alter your equity?
If the river came K
with your read of spazzey/100NL lag - would you bluff catch 10xhh if he shoved when as you said he never expects you to fold?

It may well alter our literal equity but nowhere near enough to change how we view the hand. If we river a flush on a K that pairs the board we of course have to call the river shove, it just means that it's extremely likely that he has Kx he's shoving for value. He doesn't have K7, K5 or K2 so that's fine.

Good series...like that you put an nl25 player in nl100 spots, hear there thoughts, and explaining yours...good stuff.

Time Link to 00:06:32

Hi inavacuum

I got some questions about him 3 barreling and our line:

When we c/c the flop we don't really have Ax, so when we c/c the turn he should know we dont have an Ace unless we hit 2pair but we actually fold A5s-A7s pre I guess.

I assume c/raising A8s (if we call pre)on the flop or leading wud be best so we can't really have that, in general we dont hv a draw when we c/c and a set we had raised although c/calling a set would be kind of interesting here...anyway, so our hand is face up

Given all that when we c/c the turn I feel we have to c/c river? Or do you think we can fold if he bets the river? Btw I mean a non 4 str8 river, where he would still bet Ax, and a bluff would make sense as well.

Also I think not many people cbet air on 567r when somebody calls oop because that hits their range as we all know.

So what do you do vs a 3barrel? Or do you just fold the turn on A or K when you know villain likes to barrel but also will vbet if he has it?

Hi inavacuum

I got some questions about him 3 barreling and our line:

When we c/c the flop we don't really have Ax, so when we c/c the turn he should know we dont have an Ace unless we hit 2pair but we actually fold A5s-A7s pre I guess.

I assume c/raising A8s (if we call pre)on the flop or leading wud be best so we can't really have that, in general we dont hv a draw when we c/c and a set we had raised although c/calling a set would be kind of interesting here...anyway, so our hand is face up

Given all that when we c/c the turn I feel we have to c/c river? Or do you think we can fold if he bets the river? Btw I mean a non 4 str8 river, where he would still bet Ax, and a bluff would make sense as well.

Also I think not many people cbet air on 567r when somebody calls oop because that hits their range as we all know.

So what do you do vs a 3barrel? Or do you just fold the turn on A or K when you know villain likes to barrel but also will vbet if he has it?

We can have A5-A7s here but I'd like some reads to exploit first. The fact that he thinks we don't have much Ax is added incentive for him to bet again. It's also a good spot for him to bet the river. The thing is, many many regs at NL100 just won't do it. They have a single, or more often, double barrel strategy and don't fire the third one even when they can do so profitably which leaves them never bluffing when they do bet the river. I would like some more information before I assume he will automatically fire 3 here. I do not think it matters at all that our hand is face up because he's sticking to his gameplan and not changing it as far as we know. Villain shouldn't really be cbetting this flop but a huge number of SS regs do it anyway and then give up on the river (or turn if it's a bad card), as evidenced here. When I see more regs/relative unknowns taking a more profitable line I would start calling 3 barrels by default rather than 2 in this spot as I would do in a higher stake game.

I think jamming over the c/r is spew in the 65s hand. It's total disaster to get it in vs a flush draw. If you think he's bluffing, we can take away the pot on a later street so I think best plan is to call on the flop. Can you explain more why jamming is better play?

Time Link to 00:18:33

Time link doesn't seem to work... I was talking about the hand around minute 18.

What happens if the river wasn't a blank but like a 8 or a 8 ?
Do you still go for the check/call no matter what?

Or if I state the question a bit different, which card would make you check/fold the river?

Re: Double Float.

How much of this involves your table image?

Say we were playing a similiar player but now its not inavacuum
its a tight 18/16 TAG who is opening UTG rather than MP.
Now assume its 108s but it can easily just be QJs or JTs....or whatever makes sense for that player to have in his UTG range.

Do you think that given PF positional protection and a far tighter perceived range - that this would alter Spazz LAGs c/r flop lead turn range to make double floating unprofitable?
i.e. He might not 3bet PF AK vs us in this instance - thus his range for c/r flop is now 12 combos of AK as well as the 3 combos of 55,77s - with the unknown number of air bluffs?

Also is there any turn river combo that would disincline you to shove without picking up marginal showdown value with a pair of tens or eights.

EG K57 Rainbow turn 6 river 3 completing a bdfd or K57QJ no flush.

Finally
As played - How would you breakdown villians range to do this? Clearly its polarised
i.e. What is the bottom of his c/r for value lead turn shove river?
also
What is the best hand villian would use as a bluff in this spot?

Sorry I rewatched - you suggest he would never c/r flops with sets.

Can you expand on just why you think that is optimal for him?

If he has a spazzLAG image and he is repping a narrow range - when he has that range doesnt he just turn your whole range into bluff catchers? If he does attack dry boards constantly.

Time link doesn't seem to work... I was talking about the hand around minute 18.

What happens if the river wasn't a blank but like a 8 or a 8 ?
Do you still go for the check/call no matter what?

Or if I state the question a bit different, which card would make you check/fold the river?

We're are not as happy but it doesn't change our action. It would be pretty good for him for float the flop and raise the turn with his flop FDs some of the time, but with this dynamic and on this board it doesn't make much sense, and then there's the fact thart people at micro just don't really do that, we shouldn't be worried about s. s are more of a concern but again I expect him to just call the turn with those FDs most of the time when a raise doesn't rep anything other than air/draw/Q9. If we say that villain is kinda spazy and doesn't mind that he's not repping anything then that just makes his air range wider and allow us to call more often even on a river.

I think jamming over the c/r is spew in the 65s hand. It's total disaster to get it in vs a flush draw. If you think he's bluffing, we can take away the pot on a later street so I think best plan is to call on the flop. Can you explain more why jamming is better play?

The problem with calling because he might have a FD is that a flush is something I'd like to rep if it came in so it doesn't really change anything vs his range of FDs. Perhaps if we called and bet/folded turn we'd save a miniscule amount some % of the time, given that the pot would be huge at that point, but it's not actually saving you much when you give up the extra FE, realise we have 6 high, and allow him to improve. More often I expect villain to c/r here with hands that our hand is extremely vulnerable against but that can't call a shove (in that he can improve to the relative nuts easily, even though he doesn't know that). Seeing any broadway on the turn when we call would be a disaster.

Re: Double Float.

How much of this involves your table image?

Say we were playing a similiar player but now its not inavacuum
its a tight 18/16 TAG who is opening UTG rather than MP.
Now assume its 108s but it can easily just be QJs or JTs....or whatever makes sense for that player to have in his UTG range.

Do you think that given PF positional protection and a far tighter perceived range - that this would alter Spazz LAGs c/r flop lead turn range to make double floating unprofitable?
i.e. He might not 3bet PF AK vs us in this instance - thus his range for c/r flop is now 12 combos of AK as well as the 3 combos of 55,77s - with the unknown number of air bluffs?

I think it should alter his c/r range but I don't think it will. I think he sees dry K high board and thinks "hey, lets c/r!" In essence it's just a bad spot to c/r anything unless there is some kind of leveling war going on or villain is exploiting his image, neither or which were happening in the hand in question. It also makes no sense for him to call AK preflop vs a tighter player because that player is tight and then c/r a K high flop. The tight player isn't going to stack off lighter than he would otherwise.

Also is there any turn river combo that would disincline you to shove without picking up marginal showdown value with a pair of tens or eights.

EG K57 Rainbow turn 6 river 3 completing a bdfd or K57QJ no flush.

No.

Finally
As played - How would you breakdown villians range to do this? Clearly its polarised
i.e. What is the bottom of his c/r for value lead turn shove river?
also
What is the best hand villian would use as a bluff in this spot?

The best hand he has is probably some made hand he's turning into a bluff for no particular reason ("hey, it's dry K high, woohoo!") like 66 or A5s. As for the rest of his range 98s is definitely a possibility as well as total air like AT.

Sorry I rewatched - you suggest he would never c/r flops with sets.

Can you expand on just why you think that is optimal for him?

If he has a spazzLAG image and he is repping a narrow range - when he has that range doesnt he just turn your whole range into bluff catchers? If he does attack dry boards constantly.

Most of the time when he c/r a set here Hero just folds. He has no reason to believe at this stage that we are not that Hero. Calling a set is optimal to allow us to continue bluffing, value/thin value betting. I am not saying no one should ever c/r a set here because there is a time and place for that, but it's not this hand. He does make us bluff catch a lot when he c/r dry boards often -- he hasn't been attacking us in this way often up to this point, but we've seen him do it. I do not think he is fully aware of his own image.

I like this series a lot. I can't wait for the next one, when disaster strikes. I'm thinking maybe you secretly recorded some of my sessions. I can't tell you how many hands in this series look like hands I've played except they constantly show up with the hands you don't expect them to have.

Thank you for your feedback. FYI the "when it goes wrong" episode will probably be #6 or 7, if you were particularly looking forward to that.

I think in the AJ hand on A94tt a 'standard taggy' kinda player never has a value hand when they don't raise big enough on turn to shove river. So it's pretty much an insta call/call just given that information.

I think jamming over the c/r is spew in the 65s hand. It's total disaster to get it in vs a flush draw. If you think he's bluffing, we can take away the pot on a later street so I think best plan is to call on the flop. Can you explain more why jamming is better play?

I'm estimating our equity as ~30% here and by my on the fly calcs he only needs to fold like 20% for this to work.

Time Link to 00:39:47

Tim, How is 3betting this flop really any different from 3betting the J55 flop earlier BvB? In both cases they rep nothing and we rep nothing by reraising and in both cases there is nothing they can do OOP if they are bluffing. Is it simply a case of the c/r size of the villain + our perceived range (what we are actually trying to rep)? Obviously he can have all the sets here (as can we) - does that factor in to it as well? Or is floating just a more +EV line to take here because of those factors?

Tim, How is 3betting this flop really any different from 3betting the J55 flop earlier BvB? In both cases they rep nothing and we rep nothing by reraising and in both cases there is nothing they can do OOP if they are bluffing. Is it simply a case of the c/r size of the villain + our perceived range (what we are actually trying to rep)? Obviously he can have all the sets here (as can we) - does that factor in to it as well? Or is floating just a more +EV line to take here because of those factors?

Villain doesn't rep as much of a polarised range as on the J 5 5 flop as there are literally more hands he can make a bad semi bluff with, more hands he can turn into a bluff and more hands he can go for thin value with effectively (I use the word effectively in a strictly relative sense). I also tihnk this type of villain is more likely to believe we have a hand if we call in this particular spot.

Time Link to 00:37:20

but how do we know that a player thinks on that level of knowing he is going to blow me of? he might just think I have a King and will atleast pay one street or even pay him off?

You have to take an educated guess, in some cases. You get better at making the right choice the more you try.

Thank you to the author for this series. I was at the point of starting to laugh and say to myself during the 10 8 hand 'well I'd of folded and made the coffee a long time ago!' However, the approach this series takes showing the street for street analysis, putting him on a range, trying to estimate what my opponent is thinking and analyzing his betting will help my game immensely. No brainer, so thanks again inavacuum!

About the 10 8 hand at 36 mins in: If villain had c/c flop, would you barrel turn because of the equity you picked up or would you check back so as not to get raised off your equity? Although if he c/c flop and c/r turn he is only repping 55 and 77.....

If you do bet turn and he calls are you shoving the river to try and get him to fold a K? If yes are there any rivers you wouldn't bet? (I'm assuming you wouldn't bet a 5,7 or 2)

Going back to the beginning of the hand...this player reads as an fps lag. The check raise on the flop looked bluffish after the 'standard' cbet.

If I was playing this hand from the flop on in a real game I would call the turn now that a flush is possible, but if he checks, then barrel 2/3 pot hoping he doesn’t shove - fold if he does. The 2 of hearts definitely helps our cause especially if he check/calls. I can’t say if I would continue without the heart on the turn. But as it is, if he checks the river I triple hoping he folds as per video, if he bets out I fold any river card that’s not a heart and possibly but not likely 5 or 7h.

This type of hand is great when it works out. Not so great if you lose your stack. My experience playing lower limits .10/.25 to .15/.30 shows that this type of stuff happens once in a while with the lag fish or someone who’s tilting. If he flopped a set I don't see him check/raising. If he has 8 9, Kx or some other draw than I definitely could see him check/raising. I don’t often try to bluff a bluffer but occasionally I want to play back at guys like this to mix it up, to help my image and of course to win money.

About the 10 8 hand at 36 mins in: If villain had c/c flop, would you barrel turn because of the equity you picked up or would you check back so as not to get raised off your equity? Although if he c/c flop and c/r turn he is only repping 55 and 77.....

If you do bet turn and he calls are you shoving the river to try and get him to fold a K? If yes are there any rivers you wouldn't bet? (I'm assuming you wouldn't bet a 5,7 or 2)

Bump

I would bet the turn. I would bet all rivers apart from Kx and 7x. I'm not sure we get him to fold Kx, but I think he can get to the river with worse than Kx/better than T high.

Time Link to 00:34:49

in the hand where you 3 bet 56h lets you said that if villian had 10s or js and thought you might have ak he probably would have 4bet you instead of, deciding to see a flop then cr his hand when no overs hit.I dont see whats wrong with playing the hand that way,because you avoid variance where he was basically a slight fav pre flop he's now like a 4:1 fav against ak,also he gets to see what kind of bet you make on the flop,some one with over pair might bet more on a draw heavy flop like that,and half pot as a c bet when they miss,so i think he gets more info if you had the overpair or an ak type hand,If disagreed then how would you play js 10s in his spot?Thanks enjoying the series

It's important to realise that reducing variance and earning the most money are not the same thing. In most situations 4betting the JJ will return more money because you earn so much each time the 3bettor folds. When you cede the initiative OOP it makes life difficult. Most good regs will not (or should not) alter their cbet size based on the texture of the flop no matter if they have an overpair, the nuts, or a draw (unless they're playing against a fish). I would play JTs the same way as the 65s in that particular situation.

Time Link to 00:21:02

Hello,

I'm often a little unsure as to what the best play is and why, in situations such as this where I hold 2nd pair type hands as the PFR OOP. On the one hand, by betting, I realise it may be hard to get called by better, and I'm really not in love with my hand if I get raised, even though it may in fact be good. On the other, if I check I'm always worried that it turns my hand face up and may just set me up to put money in, to be barrelled off it by the river. Alternatively, should the flop be checked through, our hand can worsen relative to the board or villain can just take a free card which could improve his air hands.

Is the situation just villain dependent? Vs. a villain who likes to bluffraise flops and is aggro IP do we just have to be willing to c/call down and make some hero calls? Against a passive player who won't bluff when we check surely it will just be easier and more +EV for us to just 'capitalize on the dead money' and c-bet. We also have the potential to turn our hand into a bluff on some cards.

You mean if you held something along the lines of 87s in this spot? There are a few options. If here we had 8h7h we could bet and realise that any turn heart is a good barrel card. The other 87s are probably still in a bet in that those hands improve far less often and we'd like our opponent to fold right now - though of course we can still get value. I'd be less likely to bet something like A7/K7 as those just don't really need to bet and serve much better as bluff catchers than the weaker 7x. There's not a whole lot of turn cards that we can turn our hand into a bluff on in this particular case (Jx, Tx and spades all help our opponents range, low bricks are no good to barrel) but often this will be true and times we bet a weak 7x we can start bluffing on the turn.

Ah, OK - I'm clearer now. When I posted, I was thinking of any 7-x hand but actually I see your point about the merits of playing A7/K7 for a c/call, rather than c-betting.

Thanks for the prompt reply.

Time Link to 00:28:30

Thats confusing. in the KQs hand we just called, when in position and were likely to have the best hand even though we didn't. (which is irrelevant). Yet we 3-bet 65s in the cutoff, when against an agro. surely its better to call and hope to intice the blinds along as 65s is a hand that plays much better multiway...

Great vids by the way...

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That line is crazy, absolutely nuts. I think to do this you have to have a great read on the player. even if he has nothing like expected, there is nothing to stop him just going for it on the river, with nothing, and you cant call. Not being a 100NL player, perhaps i wouldn't know but for me this is just crazy. Very impressive when it comes off. Also, i dont see why we wouldnt shove the turn with AK. Weaker kings would have to call and if he has a set or something he is going to shove the river anyway. Unless you feel he would bluff the river, but i still would shove AK on this board.

I know im late to the thread but new to the vids.

Loving the series, inavacuum....

Thats confusing. in the KQs hand we just called, when in position and were likely to have the best hand even though we didn't. (which is irrelevant). Yet we 3-bet 65s in the cutoff, when against an agro. surely its better to call and hope to intice the blinds along as 65s is a hand that plays much better multiway...

Great vids by the way...

We're closing the action with KQs and are very likely to have the best hand - this is a great situation for us, our range is under-repped and we're guaranteed to be in position. It would also be a disaster for us if we got 4bet. I'd rather 3bet worse hands and better hands, though I have no problem 3betting this hand sometimes. I would 3bet the offsuit version more often. With 65s we want to avoid a squeeze and we want to avoid being OOP to the BTN. We also want to play with the betting lead vs villain with a hand that should do well vs his calling range, whilst our perceived range will still allow us to bluff big card boards that miss our hand.

That line is crazy, absolutely nuts. I think to do this you have to have a great read on the player. even if he has nothing like expected, there is nothing to stop him just going for it on the river, with nothing, and you cant call. Not being a 100NL player, perhaps i wouldn't know but for me this is just crazy. Very impressive when it comes off. Also, i dont see why we wouldnt shove the turn with AK. Weaker kings would have to call and if he has a set or something he is going to shove the river anyway. Unless you feel he would bluff the river, but i still would shove AK on this board.

I know im late to the thread but new to the vids.

Loving the series, inavacuum....

It's certainly possible to get looked up by weaker Kx via shoving the turn, but I would expect better players to be able to find a fold there with most TP hands. If we have history that suggests he thinks we're going to shove a wide range of semi-bluffs on the turn then I'd actually like to shove strong made hands to get called by his Kx, but typically I expect players to fold. Yes, he will bomb the river sometimes, but if we consider that a good % of the time he's not going to and we can bluff+20% of the time we improve then I think it's the most profitable line overall. I don't remember if I mention this in-video but it also helps that the only missed draws we should have are backdoors, the flop straight draw comes in and we hold the 8x part of it.

It's certainly possible to get looked up by weaker Kx via shoving the turn, but I would expect better players to be able to find a fold there with most TP hands. If we have history that suggests he thinks we're going to shove a wide range of semi-bluffs on the turn then I'd actually like to shove strong made hands to get called by his Kx, but typically I expect players to fold. Yes, he will bomb the river sometimes, but if we consider that a good % of the time he's not going to and we can bluff+20% of the time we improve then I think it's the most profitable line overall. I don't remember if I mention this in-video but it also helps that the only missed draws we should have are backdoors, the flop straight draw comes in and we hold the 8x part of it.

Thanks for the quick reply. and the explanation, dont mean to sound a pain, i just was confused by a few things...
thanks a lot.

Wow this series really opened my eyes for cash games, bc i am a creative individual by nature, and i was stuck playing the ABC game, sensing that there must be something else to it, even in the lower stakes.Great series Inavacuum, hats off to you.